DaveTN

I have not given up or traded anything; you don’t have to give up a right to have a privilege you buy. I fully understand that the state of Tennessee does not recognize the 2nd amendment as an individual right. However, it is better than many states and headed towards Constitutional carry. I am part of a “Special Group”. Unlike some who do not have the financial ability to pay for the classes and the permit; thankfully I do. That doesn’t mean I don’t believe that I have a God given right to be armed; I do believe that. However, the state does not agree with me and they will arrest me if I don’t comply with their rules. I was arrested in another state for no crime other than having a gun in my car. I went to the NRA for help; they refused. I was naive and thought I could take my case all the way to the SCOTUS and make some changes. I was uneducated about how those cases are handled and didn’t understand that being right is not enough. I don’t want to ever go through that again so I will abide by all state laws of the states that I am in. I can carry most anywhere I go and I will continue to pay for that privilege until it becomes a right. I feel for those that can’t afford it. But the state is moving forward, not backward as some imply. The recent change in the law allowing a gun in your car is an example. I am a firm believer in States Rights. And since the state and local Police and Sheriff’s departments are responsible for local law enforcement; the state makes the laws. I do not believe the Federal Government should be involved in deciding when, where and what I can carry, unless that involvement comes in the form of a SCOTUS decision acknowledging my right to bear arms as they have with my right to keep arms.

First degree murder? You have got to be kidding me. It’s not over eagerness or incompetence; it’s political on the part of the DA and the Mayor. Which makes it malicious prosecution. It’s time for the state AG to step in, and if he doesn’t the Feds need to step in. Of course no one will step in and do what’s right because they are willing to sacrifice a cop. Metro cops need to walk off the job.

I don't know whats up with these youngsters. I like to keep up on tech and have the most recent advancements. They would have no problem using my stuff.

Always good to see American gun manufacturers coming out with new guns.

The story says the gun discharged when it hit the door as they were trying to get out. I think we can all agree if he had his finger on the trigger it was his fault; if he didn’t, it wasn’t. The good news is the Officer is out of the hospital and expected to fully recover and return to work.

We should learn from what’s going on there; and they should learn from what happened at Kent State here. Yes, Americans have shot and killed innocent people at protests. Generally today you have both lethal and “less lethal” designated Officers. This is why they call it “less lethal” instead of “Non-lethal”. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6593807/Shocking-video-shows-fireman-Yellow-Vest-protestor-shot-head-French-police.html

I don’t belong to any audio forms yet so I thought I would throw this out here. If you know of any good forums please let me know. I added a “Sound Blaster Z” (SB1500) Series sound card to my Dell XPS 8500 running Windows 10 version 1809. I disabled the on-board sound and have the card working. I use Plantronics Backbeat Pro 2 Bluetooth headphones. My computer has on-board Bluetooth and prior to adding this card, when I turned the headphones on, they “connected” and turned the speakers off. They don’t do that now. They say they are “connected” but no sound comes through them, sound is still through the speakers. I can get them to work by going into the windows control panel and picking them; but that’s a hassle. Anyone here run into this before?

Because Chicago is in Illinois (unfortunately for the rest of the state) and Illinois has carry permits.

I don’t have a problem with him being removed for incompetence. But he was elected by the citizens of Broward County. I have a problem with any elected official being removed without due process. You know yourself that BSO can operate without him there; it’s not an emergency. I don’t believe that there is no one qualified in BSO to take Command while they take Israel before the state legislature and impeach him.

That may be the perception, but its non-sense. (In my opinion without knowing much about BSO now) Israel was only there 5 years. The top three Command Officers shown here have around 30 years each experience in Broward County. (The rest don’t list any information) https://www.sheriff.org/Administration/Pages/Executive-Command-Staff.aspx I just don’t feel good about a politician taking out an elected official that is not accused of or charged with a crime. They should have to impeach him. I also can’t blame a Sheriff because a deputy is a coward. I’ve seen it happen with cops that I know with absolute certainty weren’t trained that way. It’s easy for people that have never worked as a Police Officer to jump to the conclusion he wasn’t properly trained. I guess that’s possible, but I find that hard to believe. I’d be curious to hear the comments of other BSO deputies on that. Of course we won’t hear that because the only ones that will talk are the ones that aren’t employed there anymore. But surprisingly; no one from Florida checked with me before they did this.

