DaveTN

Will the Police Director make sure the Police are there when innocent Citizens get mugged or car jacked and need protection from being killed? Of course not. If he could he would make sure they catch the car burglars he’s whining about. The law was passed to extend your right to protect yourself to your vehicle. The fact that he can’t control the burglaries doesn’t trump that. I have an idea… put them in jail after they tell you that….and keep them there for awhile.

Well that’s what you get when you allow a Federal Agency to decide what’s legal and what’s not. They decided they made a mistake and changed it. The legislature should decide what’s legal and what’s not; not the ATF. The ATF are idiots. If you think the reason for outlawing machine guns was because they could fire more than one round with each trigger pull; the ATF opinion makes sense. If you think the reason for outlawing machine guns was because of their rate of fire; the ATF opinion makes absolutely no sense. For the record I believe machine guns should be legal, and I believe the 2nd amendment gives us the right to own them. However, the government does not agree with me and I know that unless I meet all their requirements to own one; I will go to prison. No one respects the ATF…. No one. But let some idiot occupying a chair in an ATF office somewhere issue a letter some gun owner agrees with and all of a sudden they are the legit shot callers. It’s ridiculous.

If you couldn’t tell he was an idiot by his initial comments; you certainly should know it by his follow ups. He said he was only kidding about the nukes (We knew that) and couldn’t believe he was being called a tyrant. If he can’t believe he’s being called a tyrant for wanting to confiscate all semi-auto rifles and jail those that don’t comply; that’s the definition of being an idiot.

The history and the claims of those who claim to have the originals today, is interesting reading for both cars. One of the original Mustangs is supposed to be in Hendersonville, TN. https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/detroit-auto-show/2018/01/15/bullitt-owner-wont-sell-even-if-its-worth-4-million/1033958001/

Between gun confiscation and his comment about nukes; any hope of that happening is gone.

I think you are spot on with the .243. I’ve never shot a .270. .308 in a bolt action is heavy recoil for many men, let alone a kid. $1000 budget on the gun alone covers almost anything. I recently wanted walnut and high gloss blue. For the prices people were giving me on used; I just bought new. I bought a Winchester Model 70 Super Grade so I could compare it to my Remington 700 (haven’t got a chance to do that yet). I wanted .223 (for paper not hunting); they don’t have it in that so I got .243. It’s more than your budget, but there are plenty of options in that price range. I also had a problem finding gloss Leupold scopes. They are limited in what the offer anymore and I had to settle. My Remington 700 VLS 308 is a tack drive, but it’s heavy. And its laminate, not solid wood. The Remington 700 CDL is solid walnut, but the barrel is satin blue instead of high gloss blue. Good luck in your search.

Congressman Eric Swalwell wants to spend $15billion of taxpayer dollars to confiscate all semi-auto rifles and arrest those that do not comply. https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/11/16/democrat-swalwell-is-getting-torched-online-over-his-bizarre-defense-of-gun-confiscation

Good for him. There are more Chiefs and Sheriffs refusing to enforce gun law they think are unconstitutional; they get some, but not a lot of national media coverage. The left doesn’t want sanctuary cities for gun owners to become popular. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/04/19/illinois-county-votes-become-sanctuary-county-gun-owners/534840002/ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/no-sheriff-town-some-lawmen-refuse-enforce-federal-gun-laws-n185426 https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/340-sheriffs-refuse-enforce-unconstitutional-gun-control-laws https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/number-nations-sheriffs-refusing-enforce-unconstitutional-gun-laws https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/13/gun-laws-that-cost-two-state-lawmakers-their-seats-had-little-effect-study-finds Including those who call them Rouge Cops. https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2013/01/16/its-time-for-sheriffs-to-enforce-gun-laws-not-break-them/#4235ca077792

Yep, most of the roadblocks I have seen retired Officers complain about were put there by the individual agencies they retired from…,ID’s, qualifications, etc. From what I read about it; the Feds did this half azz.

