TGO David

That's going to hurt the ole corporate pocket book.

I never thought I'd have to do this, but then again I never imagined that we would have to entertain someone like yourself either. So allow me to invite you to LEAVE and never come back if you think that this site sucks so much. Your continued presence here is unwanted and honestly brings nothing to the table. 600 other members of TGO think that the site is worthwhile, so that puts you squarely in the minority. I'm sure that you can occupy your time elsewhere so I would encourage you to begin doing so before the decision becomes mandatory. The door is that way. Don't let it hit you.

That P-13 was a hoot to fire. I was surprised at how different it felt from a traditional 1911 even though I went into it fully cognizant of the double-stack design. It's a double fisted gun for sure.

John really doesn't have the time to drive the Nashville chapter. That's why he is looking for someone who will take the ball and run with it. I can feel his pain as there are a lot of things I'd like to be actively involved in, but I simply don't have the time with all of the other stuff going on in my life. Ideally whomever takes the reigns on this will either be unmarried or of retirement age, as family obligations always will take precedence over fraternal organizations. Oh well... just rambling.

That article linked in the original post of this thread indicates that Glock chambers are oversized slightly.

I will make an attempt to attend but this will be my last such attempt if the group doesn't seem to have any sense of direction or purpose. I'm pretty ticked that I paid for a membership but I won't be renewing unless things are dramatically different a year from now. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Verbal's a Kentucky native lost in Virginia, so he's uptight and likes to stir up trouble. UK (Kentucky) doesn't have much of a football team. It just gives the school something to do until basketball season gets here.

Is the gun show in LaVergne the weekend of the 22nd? I thought it was the 29th. Edit.. it is the 29th...

I don't foresee this thread going well.

Jesus man... What lead up to all of this? Or would you rather not say?

Right then. That was rather sporting of you. {/cheesy fake British accent} Sorry, just wanted to be able to say it.

@ "when your shoot falls through..." You're jinxing us, man! Winchester is almost at the foot of Mont Eagle, on I-24 headed toward (or away from) Chattanooga.

Knowing Disney, I'm sure that apologies aren't necessary. I just wanted to make sure you knew he wasn't trying to malign you. Simply a case of mistaken identity. And I'm sure that having just come off the judicial battlefield, you're a little tense about this thing still so don't sweat it. Revel in your victory.

