DaveTN

Nothing happens. Nothing is changing for them.

Without a doubt. I’m in that category now. The other thing to consider is many folks or their friends have property they can shoot on and don’t need a range.

Ha, Ha, Ha, It didn’t take long to get rid of that “No Fee” business. Here is the full text…

I don’t think the problem is that there aren’t enough indoor gun ranges, or gun dealers. The problem seems to be there isn’t a big enough market for all of them to survive.

I wouldn’t wait. There are no legalities keeping them from returning property to its owner. Waiting could cause the property to become involved in a bankruptcy, if there is one. I’m not saying anyone is a thief. I’m saying that I wouldn’t wait long if I didn’t get a response. Who knows maybe he has been in contact with the people that had guns on consignment, and has returned them. That probably won’t make the news.

Exactly It doesn’t appear to be clear. If it is clear, what makes you think they couldn’t have it on their person? If you feel the need to put it in a locked container either; don't take it or put it in the trunk. Because at that point the law (carry in a car) we are discussing no longer applies.

More info at that link. My guess is that like any machining facility, if you aren’t skilled trade you have a chance to get in there and become a Machinist or a CNC operator. Then if they won’t pay you someone will. It’s tough to even find people that will come to work everyday. I’m sure they are hiring from the TN VocTech centers like everyone else, and will pay more for someone with some real experience.

