DaveTN

Fill us in on the felonies we need to worry about unknowingly committing? I only know two people that are trying to get their gun rights back, but neither deny committing their crime or say that they didn’t know it was a crime when they were committing it.

Navy beats Army.

He didn’t say that when I heard him tell the story.

Did you make that video?

Trivia: Waylon Jennings gave up his seat on the ill fated flight that took the lives of Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and J.P. Richardson because Richardson was sick. The day the music died.

Does it have these sights?

Kicking in a door is pretty easy. All you can do is try to make it so they can’t defeat the lock and have to make a bunch of noise if they decided to force it open. I would bet when they heard your dogs; they left. Short of having someone standing there with a gun dogs are the best security system there is.

Because it lets you get at the proper distance and angle without needing a ladder to stand on.

It’s appalling that she is even eligible for a parole hearing this soon. The people that committed and participated in those murders and rape are animals and should never walk free again.

How much does it cost? I don't think it would do much. It might reduce the sound of a .22 some, but the sound is coming out of the end of the barrel and the box is open on that end. Maybe if it was 10 feet long. But maybe I’m wrong; I’m certainly no acoustics expert.

One of the first things impaired by alcohol is judgment. This guy will have 35 years to think about that. The other guy can’t think about it; it cost him his life.

Take a $1K Smith & Wesson, Kimber, or Springfield and shoot it alongside your uncle’s guns. Your question will be answered.

Myth: Being shot by anything will stop most attackers. Fact: If you are shooting someone chances are very good that you are facing an armed attacker (armed robbery, Car Jacking, Home invasion, etc.), you and you alone are responsible for your life and the lives of those you are protecting. It is your responsibility to have a weapon that you know will fire and a caliber that you are sure has the ability to make your attacker unable or unwilling to fire his weapon at you. Failure to have that ability and training could possibly result in your death or death of those you are protecting. You will probably react in the way you train. So if you think shot placement will save your life you damn well better have the ability to pull it off in a life threatening encounter. Whether or not the assailant dies is immaterial if he pulls the trigger on you.

The guys an idiot. Who would think they have guns in there house they don’t know about? No one, that’s why the only call they got was someone trying to turn a gun in.

Will any good come from this? Possibly. The intent of the law and the letter of the law are not always the same. The intent of the ban on guns in schools is keeping kids away from deadly weapons. I don’t think the intent of that law was to protect the building and it should not be in force when school is not in session and the building is being used for other purposes. This could get a ruling on that. (Provided of course there isn’t already case law on it)

I’m not fabricating anything; speculation is what we do here. I’m not arguing they were right or that the case won’t be thrown out. I’m simply discussing RAS, PC and the validity of the arrest. The woman was committing a felony and she was caught. Whether or not we believe she should have been arrested or if carrying a gun into a school should be a crime is immaterial. I wouldn’t walk into a government meeting and search everyone; it doesn’t sound like that is what they did. It sounded to me as though they had very specific information on who she was and where the gun was, information that apparently was correct. But I don’t know that. So fill us in; how did the Officers on the scene get the call? Were they dispatched there? Did an Officer get a tip? Do they know who called? Did that person see the gun at the meeting or simply on face book? How do we get from a person being caught committing a felony to cops lying? Has someone accused the cops of lying? If so, about what? I don’t doubt that this is political and one of her rivals or someone she pissed off called this in. But they didn’t make her carry a gun into a school; she did that on her own. Unless of course you are claiming they planted the gun on her? If a cop saw the Facebook post and went there; it probably wouldn’t hold up in court. But if a citizen called in information of a felony in progress, and their information was as accurate as it appears to be; it was a good arrest. How the DA and the courts handle it is anybody’s guess. I would guess this won’t go to court unless her attorney thinks he can get the gun thrown out. Good for him if he can, but unless the cops were involved in this “plot” they are okay with the way they recovered the weapon….IMO. Plenty of unknowns and opportunity for high drama here huh?

You would need to find an attorney that would take a civil suit in a case where a cop took a gun from someone in the commission of a felony; good luck with that, no reputable one will take it because they know they can’t win it.   Explain why you think a pat down for Officer Safety and the safety of those around him does not apply on a call where a person has been identified and an anonymous caller is reporting a felony in progress of carrying a gun in a school?

Someone calls the Police and says a person has a gun. They give the person’s name, description and tell them where the gun is. That is RAS to approach and question them. A pat down for weapons is okay, looking in a purse that they have access to and may contain a weapon is okay. The gun will be found. An attorney can make the unlawful search claim in a motion to the court.

Or being told to go put the gun in your car. (They are going to find the gun no matter what you say.)   Exactly, but our state legislators have seen fit to make carrying a gun a privilege; not a right.

You are in a state where carrying a loaded gun is a crime. A permit is a privilege we buy from the state; not a right. My understanding is someone called the Police on her specifically and said she was carrying a gun. Seems pretty straight forward to me. “Ma’am, are you in possession of a firearm?”     They have been called there on a person with a gun. If you ask them and if they deny it, refuse to answer, invoke the 5th or decide to turn into an attorney that didn’t sleep at a Holiday Inn last night; they will pat you down for weapons.     Of course the Officer can’t make you tell him anything. Try that and let us know how it works.

There is a legal obligation to surrender your weapon when asked to do so.  

It doesn’t need to be a confession at all. Do you have a handgun carry permit and are you carrying? It’s a question. At that point she has a decision to make. If someone called them there because they think she has a gun in a school (or anywhere else); they probably aren’t going to leave until they determine that. If someone steps forward and says they saw it; it’s a done deal. I doubt they would do much other than ask her if someone says they called because they saw her post on FB. But they are going to ask her and they are going to ask her to voluntarily let them look in her purse. We don't know what the Officers were told when they arrived, so we have no idea what would happen after that.

It’s a crime in this state to carry a gun. You can be stopped if an Officer thinks you are carrying or if someone calls in on you. You can refuse to answer; but you will likely have your permit revoked.

They should have to do like they do with your driver’s license; they send a notice of the hearing to the address on the permit, and then it’s up to you to be there.

She has an HCP; unless she is going to lie they didn't need to search her, just ask if she was carrying.