You guys really ought to click the hyperlinked objects... because Lott does a great job of substantiating his points with FACTS. That's something the anti-rights groups hate, because it leaves them with very little wiggle room to distort the truth to their own gain. This is really good reading! --Tungsten John R. Lott Jr.: D.C. Handgun Ban Friday , September 14, 2007 By John R. Lott Jr. Is banning handguns a "reasonable regulation"? The District of Columbia certainly hopes that the Supreme Court thinks so. D.C. filed a brief last week asking the U.S. Supreme Court to let it keep its 1976 handgun ban, but how the city argued its case was what was most surprising. Instead of spending a lot of time arguing over what the constitution means, the city largely made a public policy argument. D.C. argues that whatever one thinks about the Second Amendment guaranteeing people a right to own guns, banning handguns should be allowed for public safety reasons. Claiming that the Second Amendment doesn't protect individual rights might be a tough sell, but the city's public safety argument will be at least as tough. After the ban, D.C.'s murder rate only once fell below what it was in 1976. From 1977 to 2003, there were only two years when D.C.'s violent crime rate fell below the rate in 1976. After the ban, DC’s murder and violent rates rose relative to Maryland and Virginia as well as relative to other cities with more than 500,000 people. But it is not just D.C. that has experienced increases in murder and violent crime after guns are banned. Chicago also experienced an increase after its ban in 1982. Island nations supposedly present ideal environments for gun control because it is relatively easy for them to control their borders, but countries such as Great Britain, Ireland, and Jamaica have experienced large increases in murder and violent crime after gun bans. For example, after handguns were banned in 1997, the number of deaths and injuries from gun crime in England and Wales increased 340 percent in the seven years from 1998 to 2005. Passing a gun ban simply doesn't mean that we are going to get guns away from criminals. The real problem is that if it is the law-abiding good citizens who obey these laws and not the criminals, criminals have less to fear and crime can go up. D.C.’s brief makes a number of other claims: The ban comes "nowhere close to disarmament of residents. The District's overwhelming interest in reducing death and injury caused by handguns outweighs respondent's asserted need . . . ." The obvious key here is that DC says people can use rifles and shotguns for self-defense. D.C. also adds that they don't believe that the regulations that lock up and require the disassembling of guns does not "prevent the use of a lawful firearm in self-defense." But locked guns are simply not as readily accessible for defensive gun uses. In the U.S., states that require guns be locked up and unloaded face a 5 percent increase in murder and a 12 percent increase in rapes. Criminals are more likely to attack people in their homes and those attacks are more likely to be successful. Since potentially armed victims deter criminals, storing a gun locked and unloaded actually encourages increased crime. — "All too often, handguns in the heat of anger turn domestic violence into murder." To put it bluntly, criminals are not your typical citizens. Few people should be fearful of those who they are in relationshipswith. Almost 90 percent of adult murders already have a criminal record as an adult. As is well known, young males from their mid-teens to mid-thirties commit more than their share of crime, but even this is categorization can be substantially narrowed. We know that criminals tend to have low IQ’s as well as atypical personalities. For example, delinquents generally tended to be more “assertive, unafraid, aggressive, unconventional, extroverted, and poorly socialized,” while non-delinquents are “self-controlled, concerned about their relations with others, willing to be guided by social standards, and rich in internal feelings like insecurity, helplessness, love (or its lack), and anxiety.” Other evidence indicates that criminals tend to be more impulsive and put relatively little weight on future events. Finally, we cannot ignore the unfortunate fact that crime (particularly violent crime even more so murder) is disproportionately committed against blacks and by blacks. — "handguns cause accidents, frequently involving children. The smaller the weapon, the more likely a child can use it, and children as young as three years old are strong enough to fire today's handguns." Accidental gun deaths among children are, fortunately, much rarer than most people believe. With 40 million children in the United States under the age of 10, the Centers for Disease Control indicates that there were just 20 accidental gun deaths in 2003. 56 children under the age of 15. While guns get most of the attention, children are 41 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation, 32 times more likely to accidentally drown and 20 times more likely to die as a result of accidental fires. Looking at all children under 15, there were 56 accidental gun deaths in 2003— still a fraction of the deaths resulting from these other accidents for only the younger children. Despite the image of children firing these guns and killing themselves or other children, the typical person who accidentally fires a gun is an adult male, usually in his 20s. Accidental shooters overwhelmingly have problems with alcoholism and long criminal histories, particularly arrests for violent acts. They are also disproportionately involved in automobile crashes and are much more likely to have had their driver's licenses suspended or revoked. Even if gun locks could stop children from using guns, gun locks are simply not designed to stop adult males from firing their own guns — even if they were to use the gun locks. Of course, D.C. makes other claims as well, but the city’s crime problems and the fact that they began after the gun ban are hardly a secret. After the ban, D.C. regularly ranked number one in murder rates for cities over 500,000 people. That wasn’t even close to being true before the ban. The fact that D.C. must argue that the gun ban reduced the murder rate shows how incredibly weak the city's case really is. *John Lott is the author of the book "Freedomnomics," and is a Senior Research Scientist at the University of Maryland.

Now that's just hurtful. But I'll see that challenge and raise you the likelihood that we'll have some Class III toys at our G2G if Hero Gear participates. PS: We've been given preliminary OK on using a facility near Winchester. I'm waiting for Joe @ Hero Gear to return from his "vacation" blowing stuff up and playing uber-ninja-soldier, then we'll put our heads together and figure out a firm date for the event.

We were supposed to get some much needed rain here today, but it looks as if we're going to be out of luck again. Or maybe it will wait and start dumping on us as soon as the weekend really starts. Again, welcome. Read and... when the urge hits... reply or post!

Reef plays the Trouser Trout.

I've been studying on that one and will probably change it over today.

You know, it really does suck that the burden falls upon the innocent party to clear their name. In cases such as this, I think the State should be required to refund the legal expenses incurred. Just my worthless, rambling opinion.

Disney owns one. I've shot a few. Why?

Whoa Mike. Disney just had your case confused with GregRN's thread which did involve a restraining order and also was just resolved in a satisfactory manner. He wasn't assuming anything or making accusations about you.

Creeky is dead on with his analysis.

I haven't heard of any kabooms with the 9mm either. And yes, the firearms that were originally designed for a larger caliber and then down-sized to accommodate the smaller calibers generally is a more robust design.

Tennessee: Patron State Of Shooting At Things Glad you enjoyed. Ya'll come back now... ya hear.

Welcome to the group. Hope to see you around often!