TGO David

Had a Glock, liked the Glock, didn't care for the fact that you absolutely should not ever shoot reloads through it. Didn't care for the ****ty ergonomics of it. Didn't care for the compromises that Glock made for the sake of "reliability". Glock's idea of reliability is almost Soviet in design. The AK47 is not an elegant weapon. It's the automatic rifle equivalent of a pipe bomb. It gets the job done but it does so by having loose, sloppy tolerances so that you can pour mud through the action and still get it to go bang when you light the fuse... er... pull the trigger. That pretty much describes the Glock design philosophy to the tee. The mostly unsupported chamber allows a Glock to gobble up practically any ammunition; even ammunition that has no business being in that chamber. It's what allows them to cycle regardless of what you feed them and it's also what results in blown apart frames and bruised or bloodied hands. Me, I don't shoot many reloads yet but with the rising price of ammo I am sure I will start doing so soon. I'll pay attention to the way I dope the rounds, but mistakes can and do happen. Even with factory ammo. And when that happens, I'd prefer that my handugn take the brunt of the damage rather than my flesh. As for H&K's customer service... I've heard bad stories about everyone and I've heard good stories the same. One of the BEST customer service departments that I have ever dealt with is the one that Smith & Wesson has. Problem is, a few of their early production M&P automatics tend to get a lot of interaction with those service departments. If I never have to call H&K for something, that's going to be awesome. If I do, then I'll wait and see how their service department treats me before I get worked up over nothing. In the meantime, I'll have personal confidence in my sidearm and that's really all that matters. Well, that and the fact that it's not a Glock.

I decided to rename the Reloading Bench forum to "The Ammo Can" and change it to encompass not only reloading your own ammo but also discussing factory loaded ammo as well. We really weren't getting much traffic in it as just a reloading forum and I was concerned that another ammo related forum would likewise not get much use as well. If there ever comes a time that one subject really seems to be dominating the other, then I'll consider splitting the topics back apart.

Had a chance to put a few rounds through it today at On Target. Initial thoughts... Geez H&K puts a lot of grease in these guns at the factory Shoots about 2" low at 7 yds and did so consistently with three shooters Has a lot less recoil than my M&P 40 did I'm not going to gripe about it shooting low. For starters, it may not shoot low after I change out the sights for the Meprolights. Second, the sights may be designed for POA and POI to coincide at greater distance. At 7 yds the projectile really isn't even starting to rise on it's ballistic curve yet. Third, as long as I know where it hits (and it hit there with great repeatability) then I can accommodate for that with my POA. Awesome little gun! I'm very pleased with it.

Florida! I'm envious! I might go back to On Target tomorrow (Monday) if you want to meet up. I really didn't shoot either the Kimber or the P2000 much today. Just enough to get them both a little dirty but not enough to really learn the P2000's characteristics yet. The Kimber was... well... a Kimber. I won't need to do any more shooting with it except to cycle through my carry ammo every so often.

I like the look of the P220 Carry... but again, if I'm going to be round-count challenged, I'd rather be carrying a 1911 Commander.

The LEM trigger feels somewhat like a Glock, XD or M&P striker-fired trigger in that it is pre-cocked by racking the slide or by the action of the slide cycling. The big difference is that unlike those firearms, it also has the ability to fully cock and release the hammer like a double action firearm. This is their "second strike" capability that lets you deliver a forceful second try at a dull primer should it fail to fire on the first pull. I've always trained to tap & rack in the case of a dud round and would probably continue to do so. But the second strike capability is a nice tool and, as a former boss once said, one more "stick in our bag" of tricks. Some good reading on the LEM trigger can be found here: http://www.outdoors.net/site/features/feature.aspx+Forum+Firearms+ArticleCode+901

I had a USP40 back when they first came out. BIG brick of a gun. Loved it, hated carrying it! I really hadn't given H&K another thought until I started hearing more about the P2000... and initially I thought that the SK was the only model P2000 that existed. Color me stupid. Ultimately I'm sure it starts to become a Ford vs. Chevy argument when you get into the realm of H&K and SIG Sauer. You pick the one that appeals to you the most and run with it. My problem with SIG is that the good ones (all metal) tend to be too heavy and chunky for me to want to carry them. The P239 is the only real exception to that rule, and then you start getting to a point where the limited ammo capacity of that platform would throw it into a comparison battle with the 1911. And for me, the 1911 is gonna win.

Thanks for pointing out that this thread existed, Joe!

My "Evil Black Rifle" based off of a Bushmaster M4A3 clone. NATO 5.56 military / police marked BM upper and lower YHM Spectre free float forearm w/end cap Knight's Armament vertical fore grip Magpul MIAD pistol grip and enlarged trigger guard DPMS ambidextrous safety Magpul CTR butt stock ARMS #40L flip up rear backup iron sight SPOT 3MOA "Mall Ninja" Aimpoint knock-off sight LaRue Tactical Viking 2-point sling (not shown) Just think... I've owned this for several years now and it still hasn't assaulted anyone on it's own or otherwise. It must be defective.

