TGO David

The promotions products company I use is absolutely great about accommodating one-off orders. If you only want or need one of them, I can probably get it. Likewise larger quantities. Let me see if I can find something that matches what you described and I'll let you know.

PS: IT people irk the crap out of me, and I'm an IT person. Honestly I can't stand most of my peers in this industry because they often are socially inept and measure the size of their gender-specific organs based on how cutting edge they are with technologies that the rest of the world doesn't give a rip about. These IT employees at Nissan are probably paid better than 90% of the industry professionals in similar jobs at other companies. I'd tell them to dig deep into their cheap-assed wallets and pay for their own food like everyone else does.

Dear Sir; Thank you for taking the time to email and inquire about our products. At my company, we too are feeling the pinch of the current economic climate so I empathize with your plight. However, just as Nissan could not expect to stay in business long if they were to give away cars, I cannot expect to stay in business long if I were to give away my products. [ optionally insert a statement to the effect that you would offer them to him at a slightly discounted rate in exchange for him making your business cards available at this function, and mentioning that the refreshments were provided by your company ] Then sign it Bob Lutz. j/k

No joke! The doctor referred to it as strickets... which apparently is a lot like rickets disease, but it's a softening of the crotchoidal bone. Thankfully the testosterone in my body rejected the disease and kicked it's ass.

Gotcha.

This gets my vote!

@Hexhead: Understood. Thanks for clarifying your stance on it. We do agree on the vast majority of it.

I know this post is going to come off as being kind of blunt, so apologies in advance... but you really seem hung up on the whole issue of carrying in bars. Am I correct to understand that you do not support my right to carry a firearm for my self defense should I choose to accompany friends to a pub even though I will not be consuming alcohol? Or should I not be allowed a means of self defense if I choose to go see a musical act or a comedian at a place that primarily generates its revenue off of selling alcohol? I agree wholeheartedly that we do not need to engage in drinking alcohol while simultaneously carrying a firearm, or driving a car, or performing open heart surgery or anything else like that. But I do not agree that I should have my fundamental right to a means of self-defense just because I am in a setting where someone else might be drinking. I've been present at a LOT of private parties, BBQ dinners, etc. where friends and strangers alike were swilling beer and I was armed. Not once did I suddenly and uncharacteristically whip out my sidearm and start shooting people because of my proximity to their drinks. For that matter, I've enjoyed a nice cold beer in my own domicile on more than one occasion and had a firearm within reaching distance. I never shot my wife, my dog, my kids or my television. I was tempted to shoot the television once, but that was during the Presidential Debates and I wasn't even drinking that time... I guess what I'm picking up here is that you believe there should be limitations on where a law abiding citizen should be allowed to carry a sidearm for his or her protection, based solely on the current activities of other people at that location. This seems... well, stupid.

I understand where you're coming from and have considered that aspect as well. But I'm convinced that now is not the time to sit back and hope that someone else fights the battle for us. If we do, we risk seeing the rights we've labored to keep fade into the annals of history. I firmly believe that the vast majority (90% or greater?) of firearms owners are content to let organizations such as the NRA fight for their right to keep and bear arms. Perhaps a lesser percentage support the NRA and vote into office those who will protect their rights and vote out of office those who threaten them. Perhaps I'm being disingenuous to gun owners in general, but I see apathy everywhere I look. And if not apathy, I see laziness or fear of doing something that might rock the boat. A lot of gun owners are simply sportsmen who only care about their sporting rifles. They don't fear the government banning their Browning duck gun or their Remington deer rifle, but could care less about you or I owning a Glock to carry for protection or an AR15 to enjoy at the range. Hell, I think every American home ought to have a copy of our nation's main battle rifle and believe that our founding fathers did too. It's just that when they penned the 2nd Amendment, our main battle rifle was a flintlock. The problem that I see is that people want to leave the fight to the NRA or to their elected politicians. The NRA is great at fighting on a national level, but they are limited in what they can do locally. Politicians come in two flavors it seems (Good or Bad) and sadly we don't always end up getting what we voted for. Yet some gun owners take on the mentality that supporting the cause only means getting off their butt every two or four years to go vote, or writing a check so that the NRA has funding to do the dirty work for them. Pffffft!!!!! It's high time that gun owners take on the burden themselves and become active supporters and protectors of our Liberties. I'm not saying we need to take up arms and stage a revolution. I'm saying that we need to stage a different kind of revolution and we need to do it by hitting those who fight against us where it hurts the most. When it comes to politicians who threaten our liberties, we need to hit them hard at the polls. When it comes to business people who will take a public, activist stance against our liberties, we need to hit them hard in the wallet. Is it a punitive action? You better damn well believe it. But don't fool yourself and think that politicians and business people aren't already motivated out of fear. They are! The other side already manipulates them out of the implied threat of taking away their jobs, money, support, voting base, etc. if they don't cater to their agenda. Again I say it's time for us to fight this war using the rules that have been set by the other party. We're not winning much ground fighting it the way we have been through either gentlemanly conduct or back-alley deals brokered to gain legislative concessions. Those tactics are losing tactics. Like one of the signatures here on TGO says, If you find yourself in a fair fight your tactics SUCK. The other side knows this already. It's high time we come to terms with it ourselves and start fighting fire with fire.

