TGO David

Gentlemen, please. We have the advantage of knowing Dolo and the reasons why he carries what he does how he does. Newcomers do not. From a practical perspective, take Dolo out of this equation and insert someone else. Our favorite dipstick Voldemort, or a quintessentially villainous looking middle easterner wearing prayer robes with a MOLLE decked plate carrier, or an angry-looking youth wearing all black and a trench coat. If you saw any of those people waltzing into a public area with an AK of any sort, you'd probably start moving toward an exit with your hand near your gun too. BUT, we do know Dolo and we understand the reasons why this meets his specific requirements. This thread might be a good place for him to copy and paste some of his previous explanations here for those who, like French, don't understand.

Bolded for emphasis! Really good idea!!

Right? I mean, leave it to the Germans. Theirs is one of a few languages in which you can shout "I LOVE YOU!" at someone and it sound absolutely terrifying.

I can relate to this. 20-something years of shooting the Glock 19/23 platform is really hard for me to unlearn despite how good other guns have felt in my hands. The M&P and the CZ P-07 come closest to feeling/pointing as naturally for me as the Glock does. I should have mine next week but you'll just have to trust me on the review. I doubt I'll be loaning it out, but you're always welcome to shoot it at the range with me sometime.

I think we used to have a member here who went by that as his screen name. Might still. It's such a great word. Edited to add... Yep, he's still an active member! @Schadenfreude

What ever ended up being the cause behind that fire? Any idea?

Thanks. That puts my mind at ease. The Guns & More folks are good people and I really hate that this happened to them. Unfortunately, events like these set the stage for us to to have discussions that I would *hope* lead to improvements for everyone in the future. Obviously we have quite a few gun shop owners and personnel on TGO, even if they don't announce themselves as such. What I hope that we don't become guilty of is simply Monday Morning Quarterbacking things or being critical for the sake of just being critical.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I said there are costs associated with being in business. For gun shops, some of those costs are currently optional. The more prolific these robberies become, and the trend does seem to be on the rise, I predict that those costs will be made mandatory by either the BATFE or by those underwriting insurance policies. Like I've said repeatedly, I am not throwing rocks at Guns n' More. This same thing has happened several times lately to other shops. Everything Weapons had draw-across security gates on their shop and a couple of scumbags took it upon themselves to defeat that by ramming a van through the storefront. The only way to make that more difficult is by putting stanchions in concrete across the building facade. And even then a determined crook is going to find a way in if he really wants in. My point is: Make your guns more difficult to obtain than some other nearby target of opportunity. How expensive is it to buy a length of steel cable and route it through all of your firearm trigger guards and then bolt that down to something in each display case, or anchor it to the floor or to the wall? But, being critical of what I saw in those photos of their shop, they have rifles hanging on peghooks on walls. I would guess they were too bulky for a quick getaway, and that's the only reason handguns were reportedly stolen, and not rifles. If you're not going to have any more physical security than plate glass windows, you probably should figure out other ways to make your firearms less movable.

Oh, I can't see this going terribly wrong for them at all. My suppressed schadenfreude is already tingling at the idea of YouTube videos exploiting the "drop-fire" issue for comedic value.

Here's my thoughts on this: It costs money to be in business. If you're going to be in certain businesses, it costs more money in certain additional areas than it does to be in other businesses. Online retailers are going to be a competitor practically regardless of what business you are in. That's a fact of life in the year 2017. Anyone who tries to ignore that should look at how former retail behemoths like Sears and K-Mart fared against online businesses by ignoring their potency. As for the subject of gun shops... ANY gun shops... being broken into and firearms being stolen from them: Any time it happens, more guns go into criminal hands and that plays into the narratives of bureaucrats everywhere. The same goes for folks who leave guns in their cars and don't take additional precautions to secure them in some way. If you're going to leave a gun in your car, there are ways to secure it against quick smash n' grab robberies. The same goes for firearms in stores or firearms left in your house when you aren't home. Again, I am not throwing rocks at Guns n' More. I have this gut feeling someone's going to accuse me of that sooner or later. Their misfortune is simply the impetus to talk about this.

A possibility for sure which is why I am not jabbing at them, but this has happened a lot lately to several stores. Guns and More is the latest. If I were a building owner, I'd insist that a gun shop in my property had enough visible security in place to deter people from wrecking my building for a casual smash n' grab like this. Of course not everyone thinks like I do and some building owners might throw a hissy fit about the necessary security facilities being put in place.

This is not a jab directed specifically at Guns and More but I am seriously coming to the point where I feel that any gun shop that doesn't secure their building from simple smash and grabs with draw-down security doors and other barricades are just as negligent as anyone who leaves a gun in their vehicle for it to be stolen. I can't believe that any insurance company will even write a policy for a gun shop that doesn't have adequate security in place to prevent quick break-ins like this.

As soon as I get my radio installed in the truck, I need to get involved with WCARES. The radio has been boxed up in storage since I parted with my Jeep Wrangler, so this project is long overdue. Back to my original inquiry, I've ordered the necessary hole saw, antenna mount and other gear and will probably tackle this one myself very soon. While the idea of drilling a hole in the roof my my truck almost literally makes my plums ache, I have come to the realization that if anyone else screws it up, it's just as screwed up. I trust myself to measure a dozen or so times before putting drill-bit to metal.

