DaveTN

Duh! I’ve broke more than a couple of cutters figuring out how to cut stuff that wasn’t rocks from outer space. Someone machining rocks into something resembling a gun, let alone one that actually works; is amazing.

01-01-2020 BILL SUMMARY This bill renames the handgun carry permit that is available under present law as the "enhanced handgun carry permit" and creates a new "concealed handgun carry permit". The significant differences between an enhanced handgun carry permit and a concealed handgun carry permit are as follows: (1) An enhanced handgun carry permit does not specify the manner in which a handgun must be carried. A concealed handgun carry permit will only authorize the holder to carry in a concealed manner; (2) An applicant for an enhanced handgun carry permit must submit fingerprints, which are used by the TBI and FBI for criminal history background checks. An applicant for a concealed handgun carry permit will only be required to undergo a name-based criminal history record check; (3) An applicant for an enhanced handgun carry permit must present a photo identification. An applicant for a concealed handgun carry permit may present either a photo identification or other proof satisfactory to the department of safety showing the person's identity and residency; (4) An enhanced handgun carry permit must be issued on a wallet-sized laminated card and include, among other things, a color photograph of the permit holder. A concealed handgun carry permit may be issued as a letter to the applicant and may be issued without the applicant's photograph; (5) Subject to certain exceptions for persons who obtain firearm training through the military, a police academy, or armed guard instruction courses, an applicant for an enhanced handgun carry permit must submit proof of the successful completion of a department approved handgun safety course within one year of the date of application. Instead of completing a department approved handgun safety course, an applicant for a concealed handgun carry permit will be required to demonstrate competence with a handgun, which may be accomplished by various forms of experience, including, but not limited to, completion of a hunter safety course, completion of a firearm safety course using instructors certified by the NRA or department of safety, military service, prior issuance of a carry permit, law enforcement or security training, or any other firearm training that the department of safety deems adequate; (6) The application fee for an enhanced handgun carry permit is $100. There will not be an application fee for a concealed handgun carry permit; (7) An enhanced handgun carry permit is valid for eight years. A concealed handgun carry permit will be valid for five years; (8) An enhanced handgun carry permit holder who is within or on a public park, natural area, historic park, nature trail, campground, forest, greenway, waterway, or other similar public place is generally exempt from the present law prohibition against carrying weapons on any property owned, operated, or while in use by any board of education, school, college or university board of trustees, regents or directors for the administration of any public or private educational institution. Such exemption will not apply to concealed handgun carry permit holders; and (9) A local government may not prohibit an enhanced handgun carry permit holder from possessing a handgun on public property unless the local government provides a security system consisting of metal detectors and inspection by trained personnel for such property. A local government will not be required to provide metal detectors and security inspections in order to prohibit concealed handgun carry permit holders from possessing firearms on public property. ON APRIL 30, 2019, THE HOUSE ADOPTED AMENDMENTS #2 AND #3 AND PASSED HOUSE BILL 1264, AS AMENDED. AMENDMENT #2 revises various provision of this bill, as follows: (1) Requires applicants for a concealed handgun permit to submit two sets of fingerprints, which will be sent to the TBI and the sheriff of the county in which the applicant resides. The sheriff will provide the department with any information regarding the truthfulness of the applicant's answers to eligibility requirements, and the TBI will conduct searches and records checks as provided for in present law; (2) Revises the training requirements for the concealed permit (discussed above in (5) of the bill summary) to remove the reference to the NRA and instead refer to training that is conducted by a firearms instructor who is certified by the state or an organization specializing in firearms training and safety; to require that the training must have been completed no more than one year prior to the application for the concealed permit; and to remove the provision whereby proof of demonstrated competence will not expire. This amendment also adds factors that the department will consider to determine that a firearms training or safety course class meets the requirements of this bill in regard to the concealed permit; (3) Adds an concealed permit application fee of $65.00 (under this bill as introduced there was not fee for the permit); (4) Requires that the concealed permit be a laminated card instead of a letter and specifies the information to be included on the card; (5) Extends the provisions discussed above in (9) in the bill summary regarding regulation of permit holders by local governments to also apply to concealed carry permits; (6) Extends from five years to eight years the period of time for which a concealed carry permit will be valid; and (7) Changes this bill's effective date from "upon becoming law" to "January 1, 2020". AMENDMENT #3 adds the following provisions to this bill: (1) A clarification that the permit holder must display the permit on demand of a law enforcement officer; (2) Authorization for a state or local law enforcement officer, within the officer's lawful jurisdiction and when the officer is acting in the lawful discharge of the officer's official duties, to disarm a permit holder at any time when the officer reasonably believes it is necessary for the protection of the permit holder, officer, or another individual. The officer must return the handgun to the permit holder before discharging the permit holder from the scene when the officer has determined that the permit holder is not a threat to the officer, the permit holder, or another individual; provided, that the permit holder has not violated this section or committed any other violation that results in the arrest of the permit holder; and (3) A requirement for an applicant to provide a signed printed copy of a form provided by the department stating that the applicant has read and understands the current state law on carrying handguns.

