TGO David

Folks, I apologize for not having more to say until now. Suffice it to say that the nature of this event and the fact that we are trying to involve so many important political figures and other Honored Guests has made the initial logistics of just choosing a firm date for the event a bit challenging. The good news is... you can now ink this onto your calendar! Celebration Of Liberty Saturday, October 17, 2009 - Christiana, Tennessee Presented by: TNGunOwners.com, The Outpost Armory and Barrett Firearms, Inc. I wish that I could go ahead and rattle off the list of people that we are working hard at getting a commitment for attendance from, but I'm not yet at liberty to do so. Let me just say that the list of people has me giddy as it involves some folks who are heroes of mine for their stance on 2nd Amendment issues over the years. I think you will all be very pleased and equally excited once we start posting these details. I have had a series of meetings now with Chris Barrett and other key players and we are all extremely pumped about this event. It should be made clear that it's not about promoting any one vendor or manufacturer, but about promoting the preservation of the 2nd Amendment and putting all of us as voting, gun owning constituents, in front of our elected representatives and vice versa. Of course none of this would be possible without the hard work and backing of the event's two primary sponsors (The Outpost Armory and Barrett Firearms) but they themselves emphasize during every meeting that this is not about them, but about our Constitutional rights and about motivating and mobilizing the voters. Top notch people all the way around. I hope these little teasers are keeping you as excited as they are me.

It's been my experience that a person's like or dislike of a handgun often stems from the way it feels in their hands moreso than the "kick" of the recoil. If you can find a handgun of a more potent caliber than .22LR that she likes the feel of, you might be surprised to hear that she doesn't hate those larger calibers after all. I'd really suggest attending the July Meet & Shoot down in Spring Hill and let her try a variety of different handguns.

Agreed. There is apparently a bit of hand-fitting involved with the Performance Center sear which slows down the production process and adds labor overhead to the handgun. That's why the M&P 9-Pro costs a bit more than the M&P 9L or the standard 9. The combination of the Massachusetts trigger bar and return spring with the Performance Center sear is one that does not come stock on any of the existing M&P models yet. Todd Louis Green over at Pistol-Training.com is working on a special edition M&P that will include these tweaks, but it has to be ordered through one vendor that he has already designated. I believe it is G&R Tactical.

And it is back in my hands as of about 5 minutes ago. The trigger is sweet now. Initial impressions: The M&P should come like this from the factory. But if it did, you should be willing to pay slightly more for it. Trigger reset is short and results in an audible click. It's still not as tactile as my Glock 19 trigger but I will concede that there are enough differences in the sear design that it might be impossible to provide that same "click" against your finger w/o somehow violating a Glock patent. Trigger reset is authoritative. The Massachussetts trigger return spring really shoves that baby forward. It's practically impossible to move your finger faster than the trigger can follow. There's no way to "slap" the trigger now. Pull weight may have increased slightly... ever so slightly... but the Performance Center sear is like butter, so you barely notice it. There is no perceptible creep of the trigger now and it breaks crisply and suddenly, like a glass rod. I'm going to send my M&P 40 off for this next.

Damn nifty. I need an iPhone now.

This thread is not about that issue. This thread wasn't even seeking to discuss that issue. This thread was simply a warning about a problem with the design of the holster if an injured shooter drill is performed using the outlined method. The comments about the finger engaged locking mechanism are off-topic and are killing the signal to noise ratio in this thread.

Temporarily disabling his account and sending him an email. Will leave the account disabled until he gets his computer squared away.

Sounds like a reading comprehension problem. This thread isn't about shooting yourself because of your holster. And if you're shooting a 1911, you can afford a better holster than a SERPA. Then you've never done the drill that the original post was about. Again, reading comprehension. Read the first post. Was it even remotely dealing with this problem? Holy crap... this wins the honor of being the most unsuspected wild-ass tangent to come up in a SERPA holster thread. No, I don't think you could do that with an automatic. Revolvers typically have thin little pencil-like barrels whereas automatics have squarish slides unless you're shooting a P-38 or a Luger. And the Cav used leather holsters so obviously there was a little give in the material. The Blackhawk SERPA is injection molded plastic with no give. You can't put a square peg into a square hole and then rotate the peg. Not in this reality at least.

