TGO David

I'm glad that the numbers for 9mm are starting to shoot up in the poll. I was actually wondering how many were carrying 9mm for self defense... and no, not being skeptical.

I need to get my wife to sign up so that she can hang out in here some.

She's got a sister but she's been taken for a while. Not sure if she'd really be into shooting guns, let alone cleaning them. Maybe we'll work on her some.

I've been giving serious thought to some XS big dots for my HK P2000. I really like them.

@ Dotsun Ok, I am going to work on this some today and get the old icon (or a more noticeable one) back onto the forum and make some more minor changes to the layout. Thanks for the feedback.

True! I was actually pretty shocked that my wife wanted to clean the guns. I mean, she cleans around the house all the time but she really has this driving urge to learn about what makes machines tick. She even wants me to teach her how to change the oil in her truck sometime soon. Come to think of it... we just got her signed onto my life insurance as a beneficiary. Maybe she's planning to get rid of me! :P

.38 Special , .40SW and .45ACP are my choices at the moment.

Last night my wife and I spent time cleaning the handguns we took to the middle Tennessee TGO meet on Saturday. She's way past shooting everything that we own, so Saturday she asked if I'd show her how to clean them. Yesterday she followed along as I cleaned the HK and then she disassembled, cleaned and reassembled the XD with me just making suggestions along the way. We were pushed for time so I cleaned up the 1911, but she followed along to make sure that she'd know how to do it if she ever has to. I love that woman.

Just wondering what handgun calibers you're carrying for self defense out there on the mean streets of Tennessee. Please take a second to vote in our poll. You may choose more than one option if you have several different handguns that you pick from given the circumstances.

Before we close this thread and all move on to something different... I want to point out a few things that I feel need pointing out: #1) The accusation was made the the moderators on TGO are guilty of editing or deleting threads and posts. My gut told me that this was untrue but I went and verified just as Eddie did. The forum software keeps a log of all moderator actions and there just aren't any instances of this happening in a very, very long time. The one moderator who did occasionally edit or delete things that he didn't like was relieved from duty a while back. It seems therefore that a false perception exists about the way the moderators do their job here. I can substantiate, with evidence from the server's own log files, that no one is abusing their moderator powers by squelching things just because they don't agree with what was said. The very fact that THIS thread has gone on for as long as it has is proof that we don't make knee jerk reactions to things. #2) It needs to be pointed out that the ETS, Inc. / Frank issue was being handled behind the scenes several days before the membership at large caught wind of it. The raffle thread was pulled into a holding area, out of the public eye, for several days while Eddie and I consulted each other and Frank and tried to figure out how to best handle the situation. Just because you didn't see every detail of what was going on, it didn't mean that diplomatic negotiations weren't taking place out of your line of sight. #3) Along that line of thought, the sad irony here is that the people who screamed the loudest about the ETS issue and demanded that we be held publicly accountable to the members of TGO for our decision may have screwed Frank in the process. How? There were details that we did not initially make public because we felt that withholding said information was for Frank's own good. We wanted to give him time to modify the raffle to avoid legal ramifications. We had our concerns about the potentially illegal nature of the machine gun raffle. But we did not see any reason to post those concerns publicly. It occurred to us that doing so potentially made it easier for the State to make a case against him if they so desired. We tried as best as we could to keep some of the ETS situation out of the public eye. Some of you wouldn't let us do that. Congratulations! You may have made it worse on Frank by forcing our hand and demanding that we disclose the full details of what happened. Now it's recorded for public viewing. In the future, some of the members here may want to give the Staff a little more credit and let them handle things discretely. In turn, we will try to be more open with the members at large once negotiations break down and more drastic measures have to be taken. Full disclosure seems to be a better choice for the Whole while it may still not be the best option for the Individual. That's just how life works. You have a very good team of moderators working on your behalf here at TGO. They are some of the most impartial folks that I've ever met and handle situations daily with a lot of tact and decorum. Believe it or not, the moderators don't always agree with each other all the time and there are instances where we call each other out onto the carpet in the Staff forum. We do keep each other in check just so that this place doesn't become a one-man show. The day that the moderators all start agreeing with me consistently is the day that I shake things up and make Urse a moderator. Now... go enjoy the forum. Treat each other well. [Thread Closed]

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Oh, man. I'm sorry. I didn't realize I was dealing with someone in one of "those kind" of relationships. We'll talk again when you get a conjugal visit with your manhood. PS: I'm thinking about buying a Glock. Can we hang out?

