TGO David

That is the stock photo of the Compact courtesy of S&W. I imagine it says 45c on the slide now as that photo is pretty old and predates the SHOT show. And yes, they are larger than the 40c and the 9c. By just a little. Here's a side by side comparison. The 45c is on the left. The 45 (Midsize) is on the right. Pictures are not to scale but you can spot the differences in the frame.

Bud's has them listed. I called to confirm that is really the compact and not the 4-inch midsize and they said that it is the new compact model. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=411535233 I know some of you have been waiting for this, so I wanted to throw it out there. I'm happy with my Glock otherwise I'd be on this like white on rice. Looking forward to a range report!

It was like $600 out the door with tax and TICS. I lucked into this one, I think. I still haven't seen any on Gunbroker or any of the other local shops. This one came from Guns & Leather on a trip up to Kentucky last week. I think they had a Pro model for slightly more. Yeah, they will make it right. It's sometimes a question of how many trips it has to make back to them though. One guy has a 4-inch 9mm and he has had to send it back three times now for FTEs. It will be with us unless I get some more range time and it keeps jamming up. Then it will be up to S&W as to whether I have it back by the 19th.

Recently sold my XD Tactical 9mm to a friend. Guns & Leather happened to have one of these in stock, so it came home with me. Thoughts: We have only had it out to the range once. It suffered several classic stovepipe failures to eject while my wife was shooting it and one failure to feed (double feed) while I was shooting it. I hope that the FTE were due to her "limp wristing" the gun but I have a bad feeling that the weapon will be going back to Smith & Wesson for some tuning if the problem persists. I'm going to detail strip and clean it soon and properly lube the extractor channel to see if that remedies the problems. There are a lot of threads on the MP-Pistols forum that show other people having these problems with their M&Ps lately as well. Some have fixed it themselves with the prescription outlined above. Others had to return their weapons for service. It wouldn't be the first time I've had to return a new M&P to Smith. Ergonomics, Shooting, Etc. The ergonomics of the M&P are just head and shoulders above the Glock and XDs that I've owned. Just holding it reminded me immediately of why I had chosen the M&P in the past. Having owned a 9c, a 40c and a 40 all at the same time once before, I am still a big fan of the M&P's ergos and keep rooting for Smith to get them running right out of the gate. The 9L balances very well and the extended slide and barrel add just enough heft to the front-end to make it a really smooth shooter. No complaints from me here. The gun really needs better sights so I'll be ordering a fiber optic front and a 10-8 Performance rear sight soon. I really like Hilton Yam's 10-8 sight and consider it an almost essential upgrade to any M&P automatic. I've written about this sight here in the past. The trigger on this particular M&P is really mushy. The reset is barely perceptible and absolutely nothing like the firm, definitive click of my Glock 19. I really wish it had a more pronounced, shorter reset. I found myself short-stroking the trigger on more than one occasion during our range session. I may replace the sear with the new S&W Performance Center sear and see if that helps any. I'm told it is basically a drop-in version of what Dan Burwell and other gunsmiths do as trigger jobs for these guns, albeit in a somewhat mass produced form. Odds are that this weapon will never see any sort of carry duty and just be a range toy / gamer gun, so I have no issues with modifying the trigger. All in all, I'm pretty happy with the gun. I just need to resolve the FTE / FTF problems and replace the sights. Then it will be good to go. Still not sold on the M&P as a carry gun based on my personal experiences, but there are hundreds of folks out there who do carry them and have never had these sort of problems.

Thankyoucomeagain.

I lucked out and found the rubber band trick before messing with mine. Otherwise, yeah... I'd have done it too.

You know... people actually do wash them in the dish washer from time to time.

I was wrong. Rabbi is apparently willing to step in for you and deal with the ATF on your behalf.

While this is of no consequence, I cannot help but to have noticed over the past few years of reading gun forums online that there is a pervading attitude of belligerence toward the Government or authorities when issues like this come up. As a result, some really bad advice is given. Perhaps more frightening, some of it is actually followed. I don't think any of us here feel warm and fuzzy about having our Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms infringed upon. Some of us may feel that the government has no business limiting the number of firearms that we can sell privately, but the government respectfully disagrees with us and has the wherewithal to make life very, very unpleasant should we choose to ignore their opinion. There are a lot of issues where you can get away with being a conscientious objector and suffer no ill effects. There are even those times when you can engage in civil disobedience and only receive a slap on the wrist. But this isn't one of them. Like I said, nobody here is going to volunteer to go to jail for you or pay a fine if they are wrong and the government is right. I think you're doing the right thing by investigating your options and choosing to play the game according to the Fed's rules. Good luck.