It would bother me enough that I would go there and ask to speak with a Command Officer, not rely on what someone that really doesn’t know said in a phone call. (Not saying that’s what happened; but folks usually make the mistake of calling) I would have the printed law and have a calm conversation with them about why they were saying that. That could very well settle the problem right then. The problem is that United States Code makes it illegal for an FFL to transfer a handgun to someone under 21. If a Police department or Sheriff’s department, supported by the DA wanted to make the case it is therefore unlawful in a private sale; a court would have to decide that. That argument has been made before, I have no way of knowing if there is case law in Tennessee on it. This would be a good question for the Tennessee AG. However an AG opinion is not law and is not binding on the court. But it would certainly help. My own opinion, which is worth absolutely nothing, is that because Federal law address both FFL and “anyone” in separate statutes with different ages; their intent was to ban the sale of a handgun to anyone under 18 and let the state decide on 18-20. Because the Tennessee law that allows this (39-17-1307) has the text “Is not prohibited from possessing or receiving a firearm by 18 U.S.C. § 922(g) or purchasing a firearm by § 39-17-1316” an argument could be made that 39-17-1316 makes it illegal (Background Check)for anyone under 21 to purchase a handgun from a dealer; and therefore can’t carry in a car. Tennessee lawmakers should have made it clear what their intent was. Below is the pertinent text of the following… 1. 39-17-1307 allowing carry in a car (gives an exception) 2. 18 U.S.C. § 922(g) (quoted in 39-17-1307) disqualifying firearms possession in federal law 3. 39-17-1316 (quoted in 39-17-1307) mainly requirements for FFL’s. 4. 18 U.S.C. § 922(b)(1) makes it illegal for an FFL to transfer a handgun to anyone under 21. 5. 18 U.S.C. § 922(x) makes it illegal for an anyone to transfer a handgun to anyone under 18. 6. What the ATF has to say about the age issue. (Carries no legal weight) 39-17-1307. Unlawful carrying or possession of a weapon. (a) (1) A person commits an offense who carries, with the intent to go armed, a firearm or a club. (2) (A) The first violation of subdivision (a)(1) is a Class C misdemeanor, and, in addition to possible imprisonment as provided by law, may be punished by a fine not to exceed five hundred dollars ($500). (B) A second or subsequent violation of subdivision (a)(1) is a Class B misdemeanor. (C) A violation of subdivision (a)(1) is a Class A misdemeanor if the person's carrying of a handgun occurred at a place open to the public where one (1) or more persons were present. (b) (1) A person commits an offense who unlawfully possesses a firearm, as defined in § 39-11-106, and: (A) Has been convicted of a felony crime of violence, an attempt to commit a felony crime of violence, or a felony involving use of a deadly weapon; or (B) Has been convicted of a felony drug offense. (2) An offense under subdivision (b)(1)(A) is a Class B felony. (3) An offense under subdivision (b)(1)(B) is a Class C felony. (c) (1) A person commits an offense who possesses a handgun and has been convicted of a felony unless: (A) The person has been pardoned for the offense; (B) The felony conviction has been expunged; or (C) The person's civil rights have been restored pursuant to title 40, chapter 29, and the restoration order does not specifically prohibit the person from possessing firearms. (2) An offense under subdivision (c)(1) is a Class E felony. (d) (1) A person commits an offense who possesses a deadly weapon other than a firearm with the intent to employ it during the commission of, attempt to commit, or escape from a dangerous offense as defined in § 39-17-1324. (2) A person commits an offense who possesses any deadly weapon with the intent to employ it during the commission of, attempt to commit, or escape from any offense not defined as a dangerous offense by § 39-17-1324. (3) (A) Except as provided in subdivision (d)(3)(B), a violation of this subsection (d) is a Class E felony. (B) A violation of this subsection (d) is a Class E felony with a maximum fine of six thousand dollars ($6,000), if the deadly weapon is a switchblade knife. (e) (1) It is an exception to the application of subsection (a) that a person is carrying or possessing a firearm, loaded firearm, or firearm ammunition in a motor vehicle or boat if the person: (A) Is not prohibited from possessing or receiving a firearm by 18 U.S.C. § 922(g) or purchasing a firearm by § 39-17-1316; and (B) Is in lawful possession of the motor vehicle or boat. (2) (A) As used in this subsection (e): (i) "Boat" means any watercraft, other than a seaplane on the water, designed and used primarily for navigation or transportation on the water; and (ii) "Motor vehicle" has the same meaning as defined in § 55-1-103. (B) This subsection (e) shall not apply to a motor vehicle or boat that is: (i) Owned or leased by a governmental or private entity that has adopted a written policy prohibiting firearms, loaded firearms, or firearm ammunition not required for employment within the motor vehicle or boat; and (ii) Provided by such entity to an employee for use during the course of employment. (f) (1) A person commits an offense who possesses a firearm, as defined in § 39-11-106(a), and: (A) Has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921, and is still subject to the disabilities of such a conviction; (B) Is, at the time of the possession, subject to an order of protection that fully complies with 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8); or (C) Is prohibited from possessing a firearm under any other state or federal law. (2) If the person is licensed as a federal firearms dealer or a responsible party under a federal firearms license, the determination of whether such an individual possesses firearms that constitute the