TGO David

The situation with Marswolf has totally derailed my ability to plan anything the past few days. I'm wondering about doing this on a SUNDAY in October so that people who don't normally attend might have the chance to. What do you all think about that?

Back home we'd use an old swing-set frame (two a-frame ends and the bar between them) to hang the skinned and gutted carcasses out in the cold air to cure out overnight. Of course, modern rifle season was the first week or two of November also. Anyway, this was on a farm so we'd leave the gut pile in the field and then a couple of us would hang out til near dark with a thermos of coffee and our rifles and wait for the coyotes to show up.

Sorry. Can't please everyone. Yep. Done. See, one out of two isn't so bad is it?

M1 = Garand 30-cal rifle (.30-06 / 7.62) M2 = Browning Ma Deuce 50-cal machine gun M3 = GM .45ACP sub machine gun (aka Grease Gun) M4 = Colt M4 5.56mm M5 = Doesn't exist yet

I am crossposting this from M4Carbines.net with the author's permission. I think you will see that it drives home one of the prime lessons about gun safety. Namely, keep your finger off the trigger unless you're ready to shoot something! Read on... ************************************************** Originally posted by Littlelebowski on M4Carbine.net ************************************************** The following pictures depict the aftermath of a gun shot wound inflicted by a .45ACP 230 grn. hollow point projectile, fired at a distance of less than two feet from a 4” barreled Kimber Pro Carry 1911. The victim is a healthy, robust, adult male, thirty-three years old, and an eight year veteran of the United States Marine Corps. The injury was inflicted while the victim was in the front seat of his Jeep Cherokee, driving two passengers whom he described as co-workers to the firing range. From the driver’s seat, the victim described hearing a muffled ‘pop’ and accompanying spontaneous loss of use of his right arm. He described a total loss of digital mobility, and a sensation as if his arm were a “Tentacle or over cooked noodle just limply hanging there, totally useless and unresponsive.”* Apparently, one of the passengers had taken the Kimber pistol from the range bag while sitting behind the victim. Outside the victim’s field of view, the passenger had inserted a loaded magazine, and cycled the action with his index finger resting on the trigger, discharging the weapon. The projectile caused a ‘through and through’ injury, shattering the bones in the elbow, and exiting the front of the arm, where it grazed the victims rib before terminating in the dash board of the vehicle. The small wound that appears to be a stab wound is actually the exit path of the projectile, having passed through the front of the victims arm. The victim described himself as shocked but lucid, with the pain setting in rapidly over the first five minutes, and no possible use of the injured arm. He was able to safely stop the vehicle, exit, and enter the passenger side with assistance, allowing his passenger to drive him to the hospital. Once in the passenger seat, he described the bleeding as minimal, in consideration of the injury, but the effects of shock left him sweating and groaning, biting his uninjured arm to steady himself. Surgery was not started until several hours after the time of injury, and a subsequent transport to a different facility. According to the victims account, any movement or ‘jostling’ of the limb during this time caused excruciating pain. The photo of the X-ray indicates the extent of the reconstruction necessary. Bone grafts were taken from the right hip to repair the damage, and the expected 80-90% recovery of limb mobility and strength is being described as ‘miraculous.’ The first three major surgeries occurred over two days, requiring four bolts and other pictured hardware. The victim described the pain after the surgery exceeding that of the original wound significantly. The ordeal left him weak, dehydrated, and afflicted with further injuries from catheterization and other improper or rushed care. His recovery is not yet complete, though he has returned to work on restricted duty. The injury provides us with several lessons: First, and most importantly, is the tragic result of failing to follow the basic fire arms safety rules. Uncertain of his background or muzzle direction and with finger on the trigger, the shooter managed to inflict a permanent injury through negligence alone. Second, is the total and instant loss of use of the injured limb. Though the victim described himself as mobile, and lucid, use of the limb in any way was beyond his capability. Had this been a fighting situation, he would not have been able to use his dominant hand for even the most rudimentary of tasks, even though he remained able to “fight” for a few critical moments more. Third, is the nature of the wound. Much is hypothesized about the effects of different types of munitions from different arms. Here we see an undoing of popular belief, where a hollow cavity projectile expanded, doing devastating damage on impact with bone, but proceeded through the limb, leaving a small exit wound. Though a single injury is not definitive, it does illustrate the falseness of some assumptions about the behavior of bullets. Especially those established by use of flesh simulating media, such as ballistic gelatin, that lack the skeletal structure and tension of living flesh. Finally, is the lesson of determination. The victim retained control of the situation, and of the vehicle. He acted to gain medical assistance, and did not panic. This saved his limb, and possibly his life. Beyond that, he did not accept the injury as limiting, and fought to regain use of his limb, aiding in his recovery. The victim remains to this day an avid shooter and proponent of fire arms. He takes pleasure in his continued use, and ownership of the fire arm he was shot with, and wishes most of all that his injury will serve to help educate other shooters on safety, and survival.[/i]