If passed this would have to go to the SCOTUS. That would take a long time, and then they don’t have to hear it. Several states including Tennessee passed various Firearm Freedoms Acts, but I haven’t seen any movement on them in a long time. They challenge the Feds authority on intrastate gun issues. This will be a state’s rights issue. They can’t get it through the Senate and signed by the President anyway.

Best I can tell a HPA bill is still working its way through. Although I suspect your Democrats will kill that in the house. I don’t think you could get a repeal of the NFA through either party; certainly not enough to pass. I’m not big on the Feds and Federal Gun Laws. The states control most of what you can do. Until a SCOTUS decision upholding the right of all Americans to both keep and bear arms; I would like to see it stay that way.

They already do, and have for over 30 years I know of. They can either make up a story to have you arrested for DV, or just go get an order of protection and leave you out in the cold with no home. You will not be able to defend yourself until days or weeks later. I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen an order of protection used to keep someone away while the other half cleaned the house out. You think taking your guns gets someone upset, how upset do you think they are when they are banned from their home? Then the azzhats that allow this wonder why people (sometimes innocent people) are getting killed. It’s easy for them to justify it by saying “Well, he beat his wife.” Or “He threatened his wife” Until they find out that didn’t happen. Sometimes it’s too late. Our discretion on DV was taken away in the early 80’s. And it’s wrong. But the cops get blamed for what the legislature did. We now live in a time where if someone says you are threatening suicide or violence and a gun is involved; the guns will be removed. And everything they (DA’s and Judges) can do to make sure you don’t get them back will be done.

Correct. It appears that 39-17-1307 (e) (1) does not differentiate between a handgun and a long gun. I had to go look.

Wow! That video will be used in training all over the country. So much for a routine traffic stop. I bet that mini van driver had never backed up that fast in their life.

Tennessee did away with their knife restrictions. In Illinois you can carry an auto knife if you have a FOID. However, they allow locals to ban it. (Chicago) Of course once you move here your FOID is no good in Illinois. Tennessee allowed an HCP holder to have a loaded rifle in their car as long as a round wasn’t in the chamber. I haven’t looked to see what the status of that is now that you can have a gun in your car without a permit. I haven’t heard of anyone specifically having any problems with LEOSA. Here are the state requirements. https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/commerce/documents/post/forms/Fillable_LEOSA_initial_packet.pdf You will find that there are very few issues carrying in TN for most people. Like anywhere the issue is usually how the gun became an issue. Tennessee makes no distinction between open and concealed carry. But like anywhere if someone calls the cops on you they are going to stop you and check you out. Most of the discussion/drama surrounds carrying past a sign on posted property. We haven’t had anyone (that I know of) post here that they have been charged with that. It’s a fine only offense, ($500) but I guess there is a possibility of losing or getting your HCP suspended. I don’t open carry so I don’t worry much about it. A Murfreesboro cop told me they usually give a trespass warning when called, and then deal with it if it happens again. Tennessee doesn’t require you to inform an Officer on a traffic stop if you are armed. If I remember right you said you are a former cop; so that might impact your opinion on that. The pavement gets pretty dang hot in Tennessee during the summer.

Oh geeeez don’t say that. Then Mueller will be telling the new AG he needs two more years because some guy in Tennessee might be involved and they need a couple more years to check it out.

Wouldn’t what he said be more important than who reported it? I guess that little piece of information wasn’t important to the reporter. Wouldn’t a Judge signing a protective order decide if it warranted taking his guns? Did he do something that placed those in the home in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm? That’s a reporter tweeting. I don’t see where she added anything we didn’t already know.

Nevermind... found it.

No surprise there. Apparently the ATF is allowed to classify and make decisions about weapons and accessories based on how they are feeling that day. The way they are feeling now is that their boss wants bump fire stocks banned; so that is what they will do.

