TGO David

WOOHOO!!! Now you can finally walk the dog w/o fearing for your life.

Maybe.

I am thankful for Wal-Mart every time my wife and I shop at Publix and Target. Wal-Mart keeps those other two stores primarily English-Speaking only.

As long as it wasn't me, I'll help you make fun of that person.

Unfortunately while not high in fat, I did just check the caloric content of Jack Daniels and some sources list it at: "1 shot/nip, 30ml contains 65 calories. 1 double shot/jigger, 60ml contains 130 calories" So I must respectfully insist that you retract your statement. Children don't need to be drinking Jack Daniels anyway.

I will say this: Force on Force training is a real eye opener. It's amazing how fast a person can be right on top of you with a knife or just beating your head in with a ball bat or piece of pipe. The amount of time you will have to react in a random incident of violence is able to be measured in fractions of seconds. Once you see it for yourself, you realize that the idea you'll somehow have time to draw and ward off evil with the sight of your firearm is complete and utter crap. God forbid it happen to any of us, but if it does, most of us will barely have time to draw our own firearms and begin defending ourselves. That's why it is imperative to remain vigilant and try to avoid the fight to begin with.

If you are able to defuse the situation by drawing upon the attacker and they wisely choose to halt their aggression toward you... then by all means don't pull the trigger on them. HOWEVER: Statistically speaking most self defense encounters happen at conversation distance. If you produce your firearm at arm's length from your attacker and just hope that the guy's going to suddenly give up the fight and walk away from you, you're probably going end up getting hurt or worse. I stand by my assertion that when you clear leather, you better be committed to pulling the trigger. If there is enough distance between you and the assailant that you have ample time to produce your firearm and "threaten them off" with the mere sight of it, you probably had other options at your disposal. Like running the other direction, really really fast. There is no pat answer to this. But I think far too many of us (and again I'm guilty in the past) tend to base our mental scenarios on what we've seen on TV or in the movies. Those are scripted events! A bad guy surrenders at the sight of a gun because a screenplay author said so. In real life, if someone is beating the hell out of you are approaching you at break-neck speed with a knife in their hand, they probably won't even notice your gun aimed at them until it's too late for them. Adrenaline and/or rage will absolutely give human beings tunnel vision. I'm glad we're having this conversation because it is good mental exercise to examine all of the angles and possible outcomes.

Rock the casbah! Actually all EBRs are cool.

I'm so tactical my wife had to get a carry permit just so that I could ride in the car with her.

The classes taught at the YMCA (Coolsprings only!) and the Jewish CC are $80 per month with a 1yr contract or $100 per month w/o contract. Please check and confirm with their web site as I'm just going off the top of my head here.

Thanks for sharing this! I wish we had more info like this being posted here, so I'm pretty pumped to see someone sharing it.

None of the states in the top 10 should be very proud of themselves. Kentucky would score higher but you've gotta have jobs to buy groceries.

Link: http://www.midsouthkravmaga.com/frame_nashville.htm Classes are being offered at the Coolsprings YMCA and at the Jewish Community Center in the Bellevue / Bellmeade area. I am in no way affiliated with this group but I am considering joining as a student very soon. I first heard about Krav Maga several years ago and have been hoping that someone would start offering it in Nashville ever since. This is a very effective, very simple and very potent form of what I would consider "structured street fighting" techniques. One of the best things about it in my opinion is that it also teaches you how to deal with weapon retention and how to wrestle a weapon away from an attacker. As an additional bonus... if I do end up taking this, it will be a great opportunity for anyone here who hates my guts to show up and try to kick my ass in a controlled setting. Be warned that I hate losing and will be trying equally hard to kick your ass in the process. Seriously though, I wanted to pass this information along. It's a great way to invest into your own self-defense abilities and gives you an additional tool to use rather than just having to rely on a gun.

Everyone hates an armchair quarterback so I'm going to try to avoid being one... but this is why it's also good to invest in other forms of personal preparedness. Like a martial art, or at least enough "street fighting" pointers to know how to buy yourself the few seconds of time it takes to draw your weapon and begin delivering fire. The more I learn and the more my eyes are opened to just how frickin EVIL some people in this world are and how quickly and badly they will hurt you with little warning and no provocation, the more I'm realizing that it is essential to develop a warrior's mindset if you are going to go armed. And what I mean by "warrior mindset" is that you are willing to invest the time, energy and resources (money, equipment, etc.) into preparing yourself to deal with the worst that this world has to offer in a means that positions you to come out on top. HunterH and I were just discussing this last night and both of us have come to realize that hand to hand training is an important and often overlooked aspect of personal protection. He's got a huge leg up on me there as he already has several years worth of martial arts training to his name, and I'm just now investigating getting started. But anyway... I digress somewhat. Back to the subject at hand: That's why I said this guy really needed for his wife to be carrying also. Between the two of them, once the S really started to HTF, she might have been able to access her own firearm and start delivering shots into the bad guys even if he couldn't access his own. And as others observed, once a few of the bad guys started going to the ground with sucking chest wounds, the others probably would have fled the scene. Honestly I hope I never have to find out just what I'd do in this situation. But I do use these news stories to analyze my own preparedness and make plans to fix the areas where I see vulnerabilities. Hopefully we all do.