On a side note... I've been eating a lot of EAS protein bars and drinking EAS shakes instead of eating heavier meals. Dinner is my one "real" meal each day as it's the time that my wife and I get to spend together. I realize that the better solution to shed pounds would be to eat a real meal at breakfast and then have shakes and such the other two, but I digress. A rather unpleasant biproduct of eating the protein bars and shakes is "two week old eggs" flatulence. The only way you're going to catch me farting on a cop is if I get to take another CIS training class soon and crop-dust one of them on my way to the firing line. And I expect to get taserd for it.

It's not necessary but many old hunters still do it. The proper way to do bleed one is to hang the deer and then make a cut at the lowest possible point so that gravity does the work. Here's a decent guide on field dressing the animal: http://www.uwex.edu/ces/ag/issues/fmd/So_you_got_a_deer-G1598.PDF

Yeah, I saw mention of it over on the Hero Gear site the other day. It's a pretty bold move on the part of this Zeanah guy and one he'll likely end up regretting once the case goes to court.

Where do you live? If it is in the Nashville area, my wife and I or perhaps some of the other regulars, would undoubtedly be willing to meet you and yours at one of the many gun ranges nearby and let you try out a few different handguns. Sometimes just a little "time behind the wheel" is all it takes to make a better decision. My wife and I have several 9mm, 45ACP and .38spl handguns. I do not at present have a .40SW but that is probably a little snappier of a caliber than your wife might prefer. Women often tend to favor the softer push-like recoil of the .45ACP to the abrupt jerk of the .40SW despite the .45 being the larger caliber. The offer is an open invitation. Just let me know. If you live elsewhere in the state, I'm sure others would gladly accommodate you just the same.

Any 5-inch SIS "Custom" models without rails?

Frankly the only "case" that this conservative would accept for Obama is a long wooden box. Any other case for him than that just doesn't work for me.

Just a little suburb rivalry to keep it interesting. Didn't mean anything by it.

I probably watch Family Guy way too much.

The guard dog scene was a hoot.

I bet that hurts.

Oh, well then. In that case I have some useful contact information for you should you ever find yourself the victim of a crime: Telephone Assistance for Individuals: Toll-Free, 1-800-829-1040 Hours of Operation: Monday – Friday, 7:00 a.m. – 10:00 p.m. your local time That's the number for the IRS. Perhaps the tax collectors will be of assistance, but please note that they are open only between the hours of 7am and 10pm. If something bad happens to you during the night, you'll just need to leave a voicemail and perhaps someone will get back to you.

re: Magiccarpetrides... I'm sure you know this, but +P is a very open ended term. Once it goes beyond SAAMI spec it can be labeled as +P by the manufacturer, but each manufacturer's idea of +P is different. +P is generally 10% higher than the SAAMI spec, but fudge factor is allowed. As you indicated, running it through a chrono is the only way to verify what's really happening once the wick is lit.

Nope. I overlooked adding that back in. It should be there now though.

The guys holding down the fort in the Green Zone think it's safer than other parts of Iraq too.

I know what you're talking about dralarms. I just need to add it back in.

I don't think we'd allow that. Dotsun, let me know what your post count should have been.

Thanks... I will forward that information to the funeral director tomorrow.

{cough} glock21sf for everyone {cough}

So... did you put the rifle on the top of the stairs with a bow on it and say "Come and get it! Come on! You can do it! What's wrong? Can't you wheel up here and get your gift?" On second thought, obviously not. She has the rifle and you're still alive to post this.