I swear... This thread wasn't started to debate whether or not you're going to shoot yourself in the ass as soon as you remove the SERPA holster from it's packaging. It was started to alert people to the possibility of a fatal flaw in the design should it be used to do "injured shooter" drills, or worse yet, in a real situation where you ARE the injured shooter. It's one thing to have a failure like this on the firing line in a class. It's another thing entirely to have a failure like this in real life when the S has already HTF. Think about that! The only reason you'd be inserting your sidearm into the holster backwards would be to do a one-handed reload because your other hand and/or arm was injured. Then your gun CLICKS into place and won't come out due to the SERPA lock jamming against your front sight. You're already shot once... now you're really screwed. If your particular SERPA holster doesn't have the plastic tab, awesome. Ignore this thread and enjoy life.

Says the guy who replied 7 minutes after I posted it?

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Copying this from M4Carbine.net ... it should be particularly of interest to those who have performed the weak-hand drill described in this post at any number of training programs that teach it. I know for a fact that we did this plenty at the CIS Defensive Pistol class but I don't recall anyone taking that class with the combination of gear described herein. Todd & Dustin... might be a good one to keep on file. ----8<---------------------------------- During a recent training event, an officer in a partner agency experienced a problem with his Glock 21 and Blackhawk Serpa holster combination. During support-hand, single-hand drills, he inserted his G21 into his Serpa holster backwards during a drill. When he attempted to draw the gun from the holster, it was locked into place. Removal of the gun required partial disassembly of the holster. The holster operated as designed. The problem can be duplicated. Examine the inside of an empty holster. Along the back wall, there's a plastic bar that starts in front of the trigger guard and ends about halfway to the bottom of the holster. As the gun is inserted, that bar is compressed against the holster body by the dust cover, creating a friction fit. If you insert the gun upside down as described, that lever is compressed first by the front sight, then by the balance of the slide, creating the same friction fit. The trouble starts after the front sight clears the end of that bar. The FS is taller than the slide, and after the end of the bar clears the FS, the bar snaps down onto the slide. When you try to pull the gun back out, the bar catches the FS locking the gun in place. You can correct the problem by removing the screw that holds the bar in place, or you can slide a long narrow paddle of some sort in to raise the bar above the FS allowing it to clear. Fatal flaw: This cannot be corrected while in the fight. The gun is stuck. I could duplicate this holster failure with Glocks 17, 21, and 23 and the appropriate Serpa for each. Unknown how other designs might be impacted. If users insist on keeping the Serpa, they must not employ this particular method of refunctioning the gun during such drills. There are many other, high quality, holster options which have no such problems. Photos of the problem with a G21 follow.

With Clarksville being on the border of the Ft. Campbell Army base, there have to be plenty of movers up there. Perhaps someone with experience using one of them will spot this and chime in.

This thread wasn't started as a discussion of WHY. The people who want to use the form know WHY they want to use it. The people who don't use the form won't be convinced, so there's no reason to debate it. Coincidentally, the people who won't use the form also won't be sold a gun by me either.

There's always the option of shooting some moly resin on the slide after it's been milled.

Smith & Wesson completed the work and shipped the firearm back to me yesterday. I should have it tomorrow. All told this has taken about four weeks, which I suppose isn't bad but it would have been excruciating were this my only firearm. Of course no sane person would own just one firearm. I have a Glock. I wanted something nicer.

[/url]The Safe House can probably help you with that. With it coming out of the back of a truck with no lift-gate and just a rattly metal ramp, I don't think I'd want to be the guy trying to do it by hand.

Yep, we typically run up to September or October before the weather gets too chilly for scheduled events.

Um, typically not in a 5.56 or .223 as the powder charge almost entirely fills the case.

When in Rome, do as the Romans. In other words... it's not worth losing your job over this.

Yeah, the cabinet isn't very difficult to come by. I'm just making sure that this one is set up to handle a variety of different configurations, possibly including powder coatings.

Media blasting where appropriate.

Majority will always rule. I'm sure someone could sub for you once at the charity facility if that's the only way you can make it.

It does look that way. I'm in the process of getting a larger curing oven put together. That is practically the only fly in the ointment right now. Hope to have it done soon.

I guess "better" is subjective. More rugged, perhaps. My VZ Grips Alien grips are quite a bit more grippy. Moreso than wood even. These Alumagrips are a little thinner and less likely to grab onto cover garments, though.