DaveTN

They did have a court order. How can you call this an armed robbery and blame the cops in CA for not committing the bar shooter who had committed no crime either?

I probably won’t live long enough to see it. Although they said yesterday Hillary may run again in 2020. But Bernie Sanders, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand and Elizabeth Warren are all the same...group of liberal losers that want to destroy the country. It’s not about me or you it’s about our kids or grandkids.

What do you suggest? I’m not arguing it’s a question. A family member requested the protective order in Maryland. You see members here blaming the cops in California for what happened at the recent bar shooting. He did not commit a crime, he was not arrested, he was not transported to a mental health facility, and he was not held for observation. (As some claim) Mental health people were sent to his house to talk to him; they did and determined there was no evidence to commit him or arrest him. Flags were there in the Parkland shooting and the pulse night club shooting. They weren’t acted on.

Well then, in a democracy we are in trouble aren’t we? I’m not saying you are wrong, but once the snowflakes and those that feel they need the government to support them, outnumber those who work for a living; we are hosed. Then it’s just a race to collapse. I thought we were headed that way prior to the last Presidential election. But along came Trump. I don’t feel as good about this midterm as some conservatives. I thought a much clearer signal was going to be sent; I was wrong.

I think they will pass the Supreme Court. The Judge can issue an emergency, temporary order based on the testimony of others until a hearing can be convened with the person in question present with council. At least this way the person can be free, able to get a lawyer and mount a defense, instead of being arrested on criminal charges. Unless of course the seizure is because of threats that lead to criminal charges. Is there a better way?

I don’t care if they demonize me or not. The only thing that can stop an active shooter is another active shooter. The body count is generally directly related to how long it took for the good guy with a gun to arrive on the scene. Outlawing guns will not stop criminals from getting them anymore than drug laws keep crackheads from getting crack. When you are mentally deficient and prepared to die; laws no longer matter. Those are facts; they can dispute them all they want but folks that have common sense understand that.

Absolutely. I don’t know all states laws, but I would guess it happens routinely in all states that have domestic violence laws. Simply claiming you threatened them, with no supporting evidence or witnesses is generally enough, and it happens all the time. If your wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend/family member, etc., claims you assaulted or threatened them, you can be cuffed and stuffed. They can get an order of protection keeping you from returning to your house and all weapons can be seized from your house. Domestic violence laws were changed in the 80’s and they are no joke. Unless you get into felony assault, most Domestic Violence charges are misdemeanors, but a conviction can result in you not being able to own firearms.

Here’s the short version: Would outlaw 80% or unfinished lowers that do not meet the definition of a firearm. Would outlaw the sale of “Parts kits” Would require that homemade firearms have serial numbers or an identifying mark. That a dealer be required to do that with a fee. That the weapon be transferred at the time it is done, with a fee. (Background check) Bans Possession or transfer of a firearm without a serial number made after 1968. (in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce) Requires that if the firearm is made from polymer plastic, 3.7 ounces of material type 17–4 PH stainless steel, on which the unique serial number or identifying mark is stamped or otherwise permanently affixed, are embedded within the plastic. Establishes a traceable database of homemade firearms. ...... I may have missed some. But you get the idea. This bill has zero chance of becoming law. It is simply to let the gun grabbers say they are trying to do whatever they can.

Absolutely, everyone should have a plan of what they are going to do when the cops arrive, or to keep from getting shot by another armed citizen. Part of that plan should be realizing that you will be in the highest adrenaline rush you probably have ever experienced. That can cause tunnel vision that makes you unaware of what’s going on around you. If you are aware that can happen you have a better chance of overcoming it. Cops or armed citizens don’t always arrive with lights flashing and sirens blaring; sometimes they are at the scene and just appear pointing a gun at you.

He was being served with an Extreme Risk Protective Order issued by a Judge requiring they seize his guns. The stories I see don’t say whether or not he is notified of that request or allowed to be heard. Probably like a domestic violence order of protection where no hearing is required or even offered to put someone out of their house. This is done a lot throughout the country on domestic violence calls. No real evidence required, simply the word of a family member. Isn’t this done in Tennessee? Forcible hold in a mental facility and confiscation of weapons? Seems I remember this happening with one of the “prepper” people.

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Yes, but it isn’t enough to worry about and you don’t need a FOID card to buy it. Like anywhere else its higher in the stores than ordered online. Most places that won’t ship to Illinois will ship to Tennessee. I do most of my shooting in Illinois, but buy my ammo here. Even though I’m not required to have a FOID card in Illinois to purchase ammo, most places won’t sell without one because they don’t know the laws.

