DaveTN

Here is my rough draft for what its worth. I tried to keep it short......     I am a former Police Officer and have seen firsthand the damage criminals will do. I am not a hunter and do not kill animals for sport. I do however have firearms to protect my family and my community against criminals.   As a Police Officer I was usually reactive; not proactive. By the time the Police get to an active shooter it is usually over. The only way to stop an illegal active shooter is with a legal active shooter. Please do not take part in legislating away our rights to protect ourselves, our families, and potentially your family.   The recent massacre in Connecticut was a mental health issue; not a gun issue. The devil himself walked into that classroom and all the gun bans in the world would not have stopped him. What might have stopped him (other than a mental health professional being proactive) is a legally armed citizen; unfortunately those aren’t allowed in schools so all those small children had to die.   As private citizens we are generally the only hope victims will have. Please don’t disarm us by voting for gun control legislation.   Also, please don’t put our Police Officers in the position of having to choose between enforcing laws they do not believe in or abandoning their law enforcement careers.

Every May in Illinois ABATE has a ride on the Capitol (Springfield, IL) to let the legislators know they do not want a helmet law. Thousands of motorcycles arrive and stage outside the city. ABATE has coordinated with the Springfield Police Department for an orderly ride to the Capitol. Yes, it is orderly but it brings traffic to a halt in the city. People bring lawn chairs and coolers and sit by the side of the road to watch the largest procession of Motorcycles they will ever see out side of Sturgis or Daytona. The Motorcycles park around the capitol and for a few hours speeches are made and some state representatives even speak. Lawmakers look out their office windows at a sea of voters that don’t want a helmet law. I don’t know if they still do this, but Illinois doesn’t have a helmet law. That’s my story and I really couldn’t care less about your feelings on the helmet law. But my point is I think this is what we need. I think it should be unarmed and none of this “Come and take them” non-sense. Threats don’t usually work well. Obviously if it were a National march in DC there would be no weapons. I personally would have two concerns… 1. Letting one of our radicals get in front of a TV camera and start making threats. 2. No one shows up or the numbers are weak.

I’m not suggesting any new laws Lester. Yes, a guy could sell all the AR parts, magazines, or uppers he wants, for any price he wants. But speculating and buying guns, lowers, or receivers requires a FFL license or it is a crime. These are also the guys that are going to lead us to no private sales. Can you sell a complete gun when you jack the price of a used gun up to new? Sure you can when you are selling to convicted felons and people that don’t want a paper trail. Apparently someone out there is willing to pay $99.97 for a plain GI metal mag. I don’t think that should be stopped. But when everything returns to normal, and it will, I won’t be buying anything from them. I have to admit that I am guilty of doing business with companies I said I wouldn’t. Four years ago when CTD shot the price of ammo through the roof and everyone was going nuts dragging them through the mud, I decided I wouldn’t buy anything from them again. Several months ago I needed a holster for my Shield and they were the only ones that had it in stock. I figured well maybe they just got caught up in things and learned their lesson. Well I was wrong; here we are again. Someone punch me in the face if I ever try to buy anything from them again.

I’m no fan of the NRA but I almost puked when I read that. This guy is the kind of nutcase that gets some of the pro-gun folks so wound up they are ready to turn on their own. Of course they put this at the end of the story instead of the beginning so we would waste our time reading it. Go really retire this time. You have lost any sign of journalistic ethics or responsibility, if you ever had any.

I’m not going to waste my time going back and linking them for you; look them up yourself. One just went into a 14 day timeout for not dropping it after his thread was locked. And what does “armed resistance” mean if you aren’t threatening violence? Are we playing word games? EDIT: I’m not going to take your $100 that would be to easy. Maybe someone else would like to take it though, there are several posted.

I’m not suggesting any reasonable profit laws. I’m suggesting you don’t do business with people or businesses that are hosing you. However, selling guns as a business is a crime unless you are licensed to do it. Anyone that thinks they can buy up AR’s and then sell them off at a substantial profit is free to try. They run the same risk any other criminal does.

I don’t think its dealers that are doing most of it (Other than Cheaper than Dirt); its private individuals. I don’t know how high CTD went on Pmags, when I looked a few days ago they were $60. Right now they are back to normal price because they don’t have any, but regular GI issue metal mags are at $99.97.

I don’t see them saying no to price gouging? Just that they aren’t the ones doing it. Most of the gun manufacturers aren’t doing it either; the distributors and dealers are.

