TGO David

... yet.

I was talking to Hornet Handler (Angelo) about this earlier today. We have a game plan for October now and November should be easy enough to accomplish and keep the momentum going as we head toward the home stretch for 2007. If anything, November can be a strategy session / round-table where we generate some ideas for events in 2008. Good time for snacks but we still try to keep it productive even though everyone's going to start having Holidayitis. December is probably going to be a bust as far as getting the max # of members together since so many Christmas oriented events are going on that month. What most clubs tend to do is just replace the regularly scheduled meeting with an informal get-together / dinner / social time at a local restaurant. We could even make it fun and have a Dirty Santa Gift Exchange. I wouldn't expect much "business" to get accomplished in December. Then the chapter could really kick things into get with January & February and push forward into 2008 on full throttle.

Bah, you're jaded because you carry your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-uncle's weapon still.

Well, if it matters... I agree with you. There are only rare occasions where I feel that OC is acceptable. The rest of the time, I like to keep my state of armament concealed. But... I don't know that the TFA has an official opinion on OC. If it does, I suspect it is similar to what you expressed in that OC is allowed so that we don't lose our carry privileges due to accidental flashing. I doubt that the Attorney General really feels comfortable with the idea of OC as a ritualistic mode of going armed. Other states (Kentucky for example) do not even require a permit for OC, therefore a person has nothing to lose politically speaking if they carry in that mode. But, Tennessee doesn't have those sort of roots so I think it's a totally different issue here.

Ok, but let's talk about crop cirlces, alien abductions, anal probes and The DaVinci Code next. In all seriousness, if you wish to engage in discussions that make you look like an extremist... knock yourself out. If others want to dabble in it with you, so be it. But how about doing us a favor and not pooping in our pool in the process. Start a thread on one of the sundry Black Helicopter message boards and end this thread with a link to that discussion over there. Fair enough?

I noticed that this went out as a TFA Alert a little while ago. Thanks John!

TFA Nashville Chapter Meeting Announcement Tuesday, October 16th 2007. 6:30pm - 8:00pm *********************************************************************************** Please join us for the next regularly scheduled meeting of the TFA Nashville Chapter on Tuesday, October 16th from 6:30pm - 8:00pm. This meeting will be held at the offices of the Academy of Personal Protection and Safety (APPS) which is located near the intersections of I-24 and I-40. Click here for an interactive map and driving directions. The guest speaker for this meeting will be lawyer and TFA Executive Director, John Harris. Mr. Harris will be delivering a topical discussion of what Tennessee handgun carry permit holders should do in those crucial minutes and hours following a self-defense shooting. This topic gets discussed frequently on the Internet but how much of what you have read has been good advice and how much of it would get you into deep trouble? Come prepared to hear the straight scoop from one of the lawyers who has been most instrumental in shaping recent Tennessee firearms law. FUTURE MEETINGS It was decided at the September 18th meeting that henceforth the Nashville Chapter will meet the 3rd Tuesday of every month. These meetings will commence at 6:30pm and run until 8:30pm and will be held at the APPS offices unless advance notice is given to the contrary. If there is ever a doubt as to whether we will have a chapter meeting for a given month, the answer is YES! 3rd Tuesday, 6:30pm. OFFICER ELECTIONS 2008 It was also decided at the September 18th meeting that the Nashville Chapter will elect officers for the 2008 calendar year. Nominations for officer positions will be taken at the January 2008 meeting. The February 2008 meeting will consist of the nominees being given equal time at the podium to express why they feel that they are a good candidate for the job, and immediately following the club members shall vote and elect the officers. The positions that will be voted upon are: Chapter President Chapter Vice President Chapter Secretary / Treasurer Chapter Sargent at Arms If you would like to get involved from any of these aspects, please be sure to attend the meetings leading up to the elections! YOUR PRESENCE IS NEEDED! Folks, this chapter really needs warm bodies in seats on the meeting nights. I realize that it is a long haul for some of you to get there and that we've all got "life" pressing in on us and demanding our time for other things... but the simple fact of the matter is that without participation from the members, the Nashville chapter will eventually wither and die again. We don't want that to happen - right? PLEASE. Mark it on your calendar to be there in October. We are moving toward electing chapter officers in the first of 2008 and we are trying to plot the course of direction for the months ahead. I promise we aren't going to sit around and waste your time at these meetings. We hope to see you there!

Wow. You know... I never took those musket comments seriously until now.

Look... I told you I wasn't going to go around posting on the Internet about what you really do at the AFB on those night shifts [refilling the mind gas canisters for the airlines] so don't call me out on it.

I've always trained to tap and rack... but that's just me.

09/19/07 9:25am I have sent Mr. Harris an email this morning explaining a little about what transpired last night and seeking access to the TFA list-serv so that Nashville chapter announcements can be sent out to the existing TFA mailing list subscribers. Memphis and Knoxville already do this. Chattanooga does as well? I can't remember. Anyway... it seems that this is the most obvious, direct way to get news about things pertinent to the Nashville chapter to the people who are already signed up to receive TFA alerts. If John can make this happen for us, I'll get an email put together ASAP and get it out to everyone on the list announcing the October meeting date and time.