No, I have not had the time to organize it. Too many other things going on at the moment.

You just want to complain about how the gun feels again, don't you?

For the life of me, I cannot remember the name of the local Nashville company that does a lot of the police radio installations and will handle the drilling and installation of an NMO antenna base in the roof or trunk of vehicles. I'm sure it's something I could tackle myself with the right tools, but it's also something I wouldn't want to screw up. Do any of you know offhand? @Dustbuster do you know? Thanks.

Looks good, @C.lunn !

Was just coming here to post the same. For a someone who supposedly wasn't a "gun guy" he sure was well armed and knew what he was doing. The more details that come out, the more rotten this smells. I've been telling folks since Monday that it's not simple spray-n-pray shooting when you're doing it from an elevated position, 300-400 yards away, with crosswinds. There's more to this guy than they know or are saying, even if it's just that he was really, really well prepared and understood basic tactics.

Don't forget the fact that the photos from his room showed a rifle with a scope, and a rifle with a red-dot sight and one of them had a bipod. All of those things obviously made his evil more potent than it would have been if he'd just chosen to rent a U-Haul and drive it through the crowd, or filled it with fertilizer and diesel fuel and detonated it on the street outside, or just bought a chainsaw at the local Home Depot and run wildly through the crowd with it mowing down anyone who got within his reach.

Y'all just keep this in mind: When the fools that we as a country have elected regulate bump-fire stocks, they will have absolutely been given the keys to regulating how fast we can fire a semi-automatic weapon of any sort. Fully-automatic weapons have been regulated in this country since 1934 when the National Firearms Act was passed. They set the definition then of what was semi-automatic (one shot fired per trigger pull) and what was fully-automatic (more than one shot fired per trigger pull). Bump-fire stocks, while stupid and pretty much the domain of people who like shooting the dirt and throwing money out the window, are not fully-automatic weapons per the definition agreed upon in 1934. They still fire one shot per trigger pull. If this bull#### goes through and bump-fire stocks become regulated or outright banned, the podium will be prepped for the next round of arbitration. And the next. And the next. And it will keep going until you're allowed to have a single-shot, cap and ball musket ... if you're lucky... because that's what the crown feels is a safe rate of fire for us peasants.

This video came to my attention yesterday and I think it's pretty much spot-on. It doesn't matter if you think bump-fire stocks are stupid or if you don't have a need for one. Our freedoms aren't based on NEEDS. Our freedoms are based on RIGHTS. You should have the right to buy ridiculous crap for your guns and waste ammo as inaccurately as you want. If you're OK with them banning bump-stocks because it's a stupid accessory for a gun that you'd never own, you're demonstrating the exact same logic the Elmer Fudd types use when they say "Who cares about AR-15's or handguns or magazines that hold more than 10 rounds? As long as I have my hunting rifle, I'm good." It's not about what YOU want or like or would buy or want to shoot. These leftist law-makers aren't really going to be satisfied with that one slice of the pie. There's always another slice until there's no pie left. As a note, this video is posted via Facebook, so you may need an account there to view it. I do, so it wasn't a problem for me to watch or paste it here. Your mileage might vary.

More musings on the Las Vegas shooting... I am almost certain at this point that the lack of an obvious motive by the shooter is going to be used by the Left to further demonize gun owners. My gut tells me that we can expect to see the media and the hacks this country has elected to Congress begin using the lack of clear motive as a speaking point whereby they make their case that background checks don't work and that the only answer to the problem of evil people using tools to do evil deeds is to remove the tools from circulation entirely. In other words, they are going to declare that the lack of motive is the most disturbing point of all and is the reason why no one should ever have a gun or a gun of a certain type. They will say that it is proof that none of us can be trusted, despite the fact that this crime was committed by just one of some 7.7 Million estimated gun owners in the United States. The absurdity of painting with such a wide brush will, of course, be dismissed willfully by a public seemingly incapable of thinking for itself.

Yeah, he's made his hate for me well-known enough that I feel fairly threatened.

That does NOT surprise me at all.

Please don't take this as a personal jab at you. But, I do not understand the incredulity that everyone seems to be showing toward the fact that this guy lugged that much gear into the hotel by himself and that no one took notice of it. Seeing someone wheeling big luggage or containers into a hotel and to their room in Vegas is commonplace. There are so many concerts, conferences, trade shows and other performances in that town that you'd never be given a second thought even if you wheeled in something the size of an elephant. And as for how he got it to his room, he'd draw far less attention just by using the elevator and accepting help from the porters than he would if someone witnessed him lugging containers 32-flights up the stairs. Cleaning crews aren't going to pay a moment's notice to big containers or luggage in hotel rooms either. They generally don't WANT to know what you've got as it not knowing gives them plausible deniability. It's not called Sin City for nothing! And just because we haven't seen video footage of him carting this stuff through the hotel lobby and up the elevator, it doesn't mean the footage doesn't exist. You can't fart in Las Vegas without being on a camera. The only thing they have more of in Vegas than cameras is slot machines. Maybe! So that video exists, trust me.