Hornet's comments have been removed from the thread and I'll be discussing it with him tomorrow.

Am I not supposed to be offended by the accusations being lodged against me and the moderators??? Someone needs to outline the rules of engagement for this sort of thing. Apparently I'm wrong for feeling the need to defend myself against some of the utter BS that's been posted about us.

I just wanted to post a public note of thanks to all involved with the Owl Hollow Gun Club in Williamson County for allowing us the pleasure of shooting at their facility yesterday, Saturday, April 26th. The range was nicely equipped and afforded us an excellent opportunity to enjoy shooting in a safe, structured environment and to enjoy socializing with other TGO members as well as OHGC members. I know from various conversations yesterday that several TGO members have expressed interest in joining OHGC soon in order to have another venue to enjoy shooting at. I think my wife and I will be checking into it as well. Again, thanks for having us. It was greatly appreciated.

One last parting thought... MolonlabeTN made several attempts to get Frank to clarify the wording of the auction thread. Frank never complied. That's why we sought the counsel of an attorney who advised us to distance ourselves from that matter as quickly and thoroughly as possible. Only then did we pull the plug. It was the prudent thing to do to protect ourselves and to ensure that there would still be a TGO for the people who enjoy being here. The alternative was to ignore the warnings and jeopardize everything. The choice was clear and I am still very certain that we made the right decision.

Your assumptions are really starting to piss me off. Just so we're clear about that on the front end and there aren't any misconceptions about it. Someone else pointed out that the membership at large does not and will not ever know the full details of what happened to cause us to distance TGO from ETS, Inc. That is a very clear, concise statement. It's not up for discussion and we are actually doing Frank a very big favor by keeping it that way. But apparently by taking the high road, we're also somehow subjecting ourselves to the scorn of a few disgruntled people here who think that we've gone all "Big Brother" or something. Give me a break. I guess it's true that no good deed goes unpunished. TGO is not an Incorporation. We do not enjoy complete separation of personal liability from things said or done the way that a corporation and its corporate officers might. So it's a very safe statement to make when I say that I'm going to err on the side of safety each and every time something comes up that might somehow jeopardize the lives and livelihood of me or any of the moderators who volunteer their time to help provide a nice atmosphere to talk shop in. If that somehow rubs you the wrong way... tough. Start another forum. Run it however you want. Walk a few miles in our shoes, then bitch all you want about how we do things. Until then, your Monday Morning Quarterbacking is unappreciated and comes across as a complete slap in the face to all of us who pour our time and energy into TGO. Finally, I'm not going to personally ask Frank to do anything. It's not my place to do that. I handled that matter as discretely and professionally as possible given the circumstances and given the need for TGO to publicly distance ourselves from what State law enforcement could have easily construed as being an illegal game of chance for profit. Frank removed himself from TGO by his own free will and choice. He wasn't banned and nor was he so much as asked to leave. Yes, his vendor status was revoked but I refunded the $100 contribution he made to TGO with money out of my own pocket. Somehow it still seems to me that we did the right thing despite the fact that you and a few others want to bitch about it. Perhaps you'd all be singing a different tune if it were YOU who were in our position or if it was YOUR money that was used to refund Frank's contribution to TGO. And trust me... we don't even begin to break even with our operating expenses from member donations from month to month. We don't have money sitting around in a fund to do things like refund vendor donations. That was gas money. Grocery money. Money I could have used to buy ammo or clothes or paid a bill. I've said all I'm going to say about this issue. Anyone who doesn't appreciate what we're trying to do here or thinks they can do it better knows where the door is.

I wouldn't know Frank from Adam. So I never saw him at the show nor did I even spot his booth. So, if you have any further questions about my balls I'd gladly let you inspect them up close. In the meantime, thanks for jumping to conclusions.

What were we talking about aga... hey, look... cows!

I'm all ears. Feel free to PM me privately if you would rather.

Good to see everyone today! We had a blast (no pun intended) and will definitely visit that facility again when possible. It's not too far from my in-law's house so it makes it kind of convenient.

Joe, what if each person who donates gets this as their avatar? Nothing says "Money" like Magic Juan rings.

Dare me?

Down the hall, second door on the right...

What if we did something cool with the user name beside each post? Like... different font, or different color or something? Or maybe I can come up with a better icon for it.