Didn't someone get banned the last go around?

No...never were.

This is the BOS I use. But all that matters is you are happy and the person meeting you knows what you are going to require from them in advance.

No bill of sale is required. Some of us do it because we want to. You are required to know that the person is a resident of this state and of age. Since you have no way of doing a background check the requirement is that you can’t sell to them if you know, or should have known the person is prohibited from purchasing. I require a bill of sale, I don't require an HCP. It is a simple BOS with both our names, a phone number, and a statement that you are not a prohibited person, it doesn’t even have an address. I have it to cover my butt if someone I sell to is lying. I also have a C&R, so I can’t sell to anyone under 21. You always need to make it clear in the ad if you are going to require a BOS; some will not buy from you if you require that. I require a simple BOS, but that BOS you linked is ridiculous. You aren’t getting all that information from me; you don’t need it.

An Explorer (or any SUV) as a pursuit vehicle? No thank you. I remember watching a TV show where they had a competition between 3 vehicles for the best Police Vehicle. One of them you could open the back doors and wash it out with a hose. As a former cop, I was like Heck Yes!, that’s what I’m talking about.

I spent so much time at the indoor range I think my lungs are probably plumbeous.

I went though Boot camp and Navy Machinist Class “A” school in San Diego in 71/72. Lot of good memories. Like parties at Sunset Cliffs. From about 94-98 I used to go to Brea 4 times a year to teach training classes on EDM. I remember one day the guys didn’t come back from lunch. I asked our regional manager where they were. They are back there looking out the back door. I asked “Why?” and he said “Well Dave, it’s raining.”

.357. But I’m not looking for some high dollar collectable. I’m looking at guns in the ~450-600 range. As I said this will be a range toy and get shot. Until I get tired of it. I’ll probably go with a new Vaquero.

Because when you click on "Share" in Flicker and it shows you a link, there is also a tab at the top that says "BBCode" you need that. Under that it even lets you pick a size. I picked 800X450. Then it put that "Maico by Johnny Rotten, on Flickr" out to the side of the pic and I had to insert my cursor in front of that and hit ENTER to get it below the pic where it belongs. IMGUR is the cleanest, easiest to use right now; IMO. For forum pictures. Maico by Johnny Rotten, on Flickr

I have been kicking around the idea of a cowboy gun. I’ve never been a fan of single action and never owned one. It might be time for me to give it a try. I buy American made when I can. Besides the Colt, is the Ruger Vaquero the only American Made? At $1800 the Colt is out of the question. Looks like a new Vaquero would be $633 plus a transfer. A comparable Uberti is $453.20 plus a transfer. Other than being made here is a Vaquero worth $180 more? It appears Taylor and Cimarron are just importers for Uberti, is that correct? This will be a range toy; it won’t be used for home defense or cowboy action shooting (right now). I’d like to hear your opinions on these, or maybe I should be looking at others? Thanks EDIT: I was going to start another thread, but I'll just add to this.... [COWBOY GUNS] Blackhawk vs. Vaquero? I’ve never been a fan of single action revolvers, but I don’t have a “Cowboy” gun and have been kicking around the idea. I do not want to spend the money on a Colt. It would be a range toy and I’m looking at used guns in the ~$500 range. I have never owned either, but I see a lot of Ruger owners claiming the Blackhawk is a sturdier gun than the Vaquero. Is it? Best I can tell is the Blackhawk has adjustable sights. That’s an obvious advantage, but of course Cowboys didn’t have adjustable sights. I doubt I would ever get into Cowboy Action Shooting, but do they allow adjustable sights? Can you use a Blackhawk there? What say you? Pictures would be great and also pictures of Cowboy leather if you have that.

