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Wait... wasn't there a thread on here just yesterday or the day before where someone was complaining that a journalist at the Nashville Scene had referred to gun owners as "assclowns" ? I suppose it's ok for us to refer to people that we don't agree with as asshats, however. I'd suggest taking the high road. I wish I knew someone who had actually read TGO's Code of Conduct and knew that promoting illegal activities isn't tolerated here. Further, what you are in essence advocating, beyond the criminal act of hacking a server and defacing a web site, is in essence the practice of stifling the web master's right to Free Speech. How can we expect anyone to realistically appreciate our Right To Bear Arms if our members think it is OK to squash other people's rights? And need I remind anyone here how much it F-ING SUCKED when TGO's own web server was under attack just a few months ago? That cost me a lot of time and money to resolve, and we were forced offline quite a bit because of it. THINK BEFORE YOU POST.

There was a poll to begin with but I removed it.

Hex, the beauty of the American system is such that if you don't like the laws of a particular State you can either vote to affect change or you can move to a state with laws more to your liking. So when you hit the point that you've had more than you can take of the nonsense here in Tennessee, which I do agree is completely nonsensical, the lawful recourse would be to pack up and move to another state. Or you can stick it out here and fight the good fight with the rest of us, but do so legally.

Chris Costa recommended that if we do that, we do Dynamic Carbine first as it will address several fundamental things that will help in Dynamic Handgun. So yes, that discussion has already taken place. If we do, we'd likely do Handgun later in 2010 so that people have time to replenish their wallets and ammo supply.

Wow, that's crazy. Just to think, you could have picked up any number of pre-built AR's of equal or better quality since then. Del-Ton really needs to get on the ball.

An injunction would postpone the law going into effect. If that happens, you would be breaking the law if you carry into a place that serves alcohol and is not otherwise posted. So this thread really should be: Hey, how many of you are going to break the law on July 14th? Maybe start a new poll with that title and let me know so that I can call the media and direct them to a thread where supposedly responsible, upright citizens are indicating that they intend to do something unlawful. Seriously, think before you post a thread.

Welcome, Dennis. I recently took up reloading myself. It really adds another dimension to our hobby doesn't it?

The plan right now is that you only pay if you eat. The proceeds from that go to the guy supplying and cooking the food.

That's my ring tone.

I'm going to go easy on you guys who voted NO and change the poll. All of us men here are manly men (except for StrickJ) so I know it's not a lack of testosterone keeping you away from the class. Ammo costs alone will be pretty steep.

If any of our vendors want to do that, I would certainly welcome it and add that information to the first post in this thread. Perhaps several vendors would even be willing since students might end up coming from various parts of the state. Vendors, if you're interested hit me up with the info. Thanks!

Folks, please join me in welcoming Jasongar8 as moderator in the Class III (NFA) Firearms and Accessories forum. Jason has quite a bit of experience in this area. Anyone who attended the June 2009 Middle TN Meet & Shoot will remember Jason as one of the folks who brought the Browning M2 .50cal and the Browning .30cal as well as a few different NFA toys.

Exactly. It never ceases to amaze me that some people are always looking for the dark lining to a silver cloud.

You know, I'd have already done that if it were that simple. We are still waiting on final word from several key players. Hang tight.

First post in this thread updated to reflect event date and time: Saturday, July 18th. 11am - 2pm.

Yeah, it's a lot of brass. Easily $800 worth if you shoot XM193 and don't buy it in bulk. Magpul Dynamics has no shortage of people wanting to take their classes and the AAR's that I have read elsewhere are nothing but glowing. I've yet to read an AAR from someone who felt like they didn't get their money's worth out of their class. As far as I know, you're welcome to run whatever gear you use in the field. If there are specific items that you're concerned about, let me know and I'll ask Chris Costa when I speak with him next. I'm really hoping for the 3-Day class, myself. I realize it adds even more overhead in terms of ammo, but Chris says that with a 3-Day class, by the time Day 3 rolls around you're getting to do some pretty advanced stuff.

They say the following is their guideline: 2-Day Course: 1500rds carbine, 200rds handgun 3-Day Course: 2000rds carbine, 300rds handgun I understand that these numbers are enough to make some people wince. It's also enough to make others say "To hell with that" and not even try to attend. I tend to look at this as a vetting process, even for myself. If I am serious about the class and serious about wanting to learn, I'm going to make the investment. Some folks will want to attend but simply won't be able to because of the cost associated. I understand that and can empathize. I've been there. This will easily be the most expensive class that I personally have attended... but I know it will be worth the investment if I am able to put out for it.