Which is further proof that Governor Bredesen is either a moron lacking a fundamental understanding of the fact that Tennessee does not license "bars", or that he is simply another agent of the machine that is so willing to bend words with the sole intent of appealing to media hype and public fears. Either way, the voting public needs to remember this the next time they see his name pop up on a ballot for some other public office and vote to keep him unemployed.

I'll collect some photos and post them. We've decided to go with Norrell's Moly Resin finish on both JHatmaker's Glock and on Daniel's SIG. I wanted to make sure that the finish would be extremely durable and Norrell's is a bit different than Duracoat. It's also a little more involved in terms of prep and expense, but I think the results will be awesome. Jason's Glock slide will be media blasted and then coated with their satin Stainless finish. Daniel's SIG will likewise be media blasted and then have the frame coated in Flat Desert Tan and the slide in Flat Black. Per their web site... Norrell's product is currently used by the sub-contractors that manufacture US SOCOM products for H&K and the U.S. Military such as the sound suppressor for the H&K Mark 23 SOCOM .45 Cal. pistol used by the Navy Seals and Special Forces. It is also used by a number of firearm manufacturers.

*sigh* Tengo un pequeño reino.

I really like guys like Representative Todd. In fact, I sent him an email this morning...

You know, they say that possession is nine tenths of the law.

Will this work?

I can definitely have those made. What color do you have in mind?

I'd say that the best approach would be to take an existing safe from a reputable manufacturer such as Knoxx, Cannon, Browning, etc. and then fabricate a wooden enclosure for it that would allow it to blend into a more stylish decor.

Maybe some shooting (guns are good for keeping the King of England out of your face), definitely some grilling and a growler of Nut Brown Ale, and fireworks.

Found this elsewhere and thought I would cross-post it here for the sake of illustrating why it is imperative that we always observe the traditional laws of gun safety when handling our firearms. As someone on the source forum commented, we're not playing golf here. The firearms that we enjoy for recreation and for self defense are deadly weapons and as such must be handled with absolute care at all times. I will go ahead and point out one thing... the person guilty of the ND was an off-duty police officer. I do not want this thread to turn into LEO bashing! As some of our own resident Officers have stated before, not all cops are avid shooters. Some departments only make their officers qualify once a year and that qualification is the only time that some officers ever fire their guns. We are fortunate in my town that the PD makes their officers qualify more frequently than that. Further, our chief is a very pro-2nd Amendment individual and supports civilian carry. Anway, here's the story. Blue text is not mine: Earlier this week I got word of an incident at a nearby local range involving a long time friend who is a great promoter of the gun arts here locally. Today I made a quick trip out to his range, put in an hour of shooting time and heard the story first hand. Because of the intensity of what happened and the lessons to once again be learned and/or reinforced I pass this along. Straight up.........classic mistakes in gun handling almost got a man shot. Recently, a nine year veteran of local LE came into that range (out of uniform) for a little personal shooting practice. Right off he made a mistake by ignorning the sign posted at front door, but that might have been because he was armed and carrying off duty. Anway, for whatever reason he came in with a loaded uncased weapon. At that point things went straight to hell real fast. According to the owner and at least one on sight witness he apparently unholstered his duty weapon (GLOCK) and went to clear it. He racked out a chambered round, let the slide drop back home and THEN dropped out the mag. He proceeded to point the gun at the floor and pull the trigger. Sure enough the mistakenly chambered round went boom. The round bounced off of the concrete tiled floor, went into the "range rules" sign shattering the glass at the top (how ironic that is) and into wall behind it. The bullet travelled upward hitting something within the wall and then came back out angled downward and right into the corner of the desk where the owner was sitting in the process of making a phone call. The owner (an experienced combat veteran and one heck of a SD/HD promoter and trainer) honesty thought he had been fired upon as glass was raining onto him (he thought a round had come through the display case) and a bullet had just hit the desk right next to where he was sitting. He literally spun around coming up out of his chair while drawing his C&L laser equipped Kimber (which he always carries at the range) and according to both he and the witness present, dropped the safety, had the laser on the person's face and was preparing to fire when he realized that the man was not a real threat and what had actually happened. At that point he proceeded to lower his weapon and invite the person (in not very nice terms) to get out and never ever come back there. A picture of the sign with bullet hole between Range Rules, the broken glass at the top and the return downard angled hole (above to the right) as the bullet hit something in the wall and came back out headed toward the desk. The owner put up the Springer sign to cover up the exit hole after the incident although he plans to leave the Range Rules sign as is. Picture of his desk. The bullet landed just to the left of the left can and the owner was sitting just to the left of that. Both the owner (long time friend) and myself were glad he did not follow through with that last aspect of pulling the trigger on his Kimber. Once again...........be safe folks as things can get out of sequence real fast if one is not thinking all the time.