If you're in East TN I would check with the fine folks at Austin's Tennessee Firearms School (link here) and inquire about their offerings for a defensive pistol class. TGO Member "Phantom6" is the owner and I have heard nothing but good things from those who have taken some of his classes. He's located near Oak Ridge. If you are willing to travel to middle Tennessee, I have had personal experience with Critical Incident Strategies (link here) and cannot say enough good things about the instructors or the defensive pistol class. Both of these groups may have other recommendations for you based on proximity to where you live. I've watched the NRA basics class being taught before and I don't think it will really compare to the sort of nitty gritty information that you're going to get from either of these two schools. The NRA class looked like a nice primer for someone who was completely new to handguns. A good defensive pistol class will be at least one tier above that in terms of the drills they have you perform, the training you receive and the amount of eye opening information you get.

I've changed my mind on the optics after having done a little more research. I am returning my LaRue #LT110 mount for the EOTech and am exchanging it for a LaRue #LT129 cantilever mount for the Aimpoint Comp M3. The Comp M3 will be my primary sighting system with the iron sights being the backup. Consider this change as just being an evolution of thought. Also, my lower receiver arrived at Spike's Tactical this morning so the clock has officially started. We'll see just how long it takes for it to arrive back in my hands. Finally, the paperwork for the BATFE tax stamp is done. I'm going to review it one last time tonight and then forward it on to the BATFE along with my $200 contribution to their pizza-money fund. 10-12 weeks seems to be the normal wait time on receiving the tax stamp right now. So there really isn't any reason for me to rush on the remainder of the components for the rifle project.

Very good point.

I mean absolutely no offense to anyone in this thread, but any time I read or hear someone propose (a.) drawing and brandishing to "scare away" the bad guys or (b.) firing a warning or wounding shot first... I am reminded of just how important it is for anyone who carries a handgun for self defense to seek out and obtain good defensive handgun instruction. These two things are huge No-No's. You never draw unless you are committed to shooting your adversary. You never shoot your adversary unless you are ready to shoot him or her completely to the ground. No warning shots. No winging them. You shoot them center of mass and do so as many times as is necessary to completely stop the threat. Any good trainer will instruct you that the threat is not stopped until the assailant(s) is on the ground and no longer posing a threat to you. Please, I implore anyone who does not have absolute clarity on what you may or may not do in a self defense situation... GET FORMAL, PROFESSIONAL INSTRUCTION FROM A REPUTABLE TRAINER. I can recommend one such outfit in middle Tennessee based on my personal experiences. There are others that I can recommend but do not have experience with. It really doesn't matter who provides it as long as the training is good, factual and not full of bad or outdated information or silly impractical tactics.

None of my Glock 19's mags make a peep.

I'm not picking on you here but I am using this quote as an example of a trap that I think we allow ourselves to fall into too frequently. Criminals travel to work just the same as you and I travel to work. We absolutely MUST get past the false sense of security that we assign to certain areas just because those areas are predominantly upper class, or predominantly crime free, or predominantly white, or black, or red, or whatever. If you are outside the four walls of your own home, you cannot guarantee what sort of element you are going to interact with. PERIOD. In my past, I have been very guilty of choosing when I would or would not go armed based on what sort of situation I thought I might encounter at whatever place I was going. This sort of thinking will get you hurt or killed. If we all knew when and where we would need our sidearms for self defense, wouldn't we all just avoid being there in the first place??? The fact is you never know. Ever. The wolf prowls seeking those whom he might devour. You do not ever know when or where the wolf will surface. It's your duty to be vigilant and to be armed to protect yourself and those you love. /end rant

Yes, he definitely could have shot any / all of them and it been a justifiable shooting. The guy ended up with a fractured eye socket and multiple head injuries! This was clearly a fear of imminent loss of life or serious injury situation.

Signs never seem to stop the criminals so I have a hard time letting them stop me anymore. What this guy needed was a wife who was carrying also.

These pathetic pieces of **** are everywhere, people. Any one of us could be next... but God willing we and those around us would be armed. http://www.startribune.com/local/25472764.html?location_refer=Homepage:highlightModules:1

I'm moving the off-topic content out of the thread in the Vendor area and setting up a new thread in the lounge...

We need to find a newer production date M&P 40 and see if the magazines have the stamped ribs in them as the mags from my M&P 9L do. It seems that my mags don't rattle at all and I suspect those ribs help stabilize the rounds inside the tube.