DaveTN

What is this county coming to?

Yes, it’s a felony to file a false Police report. However, DA’s are generally not quick to file that charge in a complaint against a Police Officer because (as you can see here) of the way it appears. If there is good evidence (Witnesses or video) that he is lying or embellishing what happened; it will probably end up in civil court with the Officers suing him. “Preponderance of the evidence†trumps “Beyond reasonable doubt†any day. If that becomes the case, not naming the Officers involved will help him; not the Officers.

It will create thousands of new jobs and billions of dollars going to testing companies and suppliers with the taxpayers footing the bills. After the first year I would like to see a comparison of the dollars saved by rejection of benefits vs. the wages, supplies, and building costs, etc, of funding it. I would rather see the money spent to build more jails and prisons to keep criminals contained than testing people where there is no PC or RAS of a crime. Florida is going to need both. Not only are they going to need to fund this project, but they are going to have a rise in crime against innocent citizens and need more cops and jails. When will they start this, so we can see the first wave roll into Tennessee?

Sorry, that isn’t how it works. We try to make judgments based on fact. Are you saying you didn’t do or say what you were accused of? Goes to credibility.

I can’t find a definitive answer on when a Grand Jury is required in the state of Tennessee. State laws differ. When I was in Illinois a Grand Jury wasn’t required. It was a tool usually used by the States Attorney in high profile cases or as an investigative tool to see what witnesses would say under oath. I’ve seen it implied here that it is required in Tennessee. Can someone fill me in, maybe with a verifiable source?

What facts? You don’t have the facts; I’ve been waiting to hear the other side of the story let alone the facts. If he jumped out first; these cops walk on criminal charges. No deadly force was used so it’s not going to turn into an argument about the use of deadly force. If some dirt bag jumped out on you and you showed him a gun and he backed off and left; we aren’t going to have a conversation about whether you were in fear of your life or not. We are going to have a conversation on whether or not you were a willing participant involved in escalating the situation, and whether or not you committed an assault while using or displaying a deadly weapon (Aggravated Assault). I have a mile wide leeway for the displaying of anything that ends an assault, if it is not deployed. As I said in post #189, I only have two questions: Who jumped out first, and if a gun was pulled did the Officers report it. If he jumped out of his truck first at that light, approached that vehicle, and found himself starring down the barrel of a gun; boo freaking who. There is no criminal case. If you want to believe you would have been arrested for doing that; so be it. They can arrest you for anything; I wouldn’t, but I’m not a cop anymore. If the cops badge whipped him and told him to leave, he may have seen a gun that wasn’t deployed and decided to say they pulled a “Glock†on him. The other piece of information I would like to have is; did they report this. That is not addressed anywhere. The cops are and the investigators are not making any public statements and of course that is being seen as a “Cover-upâ€. We now have a forum member that is saying he knows someone that is saying the witnesses are in conflict with what the “victim†is saying. Fact, fiction, or internet BS: we have no idea. I’m not taking sides and as I said these Officers face double jeopardy. Right now we are discussing criminal charges; they have the same rights that you have. If it’s a weak case; dump it. Then they get to face their Chief and Department. He can decide that whether a crime was committed or not they were involved in conduct unbecoming a Police Officer and he can do anything from suspending them to firing them. It is a better conversation than “Can I ship a handgun across state lines without using an FFL?†though isn’t it.

This isn’t about a war with NY; this about that young woman’s freedom. To humbly ask for leniency in her case is one thing. To end that request with a threat should be criminal. If this impacts her negotiations with the NY DA in a negative way I hope she sues the crap out of the State of Tennessee and wins. I’m still amazed that something so irresponsible could be allowed to be published by our legislature.

Pulling a gun on two guys that have guns pointed at you would probably; leave you dead or in the hospital; cops or not. If a guy stopped his truck in front of you and jumped out in a threating manner, and you pulled a gun on him, with him armed or not, ….. I couldn’t care less. I wouldn’t care if you did it and I don’t care if these cops did it. It wasn’t the “use of deadly force†period. No one was shot. If that guy jumped out first, and that’s what the witnesses say; it’s over, there is no case. There should be no case if it was you and there should be no case just because they are cops. You don’t have to be justified in the use of deadly force to pull a weapon; you have to be justified to shoot someone. If I had been the responding Officer and you told me that you had exchanged gestures with that guy and when he stopped ahead of you at the light, he jumped out of his truck and approached your vehicle, and that you displayed your weapon; I wouldn’t arrest you. You didn’t start it and you didn’t use deadly force. Now, if you jumped out first, and then he jumped out and you pulled a gun; you are going to jail. From your remarks it sounds like you want to be opened minded about it; but you aren’t. You are being blinded by the fact these guys are cops. I don’t want to see everyone that pulls a gun on someone to protect themselves to go to trial, just because a gun was pulled. Force these guys to trial just because they are cops or just because a gun was pulled and the same will happen to everyone else. I’m not taking sides here; we are playing a game of discussing possible scenarios. And when we only have one side, part of that game has to be that this guy is lying. If a convicted felon who has been arrested for a road rage incident before makes a claim against you; and you are a citizen with a clean record, that has to be taken into consideration. I’m sorry if you feel that someone’s past shouldn’t be able to be brought up in court to impeach their testimony; but it’s done every day. No one was hurt, everyone went home. As a DA I’m not going to arrest anyone or destroy any careers simply because a gun was pulled, unless I have good solid evidence of what happened. Do we have an innocent victim here? Should we go to trial because a gun was pulled? Should we go to trial because off duty cops were involved?