I alluded to this in another thread a week or so ago, but... I have been in contact with Chris Costa at Magpul Dynamics and have begun discussions about TGO hosting a "Dynamic Carbine 1" class here in Middle Tennessee sometime in 2010. This would be at minimum a 2-Day course, possibly a 3-Day course if enough people are willing to commit to that. Costs associated with the class would be: 2-Day: $500 3-Day: $600 Range fee TBD (usually not much) Some background information: ABOUT MAGPUL DYNAMICS Magpul Dynamics is a tactical training company with a curriculum focused on Military, Law Enforcement and Private Sector professional skill sets. Designed by an expert team of instructors with extensive combat experience in the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, Central America and South America, Magpul Dynamics delivers skill-building courses for students ranging from novice to expert. Prioritizing efficiency and consistency in mind set, fundamentals and stress conditioning, the courses run the gamut from basic weapons skills to advanced dynamic assault in complex urban environments. Magpul Dynamics brings the best of what works to every class. ABOUT THE INSTRUCTORS Travis Haley | President Travis Haley is a veteran Force Reconnaissance Marine with 14 years of dedicated real world experience including combat tours in the Balkans, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa and other classified locations around the world. After leaving the military, Travis Haley has served as a special operations and security contractor including numerous PSD details for dignitaries such as Ambassador Paul Bremer, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Ambassador John Blaney of Liberia, and ECOWAS/MIL JTF task force commander General John Tuner. The founder, President and Director of Operations at Simply Dynamic Tactical, Mr. Haley developed and refined a tactical training program that he has used to instruct military, government security, law enforcement and private citizens. He brings both his dynamic training methodology and his leadership to Magpul Dynamics. Chris Costa | Director of Training Mr. Costa has spent the better part of the past 7 years in the private sector at Applied Marine Technologies Inc. and Linxx on assignment with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's Risk Management Division (RMD). At AMTI and Linxx, Mr. Costa specialized in Chemical, Nuclear, Biological and Radiological environments teaching Police Tactical Operations-CBRNE (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear or High Explosive) environments and providing Red Team Vulnerability Assessments on critical infrastructures for the US Government. Prior to this, Mr. Costa spent 12 years with the United States Coast Guard conducting law enforcement and special operations missions in Europe, the Middle East, and South America. In addition to being Lead Instructor, Mr. Costa's role at Magpul Dynamics is to direct all training and personnel and oversee product testing and development. ABOUT THE DYNAMIC CARBINE I CLASS An entry-level course where students are familiarized with their rifles. The class will thoroughly cover: Proper choice and placement of gear Different optics and accessories Effective shooting stance Proper weapon grip Recoil control Sight alignment Sight picture using iron sights and electronic optics Trigger control Speed reloads Tactical reloads Possible malfunctions of the rifle Strong and weak hand shooting while both stationary and on the move Different shooting positions Choosing the proper position for the task I will note that Mr. Costa informed me that a 3-Day Dynamic Carbine I class verges on material that they begin covering in their advanced Carbine II class. If we can pull off a 3-Day class with them, it would be much to our advantage to do so. That being said, his description of what constitutes an "entry-level carbine class" covers material that some training groups set aside for their advanced classes. You're going to be busting your butt and running your gear pretty hard. I NEED MORE MOTIVATION... Yeah? YouTube - Chris Costa Magpul Class YouTube - Magpul Dynamics Carbine Class OK, I'M INTERESTED! Good, vote in the poll associated with this thread. Only vote if you would SERIOUSLY make a very earnest effort to attend, if the class tuition is not an obstacle, and if you're not going to whine about not being able to find or afford ammo at the last minute. We need 18 commitments to make this happen. Go to it. ********* Folks, apparently I need to clarify something: I was asked if this didn't constitute a conflict of interest with our existing training vendors. The answer to that is No. Firstly, this idea sprang forth from a conversation that I had with Todd @ CIS a few weeks ago. CIS has actually helped set this into motion and will potentially be hosting Magpul Dynamics as long as their range facility is usable for the class. Secondly, any TGO vendor that wants to host an outside training provider and make that available to TGO's membership is more than welcome to do so. In fact, I will do anything that I can to facilitate it and assist with the planning and logistics. I was not involved in it, but Coal Creek Armory has also hosted outside training in the past and promoted it here on TGO. Thirdly, TGO itself is a "vendor" in the sense that we sometimes do make goods and services available to our members. There will sometimes be overlap in our vendor areas of expertise as TGO does not sell exclusive advertising rights either geographically or demographically. To that end, I'm not even making money off of a Magpul Class. The prices are high as is, so any additional fee would be suicide. Hope this helps it make more sense.

Not yet but it is tentatively being planned as a "most of the day" event.

Michael Jackson?

We aren't changing the date.

YES. Think "circus tent". Since it will be in October, it should be fairly nice outside.

Parking is an item that the Barrett folks will be addressing. They own quite a bit of land around the factory and may be mowing/clearing something for this.

Farrah Fawcett found herself standing at the Pearly Gates. St. Peter approached and welcomed her, saying "Farrah... you fought the good fight and lived a decent life. Before you enter into Heaven, is there anything that you would like granted to those left behind in the world?" Farrah thought for a moment and then replied, "Yes... I would like for the children of the world to be safe and grow up happy." Shortly thereafter, Michael Jackson died.

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