TGO David

re: Getting it out of the truck 1. Have driver push the safe to the rear of the bed or cargo box 2. Have driver accelerate abruptly 3. Safe can then be claimed from the roadway

Appliance dolly, highly recommended!

It's baptism by fire around here lately.

If he doesn't, I can.

I'd use a Glock to shoot that dog too!!!

These two statements are contradictory. I hope for your sake it is just Internet bravado. Otherwise you are stating that you would commit an act of premeditated murder, in which case I hope that your family is OK with a closed casket funeral because the State will eventually put enough electricity through you to light up a typical Memphis neighborhood. I remember talking big like that at one time. But I think I was 19 and had no idea how the world really worked. You're too old for that and you're carrying a firearm for your own protection. It's time to put aside bravado and bull****, and start thinking sensibly before you do something dumb that lands you in jail.

Simmer down. When you initiated your participation in this thread, you invited others to comment on what you contributed. If you dislike that or cannot handle what they have to say, click here.

Seriously, you're being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. That or you're just dumb. My perception of a threat comes from the circumstances not from pre-existing knowledge of your dog's behavior patterns. Pre-existing knowledge that I do not have. When you related the anecdotal experience of being bitten by a GSD, you downplayed what happened because (a.) you knew the dog and (b.) you knew what the dog was trained to do. This is an apples-to-oranges comparison and has no bearing on what we're talking about here. If that same GSD cut a line across your yard and latched onto me, I'd kill the animal with the full blessing of the Court behind me. And if you drew on me as a result, I'd kill you too. Again with the full blessing of the Court. My perception of both instances would have been that I was immediate threat of death or serious bodily harm and that my actions were justified and prudent in respect to that belief. I doubt many on a jury would disagree with that; so why do you? I'll answer why you do. You do because you have an emotional attachment to your animals. This is fine! I have an emotional attachment to my animals as well. But I also realize that animals don't always do what they are supposed to do and that if one of mine runs out into the road and gets hit by a car, it's not the motorist's fault -- even if he was speeding. The fact remains that the animal should have been under my control and wasn't. Therefore the only person that I can justifiably be mad at is ME. And I'm not going to draw on myself and shoot myself as a result of that, just as I wouldn't draw on the motorist and shoot him. You need to temper your emotions with rational thinking otherwise you may end up in jail, or worse yet, dead as a result of them. I'd hate to see that happen to you.

This honestly is not directed toward anyone, but this thread and some comments made got me thinking... If a dog attacked me and I shot it, and the dog's owner decided to shoot me in retaliation... he better be really damn fast with his gun because mine will already be out and warmed up by that point.

So you're saying you would shoot someone because they shot your dog. Your dog which was acting aggressively toward them and was not under your control. Did I get that right? Wow.

Is your dog on a leash? Is the leash in your hand? So you're in close proximity to your dog and you also felt threatened for your own safety and could convince the police officer and judge of that if necessary? Yes? *BOOM*

If someone sells those signs, I want to know where I can order a bunch of them. I know some shop owners who I'd love to give them to.

Because the American military is obviously a police force and not a combat force. I could go on a rant about why this irritates me, but I won't because I'd just be armchair quarterbacking it. Instead I'll post this. If I'm off base, give me the Secret Signal.

We're happy to have you and happy to entertain. Wait til you see Towerclimber dance. He does that for the new folks sometimes.

I don't think a judge would have much to say to you other than "Nice shot" if you took down an aggressive dog in a situation as described. I would expect a civil suit from the dog's owner, however.

My time is too valuable to complicate things by forcing myself to go buy something somewhere else just because an hourly employee doesn't know any better than what the outdated sign on the store wall tells them. The employee isn't an attorney and probably thinks that the old yellowed sign with red text is gospel. If you and I didn't know the law, we'd probably be in agreement with them. No, while it seems noble to take your business elsewhere the reality is that the gesture probably has no effect on the bottom line of that business. The only person it hurts is you by making you take more time out of your already hectic schedule to go buy product(s) somewhere else. And chances are that somewhere else may be owned or operated by an equally anti-gun person or corporation who just hasn't made their stance public. I don't vote with my pennies and nickels. I might vote with my dollars, but the dollars would have to be significant for me to think it was even worth my time and energy then. Because if the amount isn't significant, the business ain't gonna notice. Concealed means concealed. What the business doesn't know doesn't hurt them.

