DaveTN

Well if that’s true, I wonder why after having my gun twice and being told by the Senior Vice President of the Firearms Division to fix the problem; they didn’t put that trigger in my gun?

Now that is Customer Support! Not only did he know what to do; but it remained calm enough to explain it.

If you look on Gun Broker at auctions that have ended; the ones that sold went from around $300 to $800. There were plenty listed at $1000-$1200 but none of them had any bids.

At 600 yards any modern .308 bolt should run circles around any of the surplus rifles mentioned here regardless of caliber. I’ve never owned a Vanguard is there something wrong with it? What scope are you using on it?

I would want to know both the law and see the written Department Policy on this. Department policy isn’t the law and can’t protect you from criminal charges. (Although I doubt written Department policy for TDOC violates the law)

http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/boot-camp-checklist.html

Is there something in place to contest these tickets? I remember that we had a judge that said radar is merely an aid to what an Officer sees. If an Officer didn’t testify that he visually observed the vehicle and based on his experience it was speeding; the ticket was dismissed. The radar unit certifications had to be presented (if asked for) and the Officer could be questioned about his training and procedure for calibrating the unit. Is this not done for cameras?

The people who claim that these tickets can be enforced are apparently alluding to civil suits to get the money; even though they aren’t clearly saying that. Has this happened to a single person in this state? http://www.local8now.com/content/news/Do-red-light-camera-tickets-have-to-be-paid-385944371.html http://archive.knoxnews.com/news/politics/legislator-burn-your-red-light-camera-tickets-33c26513-bdd3-126b-e053-0100007faa35-381036031.html For the stories I have read, I get the impression that these traffic light/speed camera companies have the cities tied up in contracts that pay the companies an obscene percentage of the money collected and may even have minimums. How do you think cities allowed that to happen?

David, I have given the information to everyone from the first customer support contact to the CEO of Smith and Wesson. I have sent them pictures of the gun and the label on the end of the box. They have had the gun in their hands….TWICE. We have been going back and forth since December. They assure me it is a Performance Center model even though it says that nowhere on the gun; it clearly has it on the Website. I thought I was buying a PC model; that’s what the web site says. Clearly it is not. This is nothing more than a stock M&P C.O.R.E. https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/performance-center-mp-9l-pro-series-core

I just (December) bought a PERFORMANCE CENTER M&P9L PRO SERIES C.O.R.E. SKU: 178058. I never I thought I would say this about and Smith & Wesson gun; but what a disappointment. I don’t believe this gun ever saw the inside of the Performance Center unless it was on a cart passing through. I have owned several M&P’s and right now have a full Size 40, Compact 40, Shield 40, and two M&P rifles besides this 9 I just got. My full size and compact are off the shelf LEO guns from 2009 and have far better triggers than this disappointment I just bought. Those of you here that know me know I am a S&W fan boy to the max; so this is hard to say. I wanted this gun to be a competition range gun with an optic. This gun has been back to S&W twice without me attempting to fire a shot, and it still has not been fired. I told Customer support it had a terrible trigger, had no Performance Center marking and was not in a Performance Center box. I told them there must be a mistake; this is no PC gun. I truly believed they had sent me the wrong gun. They had me send it in and returned it with paperwork that said “No repairs required”. I was pissed. This trigger feels like its rolling across a gravel parking lot. I emailed back asking for a supervisor to call me. Five days later I got a call. After informing him of the issue he suggested I send the gun in for the Performance Center to evaluate. I explained that I just got the gun back from having been there. I didn’t see what good sending it in again would do. He agreed and said he would look into it. I told him that if I couldn’t get a Performance Center gun; I would like a refund if possible. He said he didn’t have the authority to authorize that. He said he would talk to the Performance Center manager and get back with me the next day. 7 days later I emailed them that he had not called. Their response was: “I am sure he will be getting back to you. Probably this week.” 11 days later I knew I wasn’t going to hear anything and I sat down and wrote a letter documenting everything and mailed it to the CEO and the Firearms Director of Smith & Wesson. The day the letters arrived there I got a call from a Supervisor. He said he just came from a meeting with the Firearms Director after he got my letter. He said he would take care of my issues. He ask me to send the gun in again. He said they don’t mark “Performance Center” on these guns, they don’t come in performance center cases; but it is a Performance Center gun and should have a good trigger. He said I didn’t need to explain anything with the gun; it was coming directly to him and he would take it to the Performance Center. He also said my gun was missing the C.O.R.E. marking. He said he would get the gun fixed and send a Performance center case, and give me a range bag for my troubles. 22 days later they shipped the gun back. The work order said “won’t fire” (That was never the issue). It also said Evaluate/Repair Passed Range Testing. Same bad trigger; nothing was done to it. A couple of days later I got a S&W aluminum case and range bag. (NOT a Performance Center case.) I have heard a lot of people lately saying that S&W Customer Support had really gone bad. Having to spend a hundred or two on an Apex trigger for a new Smith & Wesson is ridiculous. If the Firearms Director at Smith & Wesson doesn’t have enough horsepower to get his guys to fix a problem; my chances are slim to none. I’m disappointed and disgusted. … and stuck with a gun I don’t want.