business inventory under the federal license shall be determined based upon the applicable federal statutes or the rules, regulations and official letters, rulings and publications of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives. (3) For purposes of this section, a person does not possess a firearm, including, but not limited to, firearms registered under the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. § 5801 et seq.), if the firearm is in a safe or similar container that is securely locked and to which the respondent does not have the combination, keys or other means of normal access. (4) A violation of subdivision (f)(1) is a Class A misdemeanor and each violation constitutes a separate offense. (5) If a violation of subdivision (f)(1) also constitutes a violation of § 36-3-625(h) or § 39-13-113(h), the respondent may be charged and convicted under any or all such sections. History Acts 1989, ch. 591, § 1; 1990, ch. 1029, § 6; 2007, ch. 412, § 1; 2007, ch. 594, § 3; 2008, ch. 1166, § 1; 2008, ch. 1176, § 1; 2009, ch. 431, § 1; 2009, ch. 455, § 6; 2010, ch. 793, § 1; 2012, ch. 726, § 1; 2014, ch. 647, §§ 4, 5; 2014, ch. 870, § 1; 2017, ch. 202, § 1; 2017, ch. 475, § 1; 2018, ch. 903, §§ 2, 4. TENNESSEE CODE ANNOTATED © 2019 by The State of Tennessee All rights reserved *************************************************************************** **************************************************************************** 39-17-1316. Sales of dangerous weapons -- Certification of purchaser -- Exceptions -- Licensing of dealers -- Definitions. (a) (1) Any person appropriately licensed by the federal government may stock and sell firearms to persons desiring firearms; however, sales to persons who have been convicted of the offense of stalking, as prohibited by § 39-17-315, who are addicted to alcohol, who are ineligible to receive firearms under 18 U.S.C. § 922, or who have been judicially committed to a mental institution pursuant to title 33 or adjudicated as a mental defective are prohibited. For purposes of this subdivision (a)(1), the offense of violation of a protective order as prohibited by § 39-13-113 shall be considered a "misdemeanor crime of domestic violence" for purposes of 18 U.S.C. § 921. (2) The provisions of this subsection (a) prohibiting the sale of a firearm to a person convicted of a felony shall not apply if: (A) The person was pardoned for the offense; (B) The conviction has been expunged or set aside; or (C) The person's civil rights have been restored pursuant to title 40, chapter 29; and (D) The person is not prohibited from possessing a firearm by § 39-17-1307. (b) (1) As used in this section, "firearm" has the meaning as defined in § 39-11-106, including handguns, long guns, and all other weapons that meet the definition except "antique firearms" as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921. (2) As used in this section, "gun dealer" means a person engaged in the business, as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921, of selling, leasing, or otherwise transferring a firearm, whether the person is a retail dealer, pawnbroker, or otherwise. (c) Except with respect to transactions between persons licensed as dealers under 18 U.S.C. § 923, a gun dealer shall comply with the following before a firearm is delivered to a purchaser: (1) The purchaser shall present to the dealer current identification meeting the requirements of subsection (f); (2) The gun dealer shall complete a firearms transaction record as required by 18 U.S.C. §§ 921-929, and obtain the signature of the purchaser on the record; (3) The gun dealer shall request by means designated by the bureau that the Tennessee bureau of investigation conduct a criminal history record check on the purchaser and shall provide the following information to the bureau: (A) The federal firearms license number of the gun dealer; (B) The business name of the gun dealer; (C) The place of transfer; (D) The name of the person making the transfer; (E) The make, model, caliber and manufacturer's number of the firearm being transferred; (F) The name, gender, race, and date of birth of the purchaser; (G) The social security number of the purchaser, if one has been assigned; and (H) The type, issuer and identification number of the identification presented by the purchaser; and (4) The gun dealer shall receive a unique approval number for the transfer from the bureau and record the approval number on the firearms transaction record. (d) Upon receipt of a request of the gun dealer for a criminal history record check, the Tennessee bureau of investigation shall immediately, during the gun dealer's telephone call or by return call: (1) Determine, from criminal records and other information available to it, whether the purchaser is disqualified under subdivision (a)(1) from completing the purchase; and (2) Notify the dealer when a purchaser is disqualified from completing the transfer or provide the dealer with a unique approval number indicating that the purchaser is qualified to complete the transfer. (e) (1) The Tennessee bureau of investigation may charge a reasonable fee, not to exceed ten dollars ($10.00), for conducting background checks and other costs incurred under this section, and shall be empowered to bill gun dealers for checks run. (2) Funds collected by the Tennessee bureau of investigation pursuant to this section shall be deposited in a continuing deferred interest-bearing revenue fund that is created in the state treasury. This fund will not revert to the general fund on June 30 of any year. This fund shall be used to offset the costs associated with conducting background checks. By February 1 of each year the Tennessee bureau of investigation shall report to the judiciary committee of the senate and the criminal justice committee of the house of representatives the amount of money collected pursuant to this section in excess of the costs associated with conducting background checks as required