TGO David

Faucci is an utter assclown. His assertion that we don't know what the durability of the natural immunity is in comparison to that of the vaccine is ABSOLUTELY FALSE. We have had experience with the natural immune response to COVID-19 for a FULL YEAR LONGER than we've had experience with the vaccines. What a ####ing lying piece of ####.

What I'm about to say is hard to convey without seeming like an insensitive ass. We've lost good friends to cancer here on TGO and I know we've got folks here dealing with it now. So, I do not say any of this lightly, but it is important to understand the situation. mRNA treatments have historically been used to prolong the lives of patients with aggressive cancers. Note that I didn't say "cure" them. It just staves off death for a bit longer. The cancer comes back, usually, and another mRNA treatment is perhaps attempted. With luck, they get more time. The fact that cancer comes back as it "mutates around" the mRNA treatment seems to closely parallel what we're seeing with new strains of COVID-19 affecting vaccinated people. Those folks, if they lack the natural antibodies that come from having successfully fought off COVID-19 previously, are basically left defenseless by a vaccine that was specifically engineered for an earlier strain. This is why we're reading and hearing remarks from research scientists to the effect that these so-called booster shots may need to be tweaked to address newer strains. How many times can we alter the cellular level of a person's physiology before it begins to stack up and cause problems? The problem is, no one really knows. Because historically the patients who have partaken of mRNA treatments, the cancer patients, don't live long enough to provide researchers with a 10, 20, 30 year data-set. I don't trust the mRNA vaccines either.

BTW... I know some folks are probably teetering on the edge of their seats, but my take on our ability to disagree here on TGO is much like my take on "science". It if can't stand being debated and questioned, it isn't worth anything. You've been here long enough to have proven to everyone that you're not just some troll who happened to find TGO and uses it as a place to agitate people. But yeah, the interval probably will shorten the older I get.

It's literally... the same... medicine. Just different doses and perhaps different delivery mechanisms. You can give animals penicillin also. That doesn't make it a HORSE antibiotic. Seriously man, try harder. No but I knew my lane and how to stay in it. I know this because my elders didn't knock my teeth out, but then again - I didn't have the safety of the Internet to pontificate from back then. No, the interval will probably shorten. I've noticed that my tolerance for bull#### decreases each day.

First, calling it a "deworming medicine" is disingenuous and trite. As others have pointed out, Ivermectin has a variety of applications and is has been prescribed to humans for a long while now. You are calling it that because the media has saturated your brain with the term and because it's derogatory and makes you feel smarter than those fools who pop horse pills. Second, people are choosing alternative approaches to dealing with COVID-19 because there is no Off Switch or Undo Button for the mRNA vaccines. You might be OK being part of a test group for experimental vaccines and rolling the dice that you won't regret it immensely in the future, but other people aren't. Some of those people have been alive 2-3x longer than you have, and experientially understand that scientists have been known to #### up a time or two. Don't be so quick to dismiss them as being naive. People took the chance and tried to cling to sides of aircraft fleeing Kabul, Afghanistan just a few weeks ago. They did it because the alternative looked far worse to them. Honestly, your youthful smugness and condescension toward others reminds me of my oldest son. He's arrogant and an ass. I think both of you will end up regretting some of your positions on issues later in life after you've had a few more miles under your belt and start seeing through the propaganda and bull####.

I am not a lawyer, but I would imagine that it adds some complexity to the scenario of attempting to sue an employer over it. This on top of the normal complexity of suing an employer for terminating employment in an "at will" state. The reasons that an employer in Tennessee cannot terminate an employment are pretty limited: Employee Rights (tn.gov) I did get the J&J shot. I was given the typical sheets of paperwork prior to the jab that explained what the risks were. This is normal fare anytime you admit yourself for any sort of medical care, though. I skimmed it before letting Nurse Ratchet impale my shoulder with her rusty dagger, but I didn't read it in great detail. I'm probably rare in comparison to most folks in that I actually did read a bit of it, though. I would imagine that most folks treat it like the EULA on a software package and throw it in the trash without a glance. It's going to be interesting to see what happens in an employee vs. employer personal injury lawsuit regarding the vaccines. I figure it will differ from state to state according to whatever laws are on their books. The only thing for certain is that lawyers are going to pocket a bunch of money no matter who wins.

