DaveTN

No, the only six people that mattered say I was wrong on the criminal charges. I’m okay with that, not upset, won’t lose any sleep over it, as I said the verdict either way will impact me 0%. I’m disappointed.

I accept the verdict. Eat crow? I don’t think so. I’ve seen many cases where guilty people walked free and I’m sure I will see it again. On a national level the state cases with the Rodney King cops, and the OJ case. But the Feds made the King case right and karma took OJ down. We will see what happens with Zimmerman. (I’m not suggesting a federal case; there is none) I’ve stayed out of these threads recently because I was tired of the personal attacks and being called a racist when my opinions had zero to do with race. Zimmerman was found “not guilty”; that doesn’t mean he’s innocent. I hope the Florida law doesn’t keep the Martin family from filing a civil suit. He doesn’t have anything for them to get right now, but I hate to think this guy could make a dime off killing an innocent kid by selling book or movie rights. No justice today.

Wasps. I’d rather face a man with a gun than a wasp.

No it isn’t. I have zero concerns about my ability to defend myself being impacted by this trial or verdict.

Why all the hate for Chicago over murders? Memphis has a higher murder rate than Chicago.

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Read the stories; he wasn’t forced out. He got a “No confidence” vote, got all butt hurt and tried to “temporally resign”. Then they voted to keep him, then he wanted to step down, then they finally got tired of his BS and fired him.

I don't think there is anymore than we know. I don’t care if the pressure was coming from the POTUS himself; you don’t try to “step down temporally” when your department comes under fire. You do what you think is right or you make them fire you. Yes, he was finally fired after playing games for a couple of months. During that critical time period there should have been a strong Chief in there that could do his job.

If he believed in what he was doing he should have stayed and fought for it. A no confidence vote from the city commission and he runs off crying with his tail between his legs. Nobody cares what he has to say. The going got a little tough and he failed… good riddance. I guess now he must be trying to find another job.

I had to laugh out loud when I read that. Pretty bad when you have to argue the victim should have still been in prison.

It allows you to go to trial with a presumption you were justified. A presumption that a prosecutor is free to try to shoot holes in whether it happened in your house or in your car. Castle Doctrine is not a free pass.

They expect 300K applications for carry permits in the first year. That should help. Of course it may thin out the group that voted for her.

No one is anonymous … this will last until the first defamation suit.

Apparently the Police in MAYFIELD HEIGHTS, Ohio don’t have any known drug dealers they need to go bust, and they have done such a good job of cleaning up their own town that they will now help out the rest of the nation by moving onto the Interstates.

They overrode the Governor’s veto and passed the bill as written.

This should not be happening. Some cops seem to be afraid to tell you that “Yes, you are being detained, No; you are not free to go. Do you understand that?” These clowns think they have hit the lottery if they get a cop to tell them they are being detained. If you are working a DUI checkpoint and you don’t know if you have the right to detain an idiot that refuses to roll his windows down and turns into a mute; GTF off the checkpoint until you find out. And don’t listen to your cop friend or read it on a forum; go directly to the DA’s office and find out.   And for citizens:  We shouldn’t be having to guess at this crap. Most every Police Department, DA’s Office and Sherriff’s Office has a website. They need to be posting useful information on them to educate the public instead of some of the non-sense they put on their. DA’s should be available to the public. As a Police Officer when I had a question I could walk right into the DA’s office or call them and get an opinion on whatever I was questioning. The public should be able to do the same. Sure, I don’t expect them to discuss specific on-going cases with us, but we should be able to get general answers from them. They are elected to serve the public.   Defense attorneys: Just like cops, there are good and bad defense attorneys’. If you have a defense attorney tell you that cops need a warrant to search your car, cut him off and walk away; he’s an idiot. I have been though more traffic and criminals trials than I can count. Many of the defendants said they were going to walk; they didn’t. They lost their traffic cases and were convicted in their criminal trials and still had to pay their attorneys’.  Why? Look at the conviction rates. Most good cops and DA’s know more about traffic stops and search and seizure than the attorneys do. You want to know what’s going to happen in a courtroom; ask an attorney or a DA. You want to know what’s going to happen on a traffic stop; ask a cop in the jurisdiction you are inquiring about.   Parents: I have said this before and I’ll say it again. Parents you owe your kids the proper answers when they ask you about traffic stops or vehicle searches. So don’t tell them stupid crap like “A cop needs a warrant to search their car.” Because it’s stupid, its wrong, and they will repeat at the wrong time because they think you have a clue of what you are talking about.