by this section. The excess money shall be appropriated by the general assembly to the Tennessee bureau of investigation for other law enforcement related purposes as it deems appropriate and necessary. (f) (1) Identification required of the purchaser under subsection (c) shall include one (1) piece of current, valid identification bearing a photograph and the date of birth of the purchaser that: (A) Is issued under the authority of the United States government, a state, a political subdivision of a state, a foreign government, a political subdivision of a foreign government, an international governmental organization or an international quasi-governmental organization; and (B) Is intended to be used for identification of an individual or is commonly accepted for the purpose of identification of an individual. (2) If the identification presented by the purchaser under subdivision (f)(1)(A) does not include the current address of the purchaser, the purchaser shall present a second piece of current identification that contains the current address of the purchaser. (g) The Tennessee bureau of investigation may require that the dealer verify the identification of the purchaser if that identity is in question by sending the thumbprints of the purchaser to the bureau. (h) The Tennessee bureau of investigation shall establish a telephone number that shall be operational seven (7) days a week between the hours of eight o'clock a.m. and ten o'clock p.m. Central Standard Time (8:00 a.m.-10:00 p.m. (CST)), except Christmas Day, Thanksgiving Day, and Independence Day, for the purpose of responding to inquiries from dealers for a criminal history record check under this section. (i) No public employee, official or agency shall be held criminally or civilly liable for performing the investigations required by this section; provided the employee, official or agency acts in good faith and without malice. (j) Upon the determination that receipt of a firearm by a particular individual would not violate this section, and after the issuance of a unique identifying number for the transaction, the Tennessee bureau of investigation shall destroy all records (except the unique identifying number and the date that it was assigned) associating a particular individual with a particular purchase of firearms. (k) A law enforcement agency may inspect the records of a gun dealer relating to transfers of firearms in the course of a reasonable inquiry during a criminal investigation or under the authority of a properly authorized subpoena or search warrant. (l) (1) The following transactions or transfers are exempt from the criminal history record check requirement of subdivision (c)(3): (A) Transactions between licensed: (i) Importers; (ii) Manufacturers; (iii) Dealers; and (iv) Collectors who meet the requirements of subsection (b) and certify prior to the transaction the legal and licensed status of both parties; (B) Transactions or transfers between a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer and a bona fide law enforcement agency or the agency's personnel. However, all other requirements of subsection (c) are applicable to a transaction or transfer under this subdivision (l)(1)(B); and (C) Transactions by a gun dealer, as defined in subdivision (b)(2), making occasional sales, exchanges, or transfers of firearms that comprise all or part of the gun dealer's personal collection of firearms. (2) The burden of proving the legality of any transaction or transfer under this subsection (l) is upon the transferor. (m) The director of the Tennessee bureau of investigation is authorized to make and issue all rules and regulations necessary to carry out this section. (n) In addition to the other grounds for denial, the bureau shall deny the transfer of a firearm if the background check reveals information indicating that the purchaser has been charged with a crime for which the purchaser, if convicted, would be prohibited under state or federal law from purchasing, receiving, or possessing a firearm; and, either there has been no final disposition of the case, or the final disposition is not noted. (o) Upon receipt of the criminal history challenge form indicating a purchaser's request for review of the denial, the bureau shall proceed with efforts to obtain the final disposition information. The purchaser may attempt to assist the bureau in obtaining the final disposition information. If neither the purchaser nor the bureau is able to obtain the final disposition information within fifteen (15) calendar days of the bureau's receipt of the criminal history challenge form, the bureau shall immediately notify the federal firearms licensee that the transaction that was initially denied is now a "conditional proceed." A "conditional proceed" means that the federal firearms licensee may lawfully transfer the firearm to the purchaser. (p) In any case in which the transfer has been denied pursuant to subsection (n), the inability of the bureau to obtain the final disposition of a case shall not constitute the basis for the continued denial of the transfer as long as the bureau receives written notice, signed and verified by the clerk of the court or the clerk's designee, that indicates that no final disposition information is available. Upon receipt of the letter by the bureau, the bureau shall immediately reverse the denial. (q) (1) It is an offense for a person to purchase or attempt to purchase a firearm knowing that the person is prohibited by state or federal law from owning, possessing or purchasing a firearm. (2) It is an offense to sell or offer to sell a firearm to a person knowing that the person is prohibited by state or federal law from owning, possessing or purchasing a firearm. (3) A violation of this subsection (q) is a Class A misdemeanor. (r) The criminal history records check required by this section shall not apply to an occasional sale of a used or second-hand firearm by a person who is not engaged