DaveTN

I don’t care what you have quoted: you are wrong. Rarely is a warrant needed on the search of a person or a vehicle; it certainly isn't the "rule of thumb". Whether or not there was PC or whether or not he was an immediate threat will be dealt with in front of a Judge; not argued on the street. Goof ball has proven himself to be a very real threat. A person could not be mentally stable and do the things he has done or threatened to do the things he has threatened to do. If the news is correct he has taken this so far that he has either been suspended or fired from his job. As a taxpayer I’m not big on paying lawsuits because of incompetence. But I fully support what these Officers did and if a jury could award him anything it would only be proof that our system is severely broken. Walking away and leaving this nutcase with a weapon that had not been checked would be incompetent. No one’s rights were violated. The people of the city of Nashville were being threatened by an intentional display designed by a deranged mind to scare them. If any Police Officer fears a lawsuit enough to let that happen; they are in the wrong job. I’m ashamed that he is a gun owner and I’m ashamed that friends and people at work have asked me what’s up with this nutcase because they think he’s some kind of pro 2nd supporter. He’s a dirt bag trying to make a buck off the system; maybe the system will destroy him.

    They have a "Sporting Use Exception". No Fed paperwork required.

How is that their problem? Did he hand over the paperwork as required by law?

Whose legal duty do you think it is to make sure they see that paperwork?

You know that’s what got him started don’t you? He was infatuated with the guy in Virginia that got a nuisance suit settlement for $10K because he had been stopped several times while carrying. The guy claimed he was being stopped for “Carrying while black”. Lenny decided he wanted the same fame. Lenny forgot one small detail.

What’s the problem with it; it’s a common sense line of thinking. Possession of a silencer is a crime in this state. A valid defense to that charge is that you are a validly registered owner under federal law in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Records. You are also required to retain proof of that registration. Invoking the 5th is not a valid response. Let him turn this into a “letter of the law” battle. We will see how it turns out.

Oh, so this is a case of him and the rest of us not understanding the law or our rights? That’s preposterous. The lowest common denominator knows they have the right to remain silent. They also know to ask if they are free to leave or if they are being detained.

He may have plenty of time to work on his case; I thought I heard them say on the news that he’s placed on administrative leave from his job after his arrest.

Good. Now get the Russians to turn over that traitor Snowden and send him to prison also.

Nope, the cops never have to quit asking you questions. They simply risk using anything you say in court after you invoke. That really isn’t a concern in a case like this. What they will show with that, should this ever go to court is that he was asked numerous times if it was a weapon and if it was loaded.   Court isn’t held on the street; it’s held in courtrooms. Let him sue civilly; he isn’t going to stop until that happens anyway. In a civil case a jury will see all the forum posts he has made, all the bannings, all the videos, all the insane stuff on his website; he won’t get anything.

TMF is a respected member here; I hope he doesn’t take your bait.

I doubt he’s selling many guns. This stunt will put his FFL at risk. I wonder if that wasn’t intentional so he can try to use it to show a loss.

Don’t put words in my mouth; no way I said “it was probably an illegal search”. I said it wouldn’t surprise me if they kick it. No way would I have let him walk away. No, you are not free to leave. Yes, you are being detained.  He had plastic wrapped around an AR to intentionally make it obvious it was a weapon; it was plain view. He’s been ruled a potential danger to the public. A cop would be derelict in their duty if they let this guy walk away without making sure he was not carrying a loaded weapon.

So in Florida if you are acquitted the state picks up the tab? I don’t think so.

His HCP was revoked by the state. Then the Feds gave him an FFL.

Plain view and exigent circumstances. It won’t surprise me if the DA or a Judge kicks it over them not getting a warrant, but I doubt you would find many cops that would let him continue walking. The cops did their job; now it’s up to the DA and courts to do theirs.

This won't end well. How did we get from this dirtbag trying to get stopped and searched to this?

He will need to make a case that wrapping plastic around a gun and putting a lock on it makes it a case, or even if it does it was protected from search. I will agree though, it appears they knew who they had and they should have just got a warrant. Or, they could have decided they weren’t they wasting any more time with this idiot and did what they had to do to get him off the street. No cop in good conscience could let him walk away without checking that weapon. His HCP was revoked saying there was a likelihood of risk to the public, he was trying to make it clear to everyone that he was carrying a rifle, and he added the body armor for effect. There is no way I would have allowed him to continue if I were a cop. This threat was real. I don’t think law enforcement is banned from challenging and stopping an open threat.

All he had to do was show that the weapon wasn’t loaded. There was PC for a stop and there was PC to check the weapon. When a person can step out into the public carrying a rifle and dressed in body armor and the Police can’t stop him until he starts dropping bodies; the patients are truly in charge of the asylum. The Officer in the video was right. If they let him walk away, knowing full well that he was a nut case and a Judge had revoked his HCP because he believed him to be a potential danger, and he started shooting people; the public would be blaming the PD for not acting.

It looks like he got what he wanted; arrested. From the video it looks like they handled it pretty well. He was told right up front he was being detained.   What’s one star as a collar device for MPD mean? I doubt he stumbled onto this by accident.

You started the thread and now you are lost?

Without an HCP, it is if the weapon is unloaded and secured. I’m guessing he will try to argue they didn’t have PC to check the weapon; he will lose. He probably has his class III stuff in order but it sounds like he was refusing to cooperate. I doubt that will work out for him either.

Maybe they will investigate why the state revoked his HCP, saying he was a possible danger, and then the Feds gave him an FFL. I mean, with the Feds being so interested in background checks and all.

    It’s a City Council/ Manger form of government and the City Manager is Greg McClain. So it sounds to me like the Mayor is just a figurehead without much power.

I threw that requirement out; you have no idea what will or will not be outlawed. All we have is wild azz guesses and wishful thinking. You can’t base anything serious on those. Besides that anyone knows you can’t hit the broad side of a barn with a mini 14 if you were standing inside it.