TGO David

I tried to make it more Commie-like with the krink brake, though.

Please clarify the problem you are having, with specific reference to whichever sub-forums you are unable to post in.

With some 300mph tape, I bet it could.

I'm moving this thread to the General Off-Topic forum considering the direction it has taken.

Quad rail with primer dispenser?

To his defense, I see where he was headed with that statement. I've shot black powder before and it is more challenging in a hunting or combat (Revolutionary War, Civil War) setting because you seriously have to make every shot count. There is no rapid follow-up, so if you miss your shot, you have a relatively large window of opportunity while reloading during which your quarry can escape or your adversary can shoot back. As for attention to detail, unless you reload your own ammo, you're not paying as much attention to powder load on the firing line as the muzzle loader is. So yes, he has a point albeit one that was being made rather derisively at the expense of the mil-spec, modern arms shooter. Definitely not an attitude becoming the Vice President of a shooting club and not something I'd want my elected or appointed leadership saying about other members of the shooting community. Considering that OHGC presently has a flyer that they want members to download and distribute to attract new membership, this is not the sort of comment that helps an outreach campaign. It seems to me that there is a deep divide among the membership of OHGC. On one hand, you have the primitive arms enthusiast who enjoys his "craft" and prefers the slower pace and simpler design of his firearm. I can respect that. On the other hand, you have the modern arms enthusiast who either enjoys the practical / tactical aspects of his firearm or maybe just fell in love with the smell of cordite back in boot camp. I can respect that too. But these two factions appear to be opposed to one another for some reason rather than finding a common bond in the fact that we're all firearms enthusiasts and that we're all out there doing something that we truly love. Rather than being snide and closed-minded toward one another, it would be much better if both camps would treat each other with mutual respect. *shrugs sadly* PS: For what it's worth, I copied this comment over there. Sometimes the leadership needs to be taken to task for their actions. God knows I've had it done to me here on TGO plenty of times.

Furthermore...

I would welcome an alliance with GGC if such a thing is possible. But I would also have to remind everyone that any time we are on someone else's property, their rules are the law of the land. Wherever we shoot, we must be respectful of the rules otherwise we risk leaving a bad impression of TGO. That being said, respect is a two way street so it will be expected of the hosting organization to be courteous and fair to our members as well. That is the crux of the problem from this past Sunday as far as I am concerned.

I would agree with that statement.

In light of the way that the TGO members as guests of OHGC members were treated by one of the Range Officers on Sunday, October 19th 2008, I am going to respectfully decline to host further shoots at the OHGC range until I have had a discussion in person with that organization's leadership. I noticed, as did other OHGC / TGO members, that we were being inordinately bulldogged or harassed by one of the Range Officers, prior to the rapid-fire incident much later in the day. Therefore it is my conclusion that our presence was unwanted well before the rapid-fire incident and that said incident only served to further exacerbate the issue. As a member of OHGC, I do intend to enjoy the facilities personally and privately until such time that I am asked to stop doing so. I would encourage other TGO members who are likewise members of OHGC to enjoy the facilities as well. You paid your $50 like everyone else and should not let one bad experience ruin your enjoyment of such a wonderful place to shoot. Understand, then, that I am not calling for any sort of boycott of the OHGC range or organization. Every group has it's bad apples and no group of people should be penalized as a whole because of that. However until we can assure that our members (and guests) are not treated unfairly, I will have to seek out another venue for future middle-Tennessee TGO shoots. I hope that you understand. Thanks. --David

Guys, let's remain as respectful as possible. Marshall is a former OHGC president and is the sitting-VP right now in light of the fact that their former VP recently resigned his post. Marshall was on the scene on Sunday and was the calmer, more even-keeled voice during the situation that resulted in Dan being ejected from the range. I believe that it's likely that Marshall may be the reason why we were not all ejected following that incident, given his calm demeanor. I'd welcome the opportunity to sit down and talk casually with him, OHGC's president and any of the OHGC / TGO members who were present on Sunday to review the situation as a whole (including the treatment we received from their Range Officer "George") as well as the full-auto firing incident. I hope that we can maintain a mutually beneficial relationship between the two groups, despite the fact that George flatly told me that our guest fees weren't wanted if we were going to bring "people like that" with us. And I still maintain that their idea of transporting a rifle with the muzzle in the air is incredibly unsafe in comparison to Positon SUL. It is the old way of doing things and gives no credence to a more progressive thought process regarding carbine safety.

My reply...

This morning, I had a reply from the acting VP of OHGC regarding my inquiry. I shall repost it here for the benefit of all.

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Just as an aside... I carried my Wilson Combat 1911 in my Milt Sparks VM2 on Saturday. It was comfortable but I found myself wishing that I had carried it in my MTAC instead every time I went to re-holster the weapon. The Kydex shell on the MTAC makes it far easier to reholster the weapon than the all-leather VM2 does.

If you've been fingerprinted and paid your fee at the Dept of Safety and been photographed at the DOS, you're now in the infamous holding pattern. Just sit back and try to wait it out for the next two months.

I'm not surprised. The media would have been all over the USAF for dropping a GBU into the middle of an Obama '08 campaign HQ.

Glad to hear it worked out well for you. I've always been pleased with his stuff.

Sorry, I mistyped. What I meant to say is that they lose about 90% of their muzzle velocity when fired straight up and return straight down, according to the Myth Busters report. Again, that's assuming a 90* trajectory for both launch and return.

Tower, I'll be upset if I don't see a pumpkin post-impact from a tower fall.

Bring that girl to the range someone, man. WWOD (What Would Oprah Do?) isn't the sort of thing she needs to be thinking about.

Replace whatever parts may be worn internally to make it a safely operable firearm again. Wipe it down with oil to a light sheen, then shadow-box it.

Dude... uncool. Telling a man you fondled his new firearm before he bought it is like saying you slept with his wife before he started dating her.

Mark, the reason he gave me was "perception". He stated that it looked as though I was carrying my firearm, ready to shoot someone. Those were his exact words. When I challenged him on the lack of safety in carrying the rifle muzzle-skyward, he said it boiled down to perception. When I asked who's perception we were talking about, he stated that it was "mine" (his). I wish I was making this up but sadly it's the complete truth.

Looks really good!