in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. §§ 921 and 923. History Acts 1989, ch. 591, § 1; 1993, ch. 372, § 1; 1994, ch. 1001, §§ 1-6; 1995, ch. 371, § 1; 1996, ch. 1075, §§ 1, 2; 1998, ch. 1071, § 1; 2001, ch. 396, § 1; 2005, ch. 482, § 8; 2006, ch. 920, § 4; 2009, ch. 102, §§ 1, 2; 2009, ch. 195, § 2; 2009, ch. 578, § 9; 2013, ch. 236, § 36; 2017, ch. 185, §§ 1, 2. TENNESSEE CODE ANNOTATED © 2019 by The State of Tennessee All rights reseved ********************************************************************************************* ********************************************************************************************* 18 U.S.C. § 922(g) (g) It shall be unlawful for any person— (1) who has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year; (2) who is a fugitive from justice; (3) who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)); (4) who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution; (5) who, being an alien— (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26))); (6) who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; (7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship; (8) who is subject to a court order that— (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had an opportunity to participate; (B) restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child; and (C) (i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or (9) who has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence, to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce. ***************************************************************************************************** *************************************************************************************************** 18 U.S.C. § 922(b)(1) (b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver— (1) any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than eighteen years of age, and, if the firearm, or ammunition is other than a shotgun or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than twenty-one years of age; ************************************************************************************************ ************************************************************************************************ 18 U.S.C. § 922(x) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer to a person who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe is a juvenile— (A) a handgun; or (B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun. (2) It shall be unlawful for any person who is a juvenile to knowingly possess— (A) a handgun; or (B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun. (3) This subsection does not apply to— (A) a temporary transfer of a handgun or ammunition to a juvenile or to the possession or use of a handgun or ammunition by a juvenile if the handgun and ammunition are possessed and used by the juvenile— (i) in the course of employment, in the course of ranching or farming related to activities at the residence of the juvenile (or on property used for ranching or farming at which the juvenile, with the permission of the property owner or lessee, is performing activities related to the operation of the farm or ranch), target practice, hunting, or a course of instruction in the safe and lawful use of a handgun; (ii) with the prior written consent of the juvenile’s parent or guardian who is not prohibited by Federal, State, or local law from possessing a firearm, except— (I) during transportation by the juvenile of an unloaded handgun in a locked container directly from the place of transfer to a place at which an activity described in clause (i) is to take place and transportation by the juvenile of that handgun, unloaded and in a locked container, directly from the place at which such an activity took place to the transferor; or (II) with respect to ranching or farming activities as described in clause (i), a juvenile may possess and use a handgun or ammunition with the prior written approval of the juvenile’s parent or legal guardian and at the direction of an adult who is not prohibited by Federal, State or local law from possessing a firearm; (iii) the juvenile has the prior written consent in the juvenile’s possession at all times when a handgun is in the possession of the juvenile; and (iv) in accordance with State and local law; (B) a juvenile who is a member of the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard who possesses or is armed with a handgun in the line of duty; (C) a transfer by inheritance of title (but not possession) of a handgun or ammunition to a juvenile; or (D) the possession of a handgun or ammunition by a juvenile taken in defense of the juvenile or other persons against an intruder into the residence of the juvenile or a residence in which the juvenile is an invited guest. (4) A handgun or ammunition, the possession of which is transferred to a juvenile in circumstances in which the transferor is not in violation of this subsection shall not be subject to permanent confiscation by the Government if its possession by the juvenile subsequently becomes unlawful because of the conduct of the juvenile, but shall be returned to the lawful owner when such handgun or ammunition is no longer required by the Government for the purposes of investigation or prosecution. (5) For purposes of this subsection, the term “juvenile” means a person who is less than 18 years of age. (6) (A) In a prosecution of a violation of this subsection, the court shall require the presence of a juvenile defendant’s parent or legal guardian at all proceedings. (B) The court may use the contempt power to enforce subparagraph (A). (C) The court may excuse attendance of a parent or legal guardian of a juvenile defendant at a proceeding in a prosecution of a violation of this subsection for good cause shown ***************************************************************************************************** ***************************************************************************************************