The coroner in most places I’m aware of have sole jurisdiction over the investigation of deaths. They determine the cause and manner of death. The Police don’t do anything with a body until the Coroner releases it. If the Police want to make an arrest or the DA wants to file charges after a Coroner has called the homicide “justifiable”; they are certainly free to do that. The part I find troubling about this story is that even though the woman had "an extensive felonious criminal record”; she was free. And even though she was a willful participant in a violent home invasion that resulted in death; she was given a bond. It’s too bad that apparently in SC she can’t be charged with murder. She should be, and she is clearly a danger to the citizens and shouldn’t be able to bond out.

You would think this is common sense, and would not need instructions. But we have so many laws regulating behavior because people like this can’t even handle the simple task of carrying a gun without screwing it up.

For handgun; I use these: https://shop.actiontarget.com/content/b-27ncja-north-carolina-criminal-justice-academy-b-27-target.asp

Buds has them in stock for $1238. https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/90335/Beretta+ARX100+223+RFL+30RD

The options on that ARX 100 shows what a company can do when they really try to give their customers what they want. Barrel swaps with no tools, charging handle flips to either side, ejects either side, 3 mag release points, folding stock that fires while folded, spring loaded snap down sights, 4 picatinny rails, multiple sling attachment points, uses AR mags, minimal lube points and breaks down fast. I haven’t seen one, but the video makes it look very impressive. Kudos to the Engineering department.

I have the Extang e-max. Folds up, doesn’t touch the cab. I ordered it from Realtruck.com; took about 4 days, free shipping. Took about 30 minutes to install. https://www.extang.com/p-36823-emax-tonno.html

I still have the above problem. Multiple computers, different OS and browsers; all act the same since the upgrade. So if I’m the only one this is happening to… is there something in my forum settings that could be causing it?

The Feds have never put their stamp of approval on marijuana use. They could stop states like Colorado and Washington tomorrow. Sessions wants to enforce those laws; it appears to be unclear where Trump stands. (Although I’m sure he will make clear where he stands soon.) http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/politics/white-house-marijuana-donald-trump-pot/

I got an email back from Senator Ketron with the opinion of his legal department...

When will people learn? What a shame and a tragedy. I don’t know all the facts but I can’t think of a reason this isn’t reckless/negligent.

When you are traveling in circles like HST, Ranger, Gold Dot, etc., and you can get 50 rounds boxes of 40S&W for $16; that’s a deal. I pay almost that for range ammo and I would rather shoot Rangers. For me personally, based on what I have seen over 40 years there was no better self-defense or duty round than the Federal Hydra Shoks. But they are getting harder to find as it appears Federal is switching over to the HST. I recently ordered a few boxes of HST. I haven’t shot any yet, but if they perform as well and are as reliable as Hydra Shoks; I’m good. It’s crazy that all the stores are pushing these 20 round boxes that run around a $1 a round. You would think they would stock 50’s so we don’t have to order on-line.

And IMHO you are wrong. A Castle Doctrine doesn’t create a free fire zone. A presumption could be there, but a Prosecutor is free to attack that presumption. From the story I am assuming they were in the trailer and not in the cab. From the pictures in the story there is no access from the trailer to the cab and the trailer is not permanently attached. Pretty tough to make an argument he was in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm. However, if that wasn’t the case and they were entering the cab; you are right. And where are you getting this part you are adding about not having to be in the house or car, only have a reasonable belief entry was made? I don’t believe that. He couldn’t legally shoot them for stealing stuff from his trailer anymore than you could for someone stealing stuff from your yard or detached garage. However, it’s all moot(other than the discharging charge if it goes to court). Because he was absolutely justified in shooting the guy when he came back with a gun; especially when he started firing. Either he didn’t want to shoot him or he didn’t have the ability to shoot him. However, I’ll give the guy the benefit of the doubt on that because we don’t know any of the facts about that other than he was in the truck and the other guy didn’t just walk up shooting because there was a discussion about car keys. It would be interesting to know why he didn’t shoot the guy or even return fire while being shot at, and why no one was shot in an exchange that had to be just a few feet apart. As I have said before, I remember when you could shoot fleeing forcible felons. We need that back. Our legal system shouldn’t be judging people that are defending themselves against criminals committing a felony. We also had far less felons run when caught in the act as compared to today when everyone runs; they have no reason not to.

As soon as you tie your right to carry to the United States Constitution; you lose. To believe that you need to believe three things: 1. That the Federal government controls the safety of citizens even though they are not responsible for local law enforcement. 2. That the SCOTUS will someday proclaim that everyone in the country can strap on a gun and walk down the street. 3. That States Rights do not exist. They don’t, doubtful, they do. The state needs to step up first.