He has an apartment in Boca Raton (Palm Beach County) and a residence in Greenville SC. He didn’t retire; he did 12 years on Coral Springs PD and quit to run his own business doing active shooter training. It just appears to me that his choice for a Sheriff of a department with 5400 employees was more about politics than it was about law enforcement.

So…there was no one in BSO or even any law enforcement people that live in Broward County that could fill this position until an election can be held? That has to be a blow to morale.

Would have been faster.. https://www.wikihow.com/Dial-a-Rotary-Phone

I have a Craftsman. I don’t use it a lot, but I’ve had it for years and it’s always done the job. It seems well made for a low cost drill press.

It defines due process that is not in place now. It requires a hearing that day, or the next business day on a protection request. It requires a hearing within 14 days if an order is issued. It requires witnesses to testify under oath. If firearms have been seized, and then the order is vacated; it directs the court to issue an order to law enforcement agencies to return the firearms. These protections and requirements (for the accused) are not in place now. What’s the problem with this bill?

I have no problem with what you say as long as that is made clear to Officers before they take the job. If they are expected to wait until the gun is pointed at them; tell them that. That is what this case is telling them. (And that is not a requirement) They are having trouble getting good people that want to be cops. Let’s see how that works. As a citizen that respects the Police I see that as a big problem. The people deserve good law enforcement; it needs to protect us not violent offenders. But be aware that if cops are held to that standard; you will be also. Cops are required to move towards the danger; not away. Citizens don’t have that requirement, so we will be headed back towards “Duty to retreat” for citizens; because that’s what you want for cops. Being a cop is a violent business. You go into it knowing you will be hurt; you don’t expect to be killed. I’m furious that that judge used that video to say it wasn’t clear if the criminal pointed his gun at the Officer or not. That BS; it’s not required and if that video isn’t clear; it should be thrown out. If that video didn’t exist; there would be no trial. But apparently with that video officials feel they can sit around and try to decide if that criminal pointed his gun at that Officer. I can’t believe that will ever stand. A Sheriff is facing dismissal, a Deputy was fired and many are calling for criminal prosecution because the Deputy didn’t act fast enough. 14 kids and 3 staff members were killed, 17 others wounded. But hey, the criminal is alive and well. Cops are required to act. If a gunman not following lawful orders to disarm dies; so be it. I have a niece that was sworn in as a Police Officer Wednesday. I hope the officials in her area don’t side with the violent criminals. This case is malicious prosecution. I’m all for discussing the problems with Policing. And I’m all for charging Police Officers when they commit a crime. But when someone has a gun in their hand, and they are being ordered by someone they know to be a Police Officer to drop it, and they refuse; deadly force is justified. I don’t have an “Us vs. them mentality”, I have a right vs. wrong mentality”.

I remember reading it and hearing it on he news. I believe had he not shot the perp the perp would have shot him or tried. I don’t see how anyone can expect a cop or a citizen to wait until the gun is pointed at them. You are trained that can get you killed. It bothers me because if I was chasing him, he had a gun in his hand, was refusing my orders to stop, and nearing cover; I would have shot him if I knew I could do so without hitting any innocent bystanders. Apparently the DA and Mayor in Davidson County would want me charged with murder.