Just remember that the vast majority of the time, members of the general public interact with police officers when they (the police) are doing their job. Usually that means that someone broke the law, and I'd wager that for most of us that means we got pulled over in traffic for some reason or another. And just how happy are we to see the police then? I tell my kids all the time that when they get in trouble with me, they can be mad about it all they want -- but they need to be mad at themselves for breaking the rules. Not mad at me for calling them on it. Something to think about.

I would be interested in that. As for the hats and such, I don't have any of those. Hero Gear is the only shop selling them but I imagine Joe might have some down there.

None of the people who are giving you advice here (good or bad) is going to step up and go to prison for you or pay a fine for you if they're wrong and the Government was right. I think I'd take heed to what a Federal Agent told me and give more weight to that than I would what a bunch of faceless strangers on the Internet told me. If they felt you were doing something that might get you in trouble, then they are already watching you. Only you know the specifics of this situation. Take that, add it to what you learn when you receive your FFL information packet, then let your gut instinct be your guide. In the meantime, I'd try talking to a competent lawyer also and solicit their professional opinion. Good luck.

Sorry for the confusion. This thread started as a bunch of off-topic posts in a Vendor thread. Since we discourage off-topic stuff in Vendor threads, I split them off into their own thread. Somehow the post I meant to start it off with vanished.

Yep, there is a ton of it. Some of it is amusing and some of it just makes you shake your head at it.

Ok. Not really looking for a debate on the matter, just reposting what information is available on the springs. Some people like a light(er) trigger on their carry guns. Others don't. I'm one of the others.

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WHEN: Saturday, July 19th, 2008. 11:30am - ?? WHAT: Middle Tennessee TGO Meet & Shoot WHERE: Spring Hill, TN (Owl Hollow Gun Club) We will all meet for lunch at 11:30 in Spring Hill at the Hwy 31 Burger King in front of the Publix shopping center. (map) Cost to shoot is $5.00 per person. You must supply your own eye and ear protection, paper targets and target hanging materials. Handgun pits require clothes pins or tape to hang targets from a wire stretched across the pits. Rifle lanes require a heavy duty staple gun to fix your targets to the backer boards. Recommend that you bring insect repellent. Weather dependent, also bring sunscreen and/or shoes that you don't mind getting muddy and dirty. This is an OUTDOOR range. Directions To Owl Hollow Gun Club Range is located approximately 10 miles south of downtown Franklin, Tennessee in Williamson county. From I-65 South/North take the Peytonsville Road exit, #61; go West about .7 mile to the red light at South US 431 (Lewisburg Pike); turn South (towards Lewisburg) onto US 431 and go approximately 6.5 miles to Owl Hollow Road; turn west onto Owl Hollow Road; the range is located approximately 1.1 miles on the left side of the road. Approximate GPS Coordinates for those with GPS devices: Latitude 35.7606 N ; Longitude -86.8571 W SPECIAL NOTE REGARDING THE ATTACHED POLL... The poll is multiple choice. If you will be attending, vote accordingly. If you would also like to take the Owl Hollow Gun Club orientation session that day and join the club ($50 fee) then please vote for that option as well. This will provide us with a reasonably accurate headcount for planning purposes. Thanks!

I've been accused of talking too fast for some people, but that dude talks FAST. Can I slow it down to 33rpm and play it again?

I thought about this some after I posted my last reply. I likely wouldn't install the FPS anyway since it reduces the trigger weight a little. A carry gun could actually stand a slightly higher trigger weight, in my opinion, so that spring will stay in the baggie and out of my gun. But yeah, the spring cups are a pain to find when they go flying. I learned that lesson with my Glock 23 a few years ago.

Yes, they sent both. To date I have only installed the recoil spring. Haven't made time to install the FPS yet. I ordered mine directly from Wolff.

And a few folks have mentioned to me in conversations lately that you have a very "cop-like" appearance in both dress and demeanor. So people probably take you for as being someone who should be carrying a gun* and never really think twice about it. You should shop for a Crown Vic just to really screw with people. * Because, you know... regular people shouldn't.

I'll be taking advantage of this next Spring when my wife takes her Defensive Pistol class. Thanks guys!

If you want to wear a badge and carry a gun, many police departments are hiring right now. Otherwise, leave the badge at home and just use it as a conversation piece or prop for a practical joke. The next time I'm shooting with folks from TGO, I'm going to try to pin one onto someone's range bag without them noticing.