Please pay special attention to the start and end times. We will start at 12:00 noon to accommodate those who will be attending church that morning since it is on a Sunday this time. The official TGO portion of the day will end at 3:00pm. You are more than welcome to stay and shoot beyond that time but you will be on your own recognizance from that point forward. This is to say that we won't be there to interface between you and the land owner should a problem arise. Finally, we are doing this on Sunday this time because it allows people who usually have other obligations on Saturdays to attend. Next month we will have it on Saturday again, and may flip-flop like this throughout the summer. Thanks.

WHEN: Sunday, June 14th from 12:00am - 3:00pm WHAT: Middle Tennessee TGO Meet & Shoot WHERE: Spring Hill, TN (Owl Hollow Shooting Range) Cost to shoot as a guest is $5.00 per person. You must supply your own eye and ear protection, paper targets and target hanging materials. Rifle lanes require a heavy duty stapler and cardboard to hang targets to the backstops. The handgun pit requires cardboard, stapler and/or heavy tape to hang targets from the backstop. Recommend that you bring insect repellent and bottled water or soft drinks. Alcohol is not allowed! Weather dependent, also bring sunscreen and/or shoes that you don't mind getting muddy and dirty. This is an OUTDOOR range. Directions To Owl Hollow Shooting Range Range is located approximately 10 miles south of downtown Franklin, Tennessee in Williamson county. From I-65 South/North take the Peytonsville Road exit, #61; go West about .7 mile to the red light at South US 431 (Lewisburg Pike); turn South (towards Lewisburg) onto US 431 and go approximately 6.5 miles to Owl Hollow Road; turn west onto Owl Hollow Road; the range is located approximately 1.1 miles on the left side of the road. Approximate GPS Coordinates for those with GPS devices: Latitude 35.7606 N ; Longitude -86.8571 W *** There will not be an organized lunch connected to this month's get together *** Important Update Regarding Owl Hollow: As many of you know, the Owl Hollow Gun Club no longer has the lease for the shooting range. The range is now being run by the landowner. The landowner is fine with us continuing to meet there during the summer provided that we police ourselves and ensure that everyone is being safe and responsible. Some changes that should be mentioned are: There is now only the 25yd pistol pit. The short pistol pit has been closed down as of this writing. Only handgun calibers may be shot in the pistol pit. Centerfire rifle calibers may not. We did shoot some defensive shotgun (12ga) in the pistol pit yesterday and the owner did not appear to have a problem with that. Full auto weapons are not allowed to be fired in full auto. If you have a full auto, you can bring it and shoot it but you have to stay in single fire mode. Rapid firing is permissible as long as it is kept in 3-round, controlled strings. Bump firing is forbidden. Anyone doing anything unsafe will be asked to leave. Period. That's pretty much it. We will review these rules again on the day of the event just to make sure that there are no gray areas. It's imperative that we respect the wishes of the landowner if we want to be allowed to meet there again. Look forward to seeing you guys there!

If they weren't, my wife would never be allowed to bring me.

We're glad to have you with us. Welcome!

First, please quote and reply correctly. When you embed your comments as you did, it makes it very difficult to reply with any sense of continuity. Second, while some of your remarks may look cute at first glance, it just makes it look even more like you didn't think out your first response well enough to be able to substantiate it in follow-up responses. Point in case, StrickJ pointed out exactly why my reply refuted most of what you said initially. Had you qualified your remarks with a statement like, "I wouldn't render aid to a badguy because I might do something that would cause further medical trauma..." then it may have made sense. May have. Even still, the idea that you wouldn't render aid to a GSW victim because infection might set in is a bit absurd. Infection will likely set in regardless if the wound is left unattended. Bits of clothing, hair, skin will be forced into the wound channel, not to mention the bullet and bullet fragments. None of those will be sterile. It seems as though you just want to argue. I pointed out that your statements were essentially false but did it because I would not want someone else to read what you wrote and be fearful of assisting a friendly GSW victim. Most of us are savvy enough to ignore 90% of what we read on the Internet. Some of us aren't, which is why I try to keep misinformation at a low on TGO. There are plenty of forums elsewhere where you can argue with people for the sake of arguing. If you want to do it here, at least bring the facts.

Both parties have been issued 30 day temporary bans to cool down. Apparently neither is fully capable of engaging in a heated debate with another party without resorting to threats of violence against the other. There are plenty of forums on the Internet where you can behave badly. I can provide a link to one where it's actually considered to be a kosher form of discourse.