Chuck, one night myself and another Officer was dispatched to a business on a burglar alarm. It was a business where the alarm went off a lot and was always false. As I approached the building I could see from the street people in the building. The other Officer was right behind me. I blacked out and rolled into the lot. They had seen me and took off running for the door. The first suspect went out the door and I gave chase on foot. The other Officer put his squad on the door and blocked the 2nd suspect inside. 2 white males that appeared to be adults. We ran across the street (about 100 yards) and into a wide open field. A short distance into the field the suspect stopped and turned and faced me. He was pulling something out of his waistband that I thought was a gun; but I was not absolutely sure. My choice was to do something or wait to see what he was doing. I fired a warning shot into the ground feet in front of him. It went through my mind that we had a department policy against firing warning shots, but my only other option was to kill him. When I did that he turned around and continued to run. At that time we could shoot fleeing forcible felons; burglary was a forcible felony. As we crossed the field he was approaching a building. My thought was that if he made it to that corner; he had cover to shoot me. I fired at him. The bullet hit the corner of the building as he went around the corner. Other Officers had arrived and were coming around the other end of the building. As I rounded the corner those Officers had him at gunpoint and he had his hands in the air. He had no gun. When I asked him what he was pulling out of the front of his pants he said he didn’t have anything. Turns out he was a 16 year old juvenile, home on leave from reform school. He was taken to HQ by other Officers and turned over to Juvenile Officers. Command Officers came to the scene to see what happened with the shooting. When I told them what happened one of them said “We have a department policy against warning shots.” I replied with “Screw that, department policy won’t save me if I’m on trial. I have to be able to use anything I have to keep from killing someone; that is what I did.” As we were getting ready to leave, the Juvenile Officer radioed us and told us to stay there, he was sending the Fire Department out; they would explain. When they arrived they said “your suspect threw a gun on the roof.” They pulled a loaded 6” Model 66 off the roof. The 16 year old told the Detectives when he turned on me; he was going to shoot me. He didn’t expect me to fire so he ran for cover. He saw the other Officers approaching from the other way and knew he was caught. Otherwise he would have shot me once he got to cover. As he rounded the corner they weren’t there yet and he threw the gun on the roof. They never saw the gun. I am alive today because I violated department policy and fired my weapon. So is he, because if I hadn’t been in a wide open field, if there had been people around; I would have shot him. Even though he never got a chance to point his gun at me; one of us would have probably been dead when I rounded that corner. After that incident our department policy was changed. I didn’t make him burglarize that building; I didn’t make him run, I didn’t make him have a gun, and I didn’t make him try to kill me. He did all that because he was a dirt bag criminal with no regard for life. The protection of violent criminals has gone too far. Law abiding citizens and cops that have to use deadly force to protect themselves from dirt bag criminals should have that protection; not them. So having been in the same situation this is very personal for me. By the time you see the weapon pointed at you; it’s too late. I feel terrible that the officials have turned their back on this Police Officer, and all other Police Officers, and sided with a thug carrying a gun. It’s reasonable to believe he would have shot the Officer. Yes, he will probably he acquitted. But he or no other Officer or citizen should have to go through what is being done to him.

Short meeting; no one is moving.

Trump is negotiating with congressional leaders today. This is a priority for them. I would bet if any real negotiations take place; support for this is on the table.

I think a lot of its social media. I also think for some crimes it is because the public could see themselves or their kids committing the same crime. Fleeing in a vehicle is an example. People fleeing in a vehicle are putting the public in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm. It should be a felony with mandatory jail time. But it’s tough to get that passed; because parents can see their kids doing it. I think they think the same thing about people running on foot from the cops; they can see their kids doing it. They don’t understand that adding your kid pointing a gun at a cop or citizen is no longer just running from the cops.

Could get interesting then.

He isn't the Police Chief; he is the Sheriff. Police Chiefs are generally appointed; Sheriffs are generally elected by the people.

Who knows? I wonder what the procedure is for removing an elected Sheriff?

Unfortunately for this Officer I expect he will be going to trial. This is not good for cops or citizens. This Judge went into detail about why the Officer was stopping this guy. It doesn’t matter…period. The Officer could have started chasing the wrong guy, but at the point the criminal pulled a gun; nothing prior to that matters. She also didn’t think the video was clear that the criminal pointed the gun at the Officer. That also isn’t required. And if the video isn’t clear it should be thrown out. Her ruling was as ignorant as people that rant about someone getting shot after pointing a gun at cop on a traffic stop and then saying “He got killed over a speeding ticket!” No he got killed for pointing a gun at a cop; and that’s what happened here. However, I don’t think much can be done about the Judge’s ruling because all she is doing is sending it to a Grand Jury. Would a reasonable person (That will be a jury) believe that they were in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm if they were in this situation? A person with a gun visible in his hand running from a uniformed Police Officer, who was giving him commands to stop, and the criminal is close to having cover. I don’t see how 12 people could come to a unanimous verdict that the Officer was guilty of anything. But in these times; who knows.