That can’t be real. We didn’t really have a legislator threaten an entire state over a pending felony case?? I hope for her sake this turns out to be a hoax.

My Doctor can ask anything he likes, and I’m offended that a legislator would be arrogant enough to think they could interfere/legislate with that any more than they can interfere with what my Attorney asks me. Does Jeremy Faison have nothing better to do? Hey Jeremy, we live in a state where it is a crime to carry a gun….. work on that.

You quoted me in your post, but I don’t get it. What does that have to do with anything???

Sure it should. He isn’t on trial here and it isn’t being used against him. It goes to credibility. If it can be shown that he is a liar the jury will kick out everything he has to say. Same as if a cop has been proven to be liar; it opens up his previous cases. “Beyond reasonable doubtâ€; it would apply to you and it should apply to these cops. If the witnesses are not supporting what he says; there is no case. There wouldn’t be for you and there shouldn’t be for these cops.

Cops gossip more than a bunch of old ladies; and their wives and girlfriends are even worse. If anything had happened and you talk to the right people you would know. Of course cops being afraid to say anything or a gag order coming from the high command does make a better internet story. I’m sure if a local reporter walks in and asks; they will be told what happened. That makes me think either nothing has happened yet or they are waiting on a Grand Jury.

An FFL is not required by the Feds, but some states don’t allow it. You would need to know the laws of the states you are shipping between.

There has never been an AK made worth $700….. Unless it had a new $400 scope mounted to it.

If you are part of the “General Public†you don’t have a right to bear arms in Tennessee; it is a crime. The distinction is made because as HCP holders we are part of a “Special Groupâ€. We are less that 5% of the state population that have bought the privilege of bearing arms. You can claim anything, but the reality is that the states have taken control of when and where you will carry as States Rights, and the Supreme Court of the United States has upheld that. You have a right to keep arms, but that right stops at your property line. Sorry, but I have to bring this up every time I see someone start claiming rights that they truly do not have. Four states recognize the right to bear arms and Tennessee is not one of them. So, if you are part of the “General Public†it is a crime for you to carry a loaded gun off your property. If you have an HCP you are part of our “Special Group†that purchased a privilege and does not include the general public. There is a history lesson here for everyone. The SCOTUS separated “Keep†and “Bearâ€. Why? Because they had no other logical choice. 75 years after the Constitution was signed we fought a war over “States Rightsâ€. Regardless of the outcome it was the bloodiest war our country has ever been in and clearly showed that “States Rights†was an issue worth going to war over. In the current decisions the SCOTUS had to “Split the Babyâ€. They gave you a warm fuzzy feeling by saying the 2nd is an individual right to ownership, but make it clear that when and where you “Bear Arms†is controlled by the state. Both sides of the issue claim victory. The 2nd amendment will have to be validated one state at a time. Right now the score is: FOR: 4 AGAINST: 46 Tennessee is on the wrong side.

Okay, are you talking about when he got banned from the dog forum?

Because they are illegal for the general public to own. If you want a SBR just buy a PLR-16. SBR out of the box, no tax stamps or ATF to deal with, and they are $500.

I would think the hard part of that would be finding a seller of an NFA item that would do it.

It’s a shame you were treated that way. I can see the photographer not be allowed to take pictures inside; many gun owners while claiming to be pro-gun have their tin foil hats screwed on pretty tight when it comes to anyone knowing that they own or buy guns. They were dumbazzes for not allowing you in and then forcing you off the property. Some in the public will want to know what they had to hide. They had nothing to hide; they were just scared of you (the press). Mayor Bloomberg’s people didn’t ask. They just went in with hidden cameras and took video of their conversations.

The rest of the story…. The DA dismissed charges against Revell. That opened the door for a civil suit. Think the DA will think about that next time? The case went all the way to the SCOTUS, who refused to hear it, upholding the decision of the lower court. Here is what the U.S. 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals had to say when they dismissed his civil case: U.S. Supreme Court Denies Cert In Important Gun Rights Case, Revell v. Port Authority of New York & New Jersey. - The Warshawsky Law Firm Blog - The Warshawsky Law Firm

Is this a word game? What do you think the difference in revoked and suspended is? He isn’t ever getting his permit back; that’s revoked. Suspended implies that he can get it back at a later date. You must be busy if you are keeping up with everything this nutcase does and what he posts. I don’t think anyone wants to see him killed, if for no other reason than it would mean another case of a gun owner doing something stupid. But doing something ignorant like running into a state capitol with an AR while wearing body armor is putting everyone around him in danger. I just hope no innocent bystanders or Police Officers are injured.

What are you going to do?

It’s like a train wreck…. You can’t look away. It looks like a kid with fat crayons made it and he can’t even post a PDF scan of a document without it being over 5MB.

Everyone gives lip service to Customer Support and warranties…. Until you need them. It’s good to see a company that truly stands behind their product. Anything from any company can break; it’s how they handle it that matters.