I've got a M3X Streamlight that gets stuffed onto the end of the P2000 for bed-time duty, but I've nearly met my limit of Mall Ninja photo posting for the day.

Those mess-kit repair company guys are getting harder and harder to find. Glad you found us! Welcome!

For the past few months I've been trying to find the ultimate replacement for my old Glock 23. I loved that Glock. It was the perfect size for carry but not so small that you couldn't take it to the range and shoot the heck out of it without becoming fatigued. Unfortunately for the Glock, however, I became enlightened to the flaws of Glock's .40SW design shortcomings (in my opinion) and decided that I wanted something else. So I tried the Smith & Wesson M&P 40c and really liked it, but it was a little too small for me to just thoroughly enjoy shooting a lot at the range. Other than that, I had zero complaints about the M&P 40c... but I'm picky and I knew there had to be something out there that would satisfy me all the way around. Along the way, I picked up a Kimber Pro CDP II. I never intended for that gun to see ritualistic carry but it's served me in that capacity for a few weeks now. Very light, super potent cartridge... just still a hair too tall in the grip area for the title of "Ultimate Concealment Gun". I tend to worry that the grip is sticking out the back of my shirt, printing badly, whenever I wear it. The Kimber 1911 may be the ultimate Man's Man firearm (in my opinion!) but it still wasn't the ideal candidate for carry. Plus, I didn't want to subject such a beautiful firearm to being drenched in sweat, accidentally being knocked against stuff, etc. Then... I became truly enlightened. I discovered the beauty of the HK P2000 handgun and the LEM trigger. I researched, I measured, I compared. I discovered that the P2000 is practically identical in every dimension to the Glock 23. I discovered that the LEM trigger is badassery on a whole new level. I finally found a shop where I could hold one and drool on it, then I had Joe at Hero Gear hunt one down for me! Things that really impress me about this handgun: Superior fit and finish Rugged Hostile Environment (HE) black coating Fully supported chamber design Recoil buffer designed specifically for the .40SW cartridge LEM trigger with second-strike capability Semi-external hammer Trademark H&K "No Compromises" engineering and durability Vikings carried them into battle against the Moors I can't prove the latter, but you can't disprove it either. I've got some Meprolight night sights coming and a Comp-Tac MTAC leather / kydex hybrid holster in the works so this will soon become my daily companion. I have no worries about it shrugging off sweat and humidity without corroding, or going BANG when I pull the trigger. And last but not least... it looks über-tacticool. And we all know that if you can't look good while going into battle, then you might as well just stay home.

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I just noticed that there is a problem when submitting anything to our Review system. I hadn't noticed this before, so apologies to anyone who's tried using it and only become frustrated with it in the process. I'll try to fix it ASAP.

Oh I wasn't hinting at anything diabolical... I'm just saying. The only reason you need is that every American male needs as many EBRs as possible. It's funny... Hornet asked a similar question about his new 1911. The answer I gave him was rife with references to how emasculated he was without a 1911.

Man... if you had asked me why you needed a .308 I'd have taken it from you and put it back on the wall. That's one of those DUH questions that falls into the "If you have to ask" category. I'm lucky. I managed to get out of there yesterday without asking that same question. Otherwise we'd both be posting about new evil black rifles today. Awesome rifle, and congrats on the purchase!

True story. You do what you have to do to survive.

You haven't hung around me at any gun shops or shooting ranges. It all sort of just comes out in a flurry of steroidal firearms mania.

Man I'm telling you... if they were a little closer to me I'd be there all the damn time. Hero-Gear is seriously a toy store for red blooded heterosexual men who sweat testosterone and gun oil. You walk into the place and you can feel your chest hair turn to steel wool and half expect to see vikings shopping for better battle axes. It's actually a good thing that they aren't closer to me or I'd be broke all the time! And by the way... I saw their Nighthawks. And they were good. Oh yes, they were good.

I'm glad I saved the majority of my ammo this past year as well! I just have no idea how to even start reloading it.

http://www.natchezss.com/customerService.cfm?contentID=manuIncrease&src=BA481 25 - 30% hike in price across the board at Wal-Mart according to other forums, and this link (above) from Natchez Shooter Supply shows similar information.

Do you mean a thread or a forum dedicated to ammo?

That's a very cool rifle. I really enjoyed getting the chance to handle it today! Too bad I'm a complete noob when it comes to AK controls.

I'd like to go down to On Target tomorrow and shoot it and the Kimber some. Want to meet up? Man, I wish we could have gone but we needed to get back up here. We'll definitely get together sometime soon and do some shooting. I'd like to get a can of 5.56 for the AR and burn it up some. Good to meet you as well! It was great to meet you too, Joe. It was a powerful thing seeing the torch of masculinity rekindled in a former Marine by taking possession of a 1911 once again. Wow... sounds like Joe made his quota for the day! I bet Diane Feinstein is pissed! I agree! But P2000 + 1911 + 1911 > 1911!