Just a general question, but is everyone here familiar with the fact that Congress passed a law in 1986 that protects vaccine manufacturers from being sued in civil personal injury and wrongful death cases? Or that the Supreme Court decided in favor of the Vaccine Act back in 2011 and decided that the federal law protects those manufacturers from design-defect claims as long as the vaccine was properly manufactured and carried adequate warning labels for any appropriate or relevant known effects? I will admit that I was not well versed in any of this until my wife, a Registered Nurse, dropped that little bit of knowledge on me. I could plagiarize, but I'll just throw some links out here instead... Can I Sue Vaccine Manufacturers? (findlaw.com) What Is the Vaccine Court and How Does It Work? (verywellhealth.com)

WAIT! You can't teach me a new word like "asswagon" and then leave! If I hit my thumb full-swing with a hammer, I am capable of swearing like a wounded pirate... but I've never even thought of combining those two words.

Ah, the ever popular Either-Or Fallacy at work. Nice. Completely wrong, but still nice to see that some people choose to reach for that lever since it's an easy one to pull. You actually can have it both ways and we used to do just that in this country when our moral convictions were stronger and we had a basis of ethics that gave us the fortitude to make stands and say, "Yeah - actually I can have it both ways if both ways are right, moral and just." An intelligent person with autonomy over themselves and their business absolutely should be able to pick and choose which causes he or she will support. There is no logical connection between deciding that you don't want a customer's business (i.e. refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding) and supporting the idea that companies should be able to force you to undergo a medical procedure, against your will, as a condition of employment. The only tie between the two is an ethereal hope or belief that there should be a connection, because it gives us a neat little template to lay over top of every problem and absolves us of having to use our brains to make spot decisions. There are several good reasons why I think that a person should get one of the COVID-19 vaccines if they fit into various risk profiles. Wanting a pay-check isn't one of them. You are a rarity on several fronts. Good for you! The bad news is that corporate HR departments and lawyers have had decades of experience dealing with labor unions and know how to spot an insurrection before it gains steam. These days they just fire you before you get a chance to organize a walk-out. "Kill one and the others will take note and be afraid." That sort of thing.

As a COVID-19 survivor, I take firm issue with these baseless claims!

My source was a guy on the ground, doing disaster relief. I couldn't tell you the last time I watched the news.

I'm hearing that the "levee" that the railroad runs atop alongside Highway 70 is basically what caused the sudden, tsunami-style flooding of Waverly rather than them having succumbed to waters rising at a pace that would have allowed forewarning and evacuation. Basically, that raised railroad was never intended to be a water-break but rather just to keep the rails themselves up off of the flood-plain. Unfortunately the area received so much water over such a short period of time, that the railroad did become an unintentional levee and wasn't designed for that sort of thing. The water piled up behind it and then the land beneath the rails gave way and a wall of water poured into town. A neighbor said he was driving through Waverly over the past few days as part of his church's disaster relief team and it was an eerie sight seeing the railway rails and ties suspended in air with nothing beneath them.

CVS Minute Clinic is the only one at a CVS that will do the J&J shot, down here at least. It was definitely a nurse who stabbed me. The pharmacist is the one who jabs you for the mutant DNA shot.

CVS is right up there with them. The nurse who administered my government tracking device went straight down into the top of my shoulder cap with the syringe, like she was trying to reenact a scene from Julius Caesar or something. Et tu, Nurse Sally??

United We Stand, Divided We Fall. Society is playing into the hands of those who want to reset it and remake it in their own image.

No, but I did see this on the news recently and am not sure how it sets with me. I also am not sure how this is possible since a mother's blood supply and child's blood aren't supposed to mix. In fact, bad things can happen if it does. First baby in U.S. born with antibodies against COVID-19 after mom receives dose of Moderna vaccine while pregnant - CBS News

OH, I do want to amend my previous comments about how exasperated I am about this. I should have framed my comments to state that I am not exasperated by anyone on TGO about the ongoing conversation. Actually, I tend to think that this is one bastion of sanity and civil discourse about the topic. I am probably on the verge of mental exhaustion when it comes to COVID-19 just because of how inundated we are with the subject at work, how much of a schism there is about it in my own team, and how "in your face" the company is about it with the employees. I really just need some relief from it. I want to respond "Unsubscribe" every time that I see a post or email about it at work or on social media.

@E4 No More how much time had elapsed since you took the COVID-19 vaccine and when the pulmonary embolism presented? Do you have any concerns that the two were related?