We don’t know what happened in that house or why. One story says his weapon was fired. We don’t know why or how. They didn’t go from zero to gun fire over hearsay; they appear to have done it over a shot being fired. I wouldn’t have any problem with knocking on the door and talking with the guy. I would let him know that him staying in the house with his guns is not an option and any attempt to do so would result in criminal charges, possibly felonies. No different than talking down someone on a domestic that says he isn’t going to jail, or that you don’t have enough cops there to take him to jail. Those people can usually be talked down unless large amounts of alcohol are involved. Of course that’s all arm chair quarterbacking and hindsight; which is what we do. He may have tried to shoot Officers and they acted appropriately; we don’t know. People are just pizzed because they were there to take guns. Last week they were pizzed because they didn’t take them or commit someone when they had the chance. Dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t. That’s normal though when everyone is judging you.

Of course I wouldn’t be happy. Would I pull my gun and engage them? Of course not I would either die or end up in jail. Protecting your family includes not doing something stupid and getting killed or sent to prison and leaving them to fend for themselves. I don’t have a high opinion of our legal system. Remember me? I’m the one that says you will get exactly as much justice as you can afford, and anyone that thinks they are innocent until proven guilty probably hasn’t been cuffed, stuffed, and booked. It is flawed and there are bad cops. I know that, acknowledge it and have taught my children how to survive it. The opinions I give here are more to give a person insight on how to keep from getting arrested and going to trial, as opposed to some with no legal experience who think because they read the law they can advise someone how to beat charges at trial; that’s generally a loss. But those types of opinions are usually more popular than mine. You and I agree on most things including politics and guns; but we are 180 degrees opposed on law enforcement. I never had to violate someone rights to arrest them or get a conviction and don’t believe it would be required today. However, I doubt you and I would agree on what those rights are. Good cops make mistakes…period. Will they be fired? Of course not if those mistakes were innocent. If they were intentional or criminal; absolutely they should be held accountable. Are they always? Nope. I have plenty of ideas that would help cops work better with the community and have a better reputation. They aren’t anything earth shattering that hasn’t been presented before. You have to remember that Police Departments can be day and night different; even in the same state or county. You have to also realize that some people hate cops no matter what they do and some people just hate anyone in authority. No one will ever change those people minds. I watched that whole series; it was like 10 or 12 hours. How accurate was it? I have no idea. I know they showed that a couple of cops planted evidence. Did that happen? I don’t know; it could have. There are plenty of cases of cops lying or planting evidence. It happened to me. Am I bitter about it? I’m bitter that one criminal SOB that was pissed at me lied. But I couldn’t prove it and it took several years before he was caught, arrested, and fired for doing it to someone else. All the cops on that department weren’t bad.

Some duct tape and a good hard drive recovery program will fix those up good as new.

I don’t see where due process didn’t happen here. A family member instigated this, not the cops. We have no idea what they claimed. But a Judge heard it and issued the order, same as a warrant. The man could have then went to court and argued his case. That is due process. Subpoenaing someone to court because you are going to have a hearing about confiscating their guns won’t work. It’s not just the mentally ill, domestic violence calls are very dangerous for everyone involved. They are very emotional; and they can turn deadly quick; for both cops and citizens. I know I’ve seen it too many times firsthand. I’ve always said orders of protection are a problem. I’ve explained to people that they don’t protect them; they just allow the cops to arrest the person if they violate them. Too often when they are violated the offender and family members are dead. We can’t stop that any more than we can stop mass shootings. So do we do nothing? I don’t have the answers; only suggestions. But I have zero sympathy for anyone that directs violence towards another person. Whether that be family members, friends, or the cops dispatched to their house because they can’t handle their own family issues. As I’ve told my friends and family; the cops are not your friend. They are not social workers and they are not going to fix your problems. If you have a family member or friend that needs professional help; get it for them. Rarely will an arrest make that happen.

They did have a court order. How can you call this an armed robbery and blame the cops in CA for not committing the bar shooter who had committed no crime either?