DaveTN

How could you possibly know that? No witnesses that I have heard about yet saw the fight start.

I guess I’m in the minority here. I’ve been in a few fights in my life and I feel that if you instigate a confrontation that leads to a fight, you fight with your fists. If you get your azz beat; so be it, you learn your lesson and move on. You don’t instigate a fight and then pull a gun once you figured out you have done something really stupid. Being stupid should hurt. If he’s isn’t tough enough to do that he needed to stay home on the couch watching TV instead of wondering the streets bothering innocent people. Or at least stayed in his truck and let the people that could handle the situation deal with it. If the stories of what happened are true, he may legally get off. But he’s still a punk that needed a gun. He’s going to have to answer for what he did no matter what happens. I just think a trial is in order.

Did she copyright the phrase “If I had a son he would look like Trayvon.� Because I would bet that phrase is already on the T-Shirt presses.

Really? Involuntary manslaughter. His reckless acts led to the death of an innocent person. Thankfully I don’t have to try the case here; that’s what juries are for. However, if I was the investigating Officer I couldn’t charge him with anything, I would leave that to the States Attorney.

Nonsense, Sanford, FL averages 3 or 4 homicides a year. They aren’t too busy with other things to deal with the homicide of an innocent citizen walking down the street. I’m not letting emotion over take common sense. I’m a former Police Officer. While I’m not an expert on Florida law and what Florida juries will do, as you claim to be, I know you can’t create a dangerous situation and then claim self-defense. If the evidence doesn’t support charges why did the Stanford Police ask the States Attorney’s Office to seek an arrest warrant for Zimmerman? http://www.miamihera...-to-charge.html

All anyone’s asking for is that 12 jurors listen to the witnesses give their testimony after they have been sworn in, in a courtroom. If he’s innocent I would think Zimmerman would want that; he has a bounty on his head right now. How long do think it will be before some gang banger wanting to make a name for himself finds him? If a jury can find, beyond reasonable doubt, that Zimmerman was not responsible for the death of Martin; I’m okay with that.

The Justice Department’s Civil Rights division has started an investigation. They aren’t big on investigating stuff they don’t have jurisdiction on. But it may not matter; a State Grand Jury will hear the case April 10th. We will have to wait and see. I believe something is going to happen for the same reason the Feds took the cops that beat Rodney King to trial after they were acquitted in their state trial…. Fear.

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If you want to make it a hate crime all you have to do is listen to the 911 audio.

Unless you know something I don’t know Martin was an innocent kid walking down the street prior to Zimmerman getting out of the truck. After he got out of the truck and confronted Martin; Martin was dead. Did Martin hit Zimmerman first? I don’t know and don’t care. Zimmerman apparently thought he could handle Martin, and that would have been fine…. If he didn’t need a gun to do it. If Martin stated kicking Zimmermans azz after Zimmerman got out of the truck and Zimmerman shot him… Zimmerman is a punk and needs to go to trial. If you are such a candy azz you can’t handle the situation…. Don’t go jumping out on innocent people walking down the street. I don’t know what happened but I can clearly see that this needs to go to trial. No, I wouldn’t run up and start attacking someone that was following me. But when they got out of the truck and approached me, I would have a gun in my hand. Following your line of thinking it would be okay for Zimmerman to shoot me because I pulled a gun. The difference between me and Treavon is that the only thing he had to protect himself was, was his fists. If he had encountered an HCP holder chances are his dead dumb azz would be laying in heap by his truck and we would be talking about the idiot that jumped out on an HCP holder and got his dumb azz killed. And no, I wasn’t there and neither were you; and this case stinks. Treavon is dead because of events Zimmerman set in motion; and I can’t for the life of me see why he hasn’t been arrested yet. He’s going to be arrested. If the DA is too chicken chit to do it; the Feds will step in and do it. But the community and the family deserve to have a trial.

A Grand Jury indictment is just a rubber stamp for the DA. Only one side gets to be heard in a Grand Jury hearing, so they are generally going to follow the path the person telling the story leads them down. Apparently the DA did not want to prosecute this case. He may have since changed his mind, who knows. But a Grand Jury indictment means absolutely nothing to me except that a trial is going to be held.