Seriously... this is all a bit ridiculous isn't it? I am sure there are better venues on the Internet to discuss conspiracy theories rather than erode the credibility of a Pro-2nd Amendment Rights community with that sort of talk. I for one don't care to have TGO associated with it.

By the way... I really want to emphasize that me helping out with the communication area is absolutely an interim thing. January is the time for people to seek an appointed office and I'm not planning on nominating myself for anything. I just hate to see this fledgling effort fail before it gets off the ground and communication is one thing I can facilitate pretty easily via the Internet. Hopefully this is a duty that can be transitioned off to an elected officer (or appointed to someone by the officers) after February.

Recap of the September 18, 2007 Meeting Standard Meeting Date & Time Several key things were accomplished tonight, not the least of which was the decision to establish a set date and time at the Nashville chapter will meet from this point forward. That date and time is to be the 3rd Tuesday of Every Month from 6:30pm - 8:00pm at the A.P.P.S facility. Unless an announcement is sent out superseding this for a given month, that meeting date, time and place stands. This should alleviate any future confusion over whether there is a meeting and when it is. The answer will be YES there is a meeting, and it's at 6:30pm on the 3rd Tuesday. The only exception would be if this fell on a holiday of some sort. Communication Is Key One of the things we've complained about here is that communication from the TFA regarding the Nashville chapter seems to have been lacking. I'm going to take John Harris up on his challenge to not just cajole from the sidelines and will be getting together with him this week to try and facilitate good communication to the greater Nashville TFA members on things pertinent to the chapter. I don't know if this means that Nashville will be represented in TFA email alerts or what. But it does mean that -- for the interim at least -- I am going to make it my personal responsibility to keep the Nashville members informed electronically. Electing Club Officers It was also decided tonight that the TFA Nashville chapter will kick off 2008 by electing officers. All posts will be up for election, including that of the chapter President ... a declaration made by Perry, the incumbent President himself. The January 2008 meeting will consist partially of taking nominations for the various offices. After nominations are taken and that part of the meeting is closed, there will be a guest speaker. Several ideas for the speaker were tossed around, one of which being a member of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations. Perhaps we could get him to tell us more about the "instant background checks" ... The February 2008 meeting will consist of each candidate for offices being given a set amount of time to tell us all why they feel that they are the person for the position they are applying for. Immediately following, elections will be held and officers will be appointed. The posts up for election will be: Chapter President or Chairman Chapter Vice President or Vice Chairman Secretary / Treasurer Sargent at Arms If you're interested in any of these, you should get involved and definitely be there for the January and February meetings. The Long Term Plan Quite a few ideas for guest speakers and chapter projects were tossed around tonight. More ideas will certainly be generated as more people get involved and obviously more people will get involved as the chapter holds productive, informative meetings. I think the general consensus tonight was that (a.) having a set date and time for meetings and (b.) electing officers to lead the chapter for 2008 were important things that will greatly shape the future of things. October 2007 Meeting Plan So what's up for October... When: Tuesday, October 16th at 6:30pm Where: Academy of Personal Protection and Security We are hoping that John Harris, TFA's Executive Director and lawyer extraordinaire, will join us once again but this time have a topical presentation followed by a Q&A session. I have yet to speak with Mr. Harris about any of this (sorry, John) but at least one idea was to have him speak on the subject of what you should do immediately following a self-defense shooting. I'm sure many of us would like to hear a lawyer's perspective on this... especially if that lawyer happens to be one who has been as instrumental in shaping some of our recent gun laws as Mr. Harris has. So there you have it. The Nashville chapter is alive and moving forward. But like any newly formed (or re-formed) venture, the success of this chapter depends on people getting involved. That part is up to you. ....... If any of you were also present tonight and have anything to add to this or corrections to make to what I've said, please post in this thread. I very easily could have mistakenly reported something inaccurately. It's been a long day.