I get so pissed at my family for turning their ringers off on their phones. What's the damn point of the phone if it doesn't ring?? But, I digress. Call 911 first next time. If they bust your door down, I bet we can rally the troops on TGO and get it repaired.

Passing thoughts... 1. I really resent the fact that so many people have become self-proclaimed medical experts during this pandemic. 2. I really resent the fact that so many people have become amateur pundits on the topic of COVID-19 during this pandemic. 3. Social media has made the past two an even bigger problem, so I resent it at a higher level than I do #1 and #2 4. There aren't many people who trust the government and that's a big problem when the government perhaps tries to do the right thing during a pandemic but can't persuade people to believe them. I resent politicians more than I do any of the the first three in this list. 5. I am so tired of the proselytizing. So tired. I'm more tired of it related to COVID-19 than I ever am of it during political cycles, and that's saything something - because I f'king hate it during political cycles too. People have talked this subject to death to the point that a lot of folks just tune it out now. There is no signal to noise ratio because no one cares... it's all noise now to most people. 6. GO TALK TO YOUR DOCTOR. Follow their advice! also... see this link. I should have amended my comments.

^^^ People do not need to skip ahead without taking stock of this post. It is the most practical thing I've seen written on the topic lately.

I have as much of a problem with people who criticize pharmaceutical companies for paying their executives and top scientists well as I do people who criticize captains of industry who get compensated well too. People take big risks for the chance of big reward. People invest huge amounts of talent, knowledge and effort into work that might generate big reward. Practically all of the significant medical advancements that we have seen in the past century and which greatly improved the quality of life or survivability of humans in previously dire scenarios came as a result of "Big Medical" (not just pharmaceutical companies) who profited greatly from it. I see nothing wrong with this. Yes, we need some healthcare reform in our country but I would really suggest we start with the health insurance companies. You're going to find that most of the greed you're searching for in healthcare resides there and the ripple effect causes all other prices to rise.

True, but the reasons why that Holiday Inn (hospital) is understaffed deserves a hard look and then something done about it. Healthcare providers who were put on the front lines last year with minimal protection and no vaccine mostly fared well, just like the rest of society. This year they are being forced to take a vaccine that they might object to for a variety of reasons. This goes back to the concept of individual freedom and the sanctity of one's own body. There will be the argument that you shouldn't have unvaccinated caregivers tending to vulnerable patients, but there is so much data supporting the fact that vaccinated people still spread COVID-19 that this should be a moot point. Also, none of these caregivers -- vaccinated or not -- are being allowed to interact with vulnerable patients without PPE anyway. Again, moot. Hospital administrations are doing little to nothing to incentivize the retention of experienced veteran nurses but are showering new hires with tens of thousands of dollars in hiring bonuses. Veteran staff sees this as a slap in the face, and rightfully so, and is leaving because of it. Lets face it: We all might juts LOVE our jobs, but work is the "curse of Adam". We do it because we need or want the money. Hospital administrators have also for years been running the fine line of "just enough staff" to cover the patient census. Nurses have been overworked for a long time. Add to that all of the above, and those who can are cutting bait and finding other careers. All of this is creating a talent vacuum in the healthcare industry. Nurses who know a thing or two because they've seen a thing or two are exiting the workplace. My oldest daughter who has only been a nurse for a few years is now training new nurses who are making more money than her. Read that again: She has just a few years of practical experience and is still very much learning herself. She's being required to train new nurses because there aren't enough seasoned nurses above her to do the job. I'm thrilled for her success but sad about what she's facing in the years ahead. Privatization of healthcare is still the right way to do this and I am staunchly against socialized medicine (because it gets a WHOLE lot worse under those types of programs) but companies in this industry need to get back to their roots and check their core values. If it's profit over care or profit over their people, they're wrong.

I'm seeing data that suggests that the reason hospitals are at capacity has less to do with COVID-19 and more to do with staff shortages. Apparently nurses, beginning last year, with enough years under their belts or enough financial stability to do so, have been getting very fed up with the dynamics at play within the healthcare industry and have begun leaving. In significant numbers. What I've begun tracking is data to the effect that there are ample beds in hospitals, right here in Tennessee... right here in Nashville... but not enough nurses to keep all of them open and available.

Men who eat genuine Mexican food from roadside vendors are infinitely less susceptible to COVID-19 and Tetanus. It's science. (Disclaimer: Not actual medical advice)