That’s not what we do here. We are arm chair quarterbacks and we don’t let anything ride without giving our opinions. You are one of the most vocal when it comes to drawing conclusions and postings your opinions. So I’m a little confused as to why you don’t think we should be discussing this or giving our opinions. I refuse to support Zimmerman simply because he is a permit holder. The problem I have is that no one has accused this kid of doing anything wrong, and now he is dead. Zimmerman single handedly orchestrated and implemented the actions that led to the death of an innocent person. And for that he should have to answer. I put myself in Trevons position. If I was walking down the street being stalked by someone in a truck and then they got out and approached me, I would have my gun in my hand. If he pulled his one of us would be dead. Only Trevon didn’t have a gun. He didn’t have any way to protect himself other than to try to get away. Zimmernam concluded that made him guilty of something. As I said before we don’t have a justice system, we have a legal system. Justice would be that Trevon was doing nothing wrong and was accosted on the street by a nut case with a gun, as far as I’m concerned he was justified in beating Zimmermans azz and leaving him in the street. Zimmerman should have taken his azz beating for making stupid decisions and went back home to lick his wounds. Instead an innocent person is dead. But no, we have a legal system that will try to say that if Trevon started kicking this guys azz, Zimmerman was justified in killing him. I’ve said here many times, if you get in a fight that you instigated or were a willful participant in; the use of deadly force should not be an option. If that’s what happened (and I don’t know that it is) I hope a message is sent by sending Zimmerman to prison. You can’t let your mouth overload your sorry azz and then back it up with a gun.

State of mind and intent are elements of most criminal offenses. Everything said in the courtroom will give the jury insight.

Mikhail Muhammad won’t need protective custody he would be a hero in prison. But you are right, I don’t see how Zimmerman could anything even close to a fair trial, and if convicted I doubt he makes it to the end of his sentence. Man, the only thing worse than being Zimmerman right now would be to be dead.

Exactly. He put the events in motion.

Yes, and unless he is put in the custody of the U.S. Marshall’s it will be a death sentence for him. I don’t think any jail could protect him.

Yes, Conspiracy generally only requires “one act in furtheranceâ€. I would say that Mikhail Muhammad’s statement was that act. I would like to know why he hasn’t been arrested or if this is being presented to a grand jury.

I predict an arrest will be coming shortly.

The follow-up case after Heller was McDonald.

You need to give me more of a hint than a black man that made it to the SC. Illinois doesn’t have a duty to retreat and hasn’t had in the 40 years I know about.

Stand your ground is as misunderstood as the Castle Doctrine. If a jury believes you are in danger of death or great bodily harm; both are moot. Stand your ground would only apply if a prosecutor agreed that the person was in danger of death or great bodily harm, but should have retreated. If there was a duty to retreat the shooter in Florida would have problems because he put himself in danger and caused the confrontation.

Lester I enjoy your stories. You tell them with a special kind of flair. I was a teenager in the 60’s and 70’s. We fought, but no one got shot. I believe that the only time you are justified in the use of deadly force is when you find yourself being attacked in a situation you did not start or participate in. If you let your mouth overload your azz and find yourself getting an azz whipping; you don’t get to pull a gun…. Period. BTW…. We had that same gym teacher at my school.

They are voters that are united by a cause…. The promise of money. The implications are that we are never going to get another President elected unless they know he will give them what they want.

Corporations couldn’t give rip what you or the Brady bunch have to say. They aren’t being swayed by the anti’s. They are looking at the civil liability they will have when a shoot-out takes place in a WH and innocents are killed. Will the gun signs keep them from getting sued? No, but it shows they did what they could. Remove the ability for someone to sue simply because the shooting took place on a business’s property and many of the signs will come down. Of course that isn’t going to happen because the lawyers need a payday and the corporations are the deep pockets. You say there has been a rash of robberies at WH’s here in Tennessee. Has anyone been shot? Good letter though, let us know if WH changes their policy.

Save yourself grief? The ATF says that you have to notify. They may be wrong, but who wants to poke a dog with a stick when you have nothing to gain and everything to lose? http://www.atf.gov/f...irearms-carrier