I wasn’t trying to imply you were. I see it like reloading; some people just want to do it regardless of the cost. Nothing wrong with that. I’m pretty sure that anyone that does their research and buys one of those knows they will probably end up in the Federal Home For Wayward Souls if they start selling them. However, AR’s are dirt cheap from the big boys right now, and there are a million garage builds available from Bubba for those that don’t like paperwork. Not really an attractive business right now.

Hence my comment "I don’t think that would be illegal; but you never know." They do whatever they want.

OK. But if I bought one of those they would outlaw 80% lowers tomorrow. I’m a Toolmaker by trade (Retired). I always said if I could retire and sit around in my underwear drinking coffee and making stuff; that would be great. Not quite there; I now sit around in my underwear drinking coffee and programming parts for other people (part time).

I wondered the same thing. $500 (if you already have a router) Isn’t something I’d be interested in doing, but if you want to be able to say you did it yourself it might be worth it. I also get tired of guns and have to keep the inventory moving; can’t do that with those firearms you make. But hey, we have all done stuff that didn’t make good financial sense, or just good sense in general. At least I know I have. I’ve thought about buying a used Bridgeport to be able to do that stuff from scratch. I thought that if you had an area set-up with all the tools, so all someone had to do was bring their own lower; you might be able to get your money back. I don’t think that would be illegal; but you never know.

I didn’t see this thread when I posted in your other one, so I'll just add this here. Not only a good review on the kit, but a very good quality video.

I don’t reload, so I had no idea what you were trying to accomplish. I did however like your Freedom kit review. Not only a good review on the kit, but a very good quality video.

https://www.thebeltman.net/ Best quality I have ever seen in a leather belt. (And leather is the end all, be all.) I have two that are over 10 years old and still going.

This forum will answer your questions. You can purchase a copy of “Tennessee Code Annotated” or you can simply use LexisNexis online. Many times the interpretation of the law is either confusing or simply wrong. It depends on who is interpreting it, and why. You are then left to make decisions on your own. There may be a book out there, but as fast as our laws change it would be tough to keep up to date. BTW…. Attorneys are not always right. They are one source you might want to use, but whether its this forum or an attorney, you are ultimately responsible for reading the law and deciding your course of action. Most of the Tennessee laws regarding guns are pretty straight forward. We don’t (at this time) have the whole Concealed/Open/Printing/Brandishing to deal with. That could be changing soon though.

I was going to get 2, but they have B2G1F. So I got 3. Be interesting to see the quality, that's hard to find in a T-shirt anymore, even from Harley.

The only thing more discussed and debated than brands of beer people like is brands of ammo, or caliber, or brands of guns, or something to do with carrying past a sign. Drinking my usual coffee this morning I now feel like I’m missing something.

Welp, I’ve had several beers now and this idea of combining my beers and coffee is sounding better all the time. I think it could possibly make for a more enjoyable day. I did do a search for this product on their web site. There are no purchase options for this product within 100 miles. So ….. making this change tomorrow probably is not going to happen. Time to go watch the Fireworks and see if the Donald has those tanks rolling through DC yet.

Is it a good idea that I get my caffeine and alcohol at the same time? It sounds like a great idea, and a real time saver.

Happy 4th of July. As many here I am not ashamed of my love for this country and do not apologize for my show of patriotism. Have a great day. After reading about the anti-American controversy between the democrats and Trump, and then Nine Line and Nike/Kaepernick, I went to the nine line website. I think quoting their tenents and call to action on this day is appropriate. I also think I'll buy some T-shirts.