Recap of the September 18, 2007 Meeting Standard Meeting Date & Time Several key things were accomplished tonight, not the least of which was the decision to establish a set date and time at the Nashville chapter will meet from this point forward. That date and time is to be the 3rd Tuesday of Every Month from 6:30pm - 8:00pm at the A.P.P.S facility. Unless an announcement is sent out superseding this for a given month, that meeting date, time and place stands. This should alleviate any future confusion over whether there is a meeting and when it is. The answer will be YES there is a meeting, and it's at 6:30pm on the 3rd Tuesday. The only exception would be if this fell on a holiday of some sort. Communication Is Key One of the things we've complained about here is that communication from the TFA regarding the Nashville chapter seems to have been lacking. I'm going to take John Harris up on his challenge to not just cajole from the sidelines and will be getting together with him this week to try and facilitate good communication to the greater Nashville TFA members on things pertinent to the chapter. I don't know if this means that Nashville will be represented in TFA email alerts or what. But it does mean that -- for the interim at least -- I am going to make it my personal responsibility to keep the Nashville members informed electronically. Electing Club Officers It was also decided tonight that the TFA Nashville chapter will kick off 2008 by electing officers. All posts will be up for election, including that of the chapter President ... a declaration made by Perry, the incumbent President himself. The January 2008 meeting will consist partially of taking nominations for the various offices. After nominations are taken and that part of the meeting is closed, there will be a guest speaker. Several ideas for the speaker were tossed around, one of which being a member of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations. Perhaps we could get him to tell us more about the "instant background checks" ... The February 2008 meeting will consist of each candidate for offices being given a set amount of time to tell us all why they feel that they are the person for the position they are applying for. Immediately following, elections will be held and officers will be appointed. The posts up for election will be: Chapter President or Chairman Chapter Vice President or Vice Chairman Secretary / Treasurer Sargent at Arms If you're interested in any of these, you should get involved and definitely be there for the January and February meetings. The Long Term Plan Quite a few ideas for guest speakers and chapter projects were tossed around tonight. More ideas will certainly be generated as more people get involved and obviously more people will get involved as the chapter holds productive, informative meetings. I think the general consensus tonight was that (a.) having a set date and time for meetings and (b.) electing officers to lead the chapter for 2008 were important things that will greatly shape the future of things. October 2007 Meeting Plan So what's up for October... When: Tuesday, October 16th at 6:30pm Where: Academy of Personal Protection and Security We are hoping that John Harris, TFA's Executive Director and lawyer extraordinaire, will join us once again but this time have a topical presentation followed by a Q&A session. I have yet to speak with Mr. Harris about any of this (sorry, John) but at least one idea was to have him speak on the subject of what you should do immediately following a self-defense shooting. I'm sure many of us would like to hear a lawyer's perspective on this... especially if that lawyer happens to be one who has been as instrumental in shaping some of our recent gun laws as Mr. Harris has. So there you have it. The Nashville chapter is alive and moving forward. But like any newly formed (or re-formed) venture, the success of this chapter depends on people getting involved. That part is up to you.

No worries, man. I am going to head home, get changed, eat some dinner then see about heading back to Nashville to attend. I hate making two 50 mile round trips in one day, but it beats staying here at the office for another 2 hrs.

Sorry to hear about your grandmother, John. Sept 11th holds a special place to me for very similar reasons. You have my sincere condolences.

I hear ya. The other beauty of free enterprise is that we all get to choose our poison.

I presume you'll be OC this evening. That limits our dining options somewhat as a lot of these places nearby serve booze. Do you like Italian? There's Nick's deli over here off of 5th Ave in Nashville. No beer, no alcohol. Not sure what Nick would think about OC, though, and the place is frequented by Metro PD all the time so we might end up like those poor VCDL guys.

I cannot argue that, but I think it's actually more similar in look to the new Smith & Wesson M&P series. As for it being a deal at twice the price, when you consider the evolutionary improvements that the P30 makes to the "Glock style" platform, I think the results are worth the cost of admission. Ambindextrous controls, supported chamber, grip that can be customized by the user for the user... all things that Glock lacks still. And by still I mean 20 years after the first Glocks started doing their thing.

I know for certain that the 40c has a traditionally rifled barrel. Not sure about the XD. I think it does, but I'm not positive.

PS: I'm not saying any of this because I have designs to run. I don't and really wouldn't have the time to do the job justice. While that may put me in danger of becoming the dreaded Monday Morning Quarterback, I try to just view it as being an "Idea Man". But I'm also one who will get in behind whomever is appointed and really does something with that role, and I will support them as much as possible by whatever means available.

John, glad to see you here finally. Thanks for addressing the various concerns in your reply. As you stated in not so many words... one guy can't do it all. That said, how is Perry progressing? Many of us, myself included, signed up to be notified by email on things related to the Nashville chapter and none of us appear to have heard a peep from him. I don't want to put the cart before the horse... but if Perry is struggling to make this happen, maybe a different approach at appointing a leader for the Nashville chapter is in order? Perry seems to have been elected by straw vote on the first meeting of the resurrected chapter if my memory serves me. I remember it being that he was pretty much the only guy who expressed any interest and Buford got behind him as a defacto candidate fairly quickly. I'm not saying that this is or was a bad thing... I just can't help but wonder if other potential candidates were keeping quiet at the time, surveying the lay of the land, and withholding any sort of public commitment until they knew what was going to be involved and expected of them. I know that I for one wasn't expecting to see any sort of election put to vote that night. Not so quickly, at least. If Perry has lost traction, might I suggest that a call for candidates be put forth at a future meeting? The next meeting could consist of each candidate being given a strictly timed 5-minute access to the podium to state why they feel that they would be a good match for the job. Subsequent to that, the Nashville chapter members could vote and appoint whomever impressed them the most. Again... all of this may be extremely premature and completely unnecessary so forgive me if that's the case. It just seems that if Perry is doing anything, he's doing it so far behind the scenes that the members aren't even aware of what's going on.

Conventional rifling on the left, polygonal rifling on the right. More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_rifling

I contacted them and the reply was to the effect that the plated bullet diameter for this ammo is 0.399" and that it will not function in a Glock or other polygonal barrel firearm with a bore diameter greater than 0.400" So there ya go. As to whether it will work in my P2000... I am not sure yet. I don't have a micrometer with me and I've yet to get a reply from the HK Pro forums.