No, you aren’t wrong, except for the profit part. It’s unlawful to buy a gun with the intent of reselling it, profit is not a requirement. Of course it wouldn’t make much sense without a profit. Even though the ATF won’t put out a number of guns sold that constitutes illegal gun sales you can look at a few of the cases and see that the number is not that high. 25 maybe 50 in a year. A single event usually gains their attention and its downhill from there. This. Doesn’t matter if it’s illegal or not. Buying up all the magazines, doubling or tripling the price and listing them on-line is wrong. It’s no different (to me) than the gas station owners that put gas at $10 a gallon in New Orleans during Katrina. They changed the laws so those people could be put in handcuffs and taken to jail.

I hope they fix that, I could go more often. I have to take my wife’s Suburban; my Charger won’t go in there. I also think we should all take up a collection and buy a 4 wheeler to leave out there so we don’t have to spend so much time walking 330 yards and back to change targets.

Well it’s a little late now don’t you think?

Or you can’t buy without asking. Or you can’t go to a meet because she said you have to mow the grass.

I like them because my wife drives a Suburban and if I leave my magazines scattered about the driveway; she won’t damage them when she runs over them.

Well that’s just bad business on the town’s part. If a tax break is set a number of years you have to know the business will move or want to renegotiate at that time. I’m not saying every business should get free land and tax breaks, but if a major manufacturer that is going to have skilled trades jobs is looking at your town; you better have someone in town with enough intelligence to deal with it.   Most all the clothing business in Tennessee moved to Mexico; it could have just been the timing. Cut a buck off the price of a pair of jeans and many Americans won’t care where they came from or what the impact on our economy is.

They used to say that about guys that drove Vettes. I would have to prove them wrong. Not only would they be stuck driving their POS, but they would lose their girlfriend also.

I don’t know if it’s legal to change the price after you have confirmation, but would guess there is something in the details you agreed to that allows it.   I would have let them ship and then disputed the charge on my credit card. They may have got the extra money, but I would have made them work for it. Chances are they would have settled for the amount you bought them at.   We all get pizzed when companies do this and everyone swears they will never buy from them again. CTD is still in business and this is the 2nd time they have jacked prices through the roof, although they did it before the sale not after.

We have five axis machining centers with up to 130” of travel, and one of the largest CMM’s in the MidState (120”). I think the only bigger one is at Nissan, but I’m not sure.   We mainly make structural components for aircraft and are currently working on a space vehicle. Automation is as good as the people running it. CNC machines are capable of making scrap at an astounding rate if you don’t have good CAD Operators, CNC Programmers, Operators and QA Inspectors.

What do you base that on? What makes you think all of us will lay our guns on the ground and walk away or hand them to the cops as they drive by? The “way you see it” when it comes to cops is based on what? While you set behind a keyboard trashing everyone and making predictions based on (I’m guessing) very little knowledge you expect cops to put their jobs and support for their families on the line. Do you think you can make people do what you want by belittling them? Or that you are somehow more rebellious than the rest of us because you have a battle flag in your avatar instead of an America flag? I’ll see your wager and I’ll bet that most of the anti-government types that are suggesting violence will scream like little girls and run the first time a round is fired in their direction, that is if they even show up. Man… why are people on this forum turning against each other or acting like they want a battle they aren’t going to participate in and can’t win if they did? Those of us that are not prepared to turn our back on America are stronger and better prepared than those that will.

No, it’s a fixed magazine that holds 10 rounds.

I’m curious what you mean? Do they set the pricing for guns on their forum?

 There is a forum for the government haters. I won’t name it here but I would hate to see TGO become anything like that. Threatening armed violence against American citizens is ridiculous.   He got sat in the corner for 14 days.

You will still need about $10K (conservatively) in software to create a Model, program and post process. There are some desktop CNC mills for under $5K that can machine wood and plastic, around $10K that can machine metal. It never stops though…. You need a lathe, surface grinder, EDM… etc., etc., etc. Oh yea, and if you don’t have them; you need machining skills.

Or is it just me? Can't read or post in some threads.... getting SQL ERROR.

That’s what I’m saying. A few radicals try something and they will be taken out in a heartbeat. If they open fire they will be killed and painted as terrorists. I don’t think the government will come after my guns in any way, but that doesn’t mean what you are describing won’t happen. I think there are some (Misguided Patriots for lack of a better name) that want a revolt and picture themselves as someone our founding Fathers would be proud of. I hope we have some advance warning on this fight so I can schedule my nap accordingly.

I keep a gun in my car. I lock my car when I get out. I have firearms in my house. I lock my doors when I leave. Getting my guns would require forcible entry and a criminal act. But apparently if the level of force doesn’t rise to that of breaking into a safe…. You think I’m a criminal. Sorry I disagree. Absolutely you value your guns more than I do. I would rather my gun was stolen than my laptop; costs less and is easier to replace. You don’t know that. If I’m going to kill someone, I think it reasonable to assume I could make them open their safe. We are in the mess we are in now because a mentally ill monster decided to kill a bunch of kids.