DaveTN

Politics, ballistics, and semi-auto. 30 years later and we are just getting rid of the 9MM’s. 40’s weren’t on the scene yet and .45s were too big in relationship to the capacity, although some Officers were carrying 1911’s. (Our department didn’t allow it) Most city departments were issuing .38+P ammo and most SO’s were issuing .357Mag. My first three were department issued ammo, my next three and both speed loaders were 357. There was a poll and S&W a long time ago about who wanted magazine disconnects. Many of the cops wanted them and most of the others didn’t. I don’t see it as a safety; I see it as a feature. When I bought my last two M&P I wanted disconnects. My dealer told me he didn’t carry them because he mainly sold to the public and they didn’t want them. I’ll have them on my next M&P’s if I have to order them and wait. M&P’s are taking the Police (and civilian it appears) market away from Glock; that’s why they offer them. But it’s also why they offer them without…. Have it your way.

Police? How many cops do think will follow an illegal order to seize guns? And if they did, what do you think will happen when the good cops walk over to the other side?

Which has absolutely nothing to do with 1911’s and everything to do with Old Fart Stories.

They may have started buying 59’s at some point, but ISP was the first large Police department to issue a semi-auto and it was the Smith & Wesson Model 39. Things that impact your decisions…. I was a rookie cop and was present when an Illinois state Trooper was telling the story of one of the troopers that he worked with that involved in a shooting. ISP had just started carrying the 39. A Trooper had a guy pulled over on the side of the road and the guy flipped out on him. Somehow the Trooper got to his mic and put out an “Officer Needs assistanceâ€. As the responding Officer was arriving on the scene from the opposite direction he saw the perp standing over the Trooper that he had knocked out. The guy was trying to get the gun to fire at the Trooper. The approaching Trooper made a Hail Mary shot from his vehicle and killed the perp. Turns out the Trooper was in a fight for control of his weapon and knew he was going to lose because of the size of the guy and the power he had. He popped the mag release before losing control. The guy was trying to figure out why the weapon would not fire when he caught the fatal bullet. Now… there are only two possible reasons that trooper lived; magazine disconnects, or Gods hand guided that second trooper’s bullet. A few years later I way in a fight for control of my revolver all I could do was hold my hand down on the hammer so he couldn’t pull the trigger, as another cop approached and grabbed him. I couldn’t free my hands to defend myself without him gaining control of the gun. My first thought after it was over was that if I had a semi with a mag disconnect I could have popped it and freed my hands to get control of him. Those are reasons for laughing when I see someone posting that mag disconnects are “lawyer gunsâ€. Don’t use them if you don’t want them, but my street experience tells me I want one on everything I can get it on.

I’m a cancer survivor. Fear of the unknown can as bad as the disease itself. Because you are not a family member you may not have been present when the Doctors presented this to your girlfriend and her family. If you weren’t ask her to take you with her to talk to the Doctor. Make a list before you go and get your questions answered. Have the prognosis explained to you in detail. Prayers always help.

Another old fart story… (1978) My first duty weapon was a Model 19. We had to buy our own and it was $175 brand new Police Officer price. I later picked up a Model 39 (for off duty) like what ISP was carrying at the time; wished I had kept it. I did keep my first model 36 and still have it.

The only reason they would take this to a Grand Jury is if they want a “No True Bill†to help the Good Samaritan in case there is a civil suit. These guys were robbing people at gun point; a Grand Jury is not going to indict.

No you aren’t; I want a payday not a judgment. You are acting as an agent for the insurance company; I’m going to sue them. Of course I’m not going to have to take it that far because the insurance company will pay because they understand it’s a clerical error and they would pay anyway. You can sue anyone if you have been wronged and can show a loss. I was sued as a Police Officer. The attorney for the guy suing me was ignorant beyond belief for filing the suit, and the case was dismissed and the guy was sent to prison; but he was allowed to file his suit. And had he won I would have been responsible for punitive damages. Courts don’t have immunity if you can show the acts were extremely careless, reckless, or intentional. But if you want to start handing out judgments for clerical errors, the tax payers would be paying them and we aren’t going to do that.

Detroit is surrounded by other Americans that won’t turn their back on them. We did this… we can’t just walk away and let them fin for themselves. Well…. Some can.

Once we fracture we are done. I don’t see Americans turning their backs on other Americans; that’s TV non-sense. EDIT: Okay… I should probably restate that… I can see that happening, but if it does we are toast. Not something I would take part in.

It’s pretty arrogant to think anyone will want to take us over. By the time we get done destroying our own country there won’t be anything left anyone will want, other than maybe the farm land. We have created the problems we have through our own personal greed. I keep thinking something will happen, but I don’t think there are enough patriots left in this country to turn it around.

Change what?

This is just the beginning and it’s going to happen in many places. Detroit is just one of the first because its economy was based on the auto industry more so than many other cities. The worse the economy gets; the more Police Officers we will need. The money for that can only come from raising taxes. I’ve seen the quality of Police Officers drop substantially in the last 30 years and I believe it will now drop like a rock. But it’s not just cops; it’s all jobs. In the 80’s I had a guy that owned a security firm tell me “If I hire security guards and let them wear a uniform, I could hire them for minimum wage. If I Let them carry a gun I could get them to work for free.†That just may be what we end up with for cops.

Seeing James Yeager bad mouth somone that he says has invested their ego in their gun is hilarious.

There’s a self-defense lesson to be learned there.

Yes, they did. So did some other states.

Send 2K high paying skilled trade jobs to another country and replace them with 2K low paying ware house jobs and what happens to the unemployment numbers?

How did we get to personal insults from what I said? I’m sorry if you were in some way insulted or thought I was calling all 1911’s POS. I’m a 1911 fan and that was not my intention.

It saw all the guns.

I don’t want a POS for a self-defense gun or a target gun. I might want a POS for a cheap plinker. (I wouldn’t because I’m a gun snob, but I can see where some might. )

Give more money for more statisticians to create better models for figuring unemployment rates? Must be a Democrat.

We nuked Japan because of the casualties that were being predicted if we tried to occupy it. Same applies here.

That can’t happen either. First, it would be the same as a ban on firearms and would not stand. Second, Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act (and the same in other states) allows us to make and sell ammo here. Again, it would be a shot at States’ Rights and won’t happen.

Nope. It wouldn’t be gun owners; it would be states. There would be states that will not stand for it, and when push comes to shove the feds would do nothing. But its moot; it’s not going to happen.

I pray that I am wrong, but I don’t think it will be an October surprise I think it will a November surprise of him being elected to a second term. The largest voting base in this country is those that only care what the government can do for them. They are not going to vote for any Republican. Then you have the third party and independents that are going to help him get elected by throwing away their votes on losers that can’t win. As I said…. I pray I am wrong.