Buy one and do a heads up comparison against your Nightforce. (However....its a 1x8, not a lot there to compare, other than build quality) As some of y’all may know, I’m a USA made snob; when I can be. Trumps making the Chinese stop counterfeiting Leupold. So they need to find a legit market. I wouldn’t be in a hurry to put that kinda money in one. As someone that just retired from QA, I can say being QA’d in Montana only means it is being checked to the QA specs; not necessarily competitive to their other line. You need to be the guinea pig on this Chuck and let us know how it goes.

On the guns, it’s probably theft if they refuse to return them. It would depend on what the contract they signed says; could be civil. My guess is that the local PD could do as much or more than the ATF; and do it faster. They won’t wait on phone calls or emails; they will go to the homes of the owners, if they are still in the area. But ATF almost has to be involved in this depending on what they are doing with their license.

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/money/business/development/2019/04/30/range-usa-memphis-gun-shooting-closes/3626261002/ https://www.localmemphis.com/news/local-news/range-usa-customers-demand-refunds-following-unannounced-closing/1964879968

They told you no, an 18 year old can’t have a handgun in the car, or no, you can’t have a gun in the car without an HCP?

Prexactly

Looks good.

Chuck, The last picture from the back looks like it’s blued; the others don’t. Is that something other than blue or are you just a lousy photographer?

I think the best thing that could happen for gun stores would be for manufacturers to sell direct to FFL’s instead of going through distributors. I understand why they do it. But a distributor adds no value to the private end user; only cost. I can’t count the number of times I called a local dealer about a gun and they have told me they don’t have it, but can get it. When? Well they don’t know because they are dependent on their distributor who couldn’t care less about a single gun. If they could get online, check inventory and place an order; they would know when they could have it. Instead, I can get online and know when it will be to them, but they won’t get the sale; just the transfer. I’m willing to pay a local dealer a little more so he can make a profit, but not a ton more. But I won’t order with an open ended delivery date. I don’t need to go to a gun store and jerk them around to look at a gun I think I may want; and I don’t do it. I can decide by online information, videos and reviews. If I get it and don’t like it; I sell it. That’s the problem that needs to get fixed for our local gun shops. Not just telling us we need to pay them more and hope a gun comes in within a reasonable amount of time so they can stay in business.

We All think owning a gun shop or a range would be cool; and it probably would be. But there is a lot to think about. Your target market and where you are would be critical. Over the last few years we have seen it go from $15~20 a day to $20 or more an hour to shoot. It would be great if you could get enough of that business to stay open. But as more ranges open; can you do that? The outdoor range I go to went from $5 to $10 a day. I think that’s pretty reasonable for a range with a pistol range and a 300 meter rifle range. You might have to wait on the weekends for the rifle side. I mostly just shoot on private property anymore. Online sales have got to be hurting them. If you want a M&P or Glock, most shops have you covered. But many of us are buying guns after our basic needs are met that the stores don’t stock. You can’t blame them for that; they can’t all stock what the big box houses stock. Some are happy to get the transfer fee; some are not. My dream would be a monster range. Indoor range, outdoor range, pistol rifle, archery, with range fees low enough to keep people shooting and a gun shop that could match the online prices. I can’t afford the start-up, but I bet someone does it; we have two major players in the MidState that could pull it off.

An 18 year old can legally purchase (private sale) and possess a handgun in this state. They can’t purchase one from an FFL, but that’s federal law. That could change if private sales are banned. I can’t sell a handgun to an 18 year old because I have an C&R. 18 U.S.C. 922(g) (quoted in the Tennessee statute) does not address age, and deals with interstate commerce. But check with your local LE and see what they tell you. You are far more likely to get caught with a gun in your car than you are to have to use it.

Sure, but he’s about to become the poster child for inaction in Tennessee. Judging from the number of arrests I would guess first responders did their job. I would also make the guess that based on his previous record he was barred from firearm possession and could not pass a background check. So no red flag laws or laws other than those already in place would have been required to stop him. Apparently people were calling for help, but the system did not work for them. Some folks paid for that with their life. I would not be surprised if it was the same family members that asked for help before.

Cool... let us know what you think when you get it.

Probably; their web site and FaceBook is down.

Was the difference price to shoot or quality of the range?

What I’m interested in is a light that turns on and off with a push of a button in the tail cap; not the side. I like having the brightness level setting, with memory, on the side out of the way. I’m not changing brightness levels much and have no need for flashing or SOS modes.

No Red Flag laws were needed here; the laws were already in place. It appears to me the cops did their jobs, but the DA let this Tennessee community down and 7 people are dead with one more in critical condition. You gotta have people willing to put in the work and send these violent criminals to prison. It also appears to me from the news coverage that 7 dead and one wounded is not as important to the media as one dead, if that one dead is a suspected hate crime. I can assure you this mass killing in Sumner County was a hate crime. https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/7-dead-1-critical-in-westmoreland-suspect-shot-by-police-in-custody/1959766316

I may have to Be Like Mike. EDIT: you see this?? Shorter, lighter, brighter, and comes with a battery. https://www.fenixlighting.com/product/fenix-e30r-rechargeable-flashlight/