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Correct, unless there is case law. “Under the influence” is different than the .08 which is a presumption you are impaired. From what I see there is no legal limit, and no requirement for the Officer to give you any tests. I would guess if charges were filed this would come down to a Judge or jury listening to both sides and making a decision. Like the carrying past a sign controversy, it would be interesting to know how many times this charge has been used when it wasn’t just an add-on stemming from other criminal acts.

He said “I was by no means plastered, but I was feeling the effects” so he was probably above a .08 BAC. Just like with DUI, most folks have no idea what a .08 feels like. If the use of deadly force is justified; it shouldn’t matter if you are intoxicated or not. EDIT: After thinking about it, being intoxicated might make you unable to articulate the justification for the use of deadly force. Mixing guns and alcohol is never a good idea. And carrying while you are drunk can get you arrested and result is losing your HCP. But I don’t see how being drunk would be an issue with criminal charges unless you weren’t justified in the use of deadly force.

Wow, that’s terrible. No details, so I’m just guessing here, but if he didn’t know for sure if the guy he was holding was armed or not; he couldn’t secure his weapon when cops arrived. It will come down to what the interaction was between the Officer and the victim. Guessing, based on the limited information given, and the fact the cop is in Cook County; I suspect there is a high probability the Officer will be charged. With attorneys suing businesses for not being able to stop an active shooter; more and more businesses will be hiring armed security. Making them not obvious to patrons or shooters, but identifiable to responding officers in an active shooter situation is going to require some planning/training or technology.

39-17-1321. Possession of handgun while under influence -- Penalty. (a) Notwithstanding whether a person has a permit issued pursuant to § 39-17-1315 or § 39-17-1351, it is an offense for a person to possess a handgun while under the influence of alcohol or any controlled substance or controlled substance analogue. (b) It is an offense for a person to possess a firearm if the person is both: (1) Within the confines of an establishment open to the public where liquor, wine or other alcoholic beverages, as defined in § 57-3-101(a), or beer, as defined in § 57-6-102, are served for consumption on the premises; and (2) Consuming any alcoholic beverage listed in subdivision (b)(1). (c) (1) A violation of this section is a Class A misdemeanor. (2) In addition to the punishment authorized by subdivision (c)(1), if the violation is of subsection (a), occurs in an establishment described in subdivision (b)(1), and the person has a handgun permit issued pursuant to § 39-17-1351, such permit shall be suspended in accordance with § 39-17-1352 for a period of three (3) years. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 39-17-1322. Defenses. (a) A person shall not be charged with or convicted of a violation under this part if the person possessed, displayed or employed a handgun in justifiable self-defense or in justifiable defense of another during the commission of a crime in which that person or the other person defended was a victim. (b) A person who discharges a firearm within the geographical limits of a municipality shall not be deemed to have violated any ordinance in effect or be subject to any citation or fine the municipality may impose for discharging a firearm within the limits of the municipality if it is determined that when the firearm was discharged the person was acting in justifiable self-defense, defense of property, defense of another, or to prevent a criminal offense from occurring. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In STATE OF TENNESSEE v. ANTOINE PERRIER there was no self defense.

But it would create a new government agency, employing people that can’t hold a job anywhere else. Dems love that.

With the Dems taking control of the house you will see a lot more of this in both some states and Fed. They know their nonsense won’t pass, or wouldn’t hold up in court if it did. They just want to claim they are trying to do something about gun control. Don’t forget they are liberals; violating the Constitution is okay with them. This does bring up an interesting point though. Employers can check your social media postings, especially if brought to their attention. We’ve seen a lot of people lose their jobs over FaceBook posts.

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Well then, if you can change the minds of gun grabbers you need to run for office don't you?

Was the guy in custody? Did they take him somewhere? Was he held for an observation period? Did he commit a crime? Did the state he was in allow them to hold him somewhere without committing a crime?

Thanks, I added 6 years and 75K to what I already had. It’s a “First Mile” the business agent said it’s owned by the same company that owns Murfreesboro Chevrolet. It appears to cover most everything the factory warranty does. It wasn’t cheap, but it wasn’t much more than the only internet site that gave me a quote. I feel better buying it from the dealership that would probably do the service if required.

Today is your day.

Just got back from Chevrolet. Got a full warranty.