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1. If you find yourself wanting to chase a kid down the street simply because you don’t know him; stop and give yourself a couple of minutes to get your head out of your azz. 2. Oh wait, you don’t need 2 though whatever if you have common sense.

We can’t have a discussion about reasonable articulable suspicion on DUI without knowing what the Officer has to say. We don’t know what he saw when he was looking at the guy or in his car.   I have clearly stated that from what I saw neither of these Officers acted professionally. That’s a lot different than whether or not they can investigate you for DUI. If I thought he may be DUI, I would have handled it much differently. Of course I’m arm chair quarterbacking and had plenty of time to think about it.   I don’t think we have heard the end of this.

Refusing to roll down the window, provide his DL or answer any questions. If he was arrested the PC would be challenged in court; not on the street. If he felt his rights were being violated by complying with the orders he was being given; he can settle that with a civil case.   But as I stated above I have not kept up on these cases. If someone can show me that you are not required to roll down your windows or show a DL and proof of insurance while remaining mute; then the Officer was wrong unless he saw something that caused him to believe the guy was DUI.   Aren’t you a Police Officer? Does your department have a policy on what to do in this situation?

You can prove possession. I can only assume that’s why he was resisting (but that’s just an assumption). Resisting or obstructing does not require that they prove he was DUI or in possession. Proving DUI or possession could result in a child endangerment conviction. I doubt this case will ever go to court.

That cop was calm and collected. He tried everything to explain the situation to that guy. The guys own video will be used against him in court. Remember… if you are going to do stupid chit; don’t record it.

I believe that he clearly had cause to investigate him for DUI, but I haven’t kept up on court decisions. A DUI checkpoint has (or had) been upheld as a lawful stop. If you are lawfully stopped driving you are required to show a driver’s license. However, PC is argued in a courtroom in front of a Judge; not on the street. If you can show me proof that a person can roll up their windows at a DUI checkpoint and refuse to talk; then you would be correct. I’m not saying he should stop anything. I’m saying a bunch of noise on YouTube and a Gun Forum is not a formal complaint; and will not be treated as one by the Sherriff. You are being blinded by your hatred of the government; use the system that is in place and then use whatever evidence and statements it turns up. Contrary to what you believe all the cops involved in an internal investigation are not bad; most will do their job. Whether or not he filed a false Police report will depend on how he described “It wasn’t a very good alert.” If it was the handler I saw, and he said what I think he said, then yes, I think you are witnessing the end of his K9 career and possibly Police career. Unless of course he said in his report “It wasn’t a very good alert.” The Brady requirements for the prosecution would depend on the outcome of this. Duty to disclose? If you were arrested on PC from this handler and your attorney is not aware of this incident; you are probably toast anyway.

He had RAS to get the guy out of the car on suspicion of DUI. Depending on his actions at that time he may/may not have had PC have him submit to a field sobriety test and arrest him if he refused. A seasoned Officer should have been ready to deal with a situation like this without turning into an azz.   The citizen needs to file a formal complaint with the Sherriff’s Office. Then they will have to advise him of the outcome and he can decide what action (if any) he wants to take.   Other than the first cop being rude and condescending for no good reason; I find this most disturbing. If that was the K9 handler saying what I think he said; his credibility is shot.

Guilty as charged.