I agree. But I'd rather just point the store owner to a source of current statutes rather than try to educate an employee on the spot while he or she is bitching me out because I'm exercising my legal right to carry a firearm for my own protection. Have you ever really watched a news cast? Have you not noticed how many citizens think that they know the law? "You can't do that! That there's illegal! I know my rights! Blah blah blah" and the entire time they are talking completely out of their butt. I'm not about to get into an argument over Tennessee Code Annotated with some amateur Perry Mason who's making $9/hr to sell me a case of beer. It would be an exercise in futility. But I would carry concealed, take note of their outdated prohibition sign, go home and write a professionally articulated letter to the shop's owner and/or manager pointing out the fact that their sign IS outdated, refer them to the current TCA statutes complete with copy of text, and mail that to them as a "Concerned Customer".

Parts arrived the other night. I may mess with it some over the holidays.

Concealed means concealed means concealed means concealed. Life is so much simpler when you don't have to educate dumb asses!

Which time? When they surrendered... or when they surrendered?

Thought this was interesting enough to share.

USPSA Acquires Steel Challenge Sedro-Woolley, WA — The United States Practical Shooting Association announced that it has acquired the Steel Challenge and the Steel Challenge Shooting Association from founders Mike Dalton and Mike Fichman. “The Steel Challenge is a natural fit for USPSA and we look forward to both growing the match as well as Steel Shooting in general,” said Dave Thomas, Executive Director of USPSA. “One of our primary goals is to greatly expand the role of the Steel Challenge Shooting Association here in the US and internationally. Working closely with our more than 16,000 members and 350 affiliated clubs, we see a very bright future for the Steel Challenge.” The Steel Challenge World Speed Shooting Championships were founded in 1981 with just 70 shooters competing for $20,000 in cash and prizes that first year. In the 26 years since, the match has grown to become one of the crown jewels of the shooting circuit and the premier professional pistol competition with more than 220 of the world’s fastest shooters competing for over $390,000 in cash and prizes in 2007. “We founded the Steel Challenge out of our love for the shooting sports. We wanted a match that was challenging and fun but would also be easily understood by non-shooters who would see the competition and find within themselves a greater desire to join the shooting sports,” said Mike Fichman. “The fact that today the Steel Challenge is the premier shooting competition with competitors travelling from around the world to compete gives us great pride. We have watched this match grow far beyond what we could have ever imagined 26 years ago. However, we realized that our once small match is now at a point that requires greater resources to move to the next level and USPSA has the expertise and organizational structure to do just that,” said Mike Dalton. Mike Dalton and Mike Fichman, regarded as two of the most accomplished shooting event organizers and promoters, will stay on through the 2008 championships to insure a smooth transition with sponsors and competitors as well as train USPSA personnel on running the Steel Challenge. Dalton and Fichman will also serve as Match Directors for the 2008 Steel Challenge which will again be held in Piru, CA, August 14-17. – 30 – About USPSA: The United States Practical Shooting Association is a non-profit membership association affiliated with the International Practical Shooting Confederation (I.P.S.C.), which is comprised of approximately 67 nations. USPSA’s 16,000+ members and 350 affiliated clubs make it the largest and fastest growing Practical Shooting sport. About the Steel Challenge: The Steel Challenge will be held Thursday through Sunday, August 14-17 in Piru, CA. To learn more about the Steel Challenge visit the Web site at www.steelchallenge.com where you will find diagrams of the stages of fire, complete listing of the 2007 results, past champions and more. *

That's just wrong.

Talking about a new toy w/o posting pictures of new toy should result in a temporary ban.

I'm not exactly thin and never will be, but losing weight over the past few months has helped me with my IWB carry.