TGO David

Yeah but the .38SPL or .357Mag coming out of a J-frame would probably have better chances of success than the .380ACP don't you think?

You really should quit pining for him in secret and just visit Camden and offer yourself to him.

They kick the **** out of your breakfast and turn your milk FDE. Heck yeah!

Just to be clear, I don't begrudge you the right to carry openly. It's just not for me, for the reasons expressed earlier. If it's working for you then that's all that matters.

It's also common for a manufacturer to use the same slide between multiple calibers and simply machine the barrels for those different calibers using blanks of the same outside diameter. It reduces cost.

Do what?

Nah Tim... you know better than that. We still have plenty of TFA members here.

If that's all the game you brought to this thread, you're clearly hanging out with the .25ACP crowd.

Oh, I'm completely thankful that we do not have to be concealed in Tennessee. I also firmly believe that the reason we don't have a concealed requirement is because some forward thinking individuals knew that occasionally feces would occur and we'd end up exposing our firearm while bending down to tie our shoe, or reaching up to get that last box of Tactical Froot Loops off the top shelf at Kroger. In states where concealment is mandatory, accidentally exposing your firearm can actually lead to charges being filed against you. So yeah, I'm really glad we don't have that asinine requirement here.

I've played the game with simunitions... I'm totally going to screw with your OODA loop if we do this. Thanks for being a good sport.

Isn't the point of these meetings, and the organization itself, to educate the members? I understand what you're saying, but if you have misinformation coming from the pulpit... I'd try to screen it a little better. But that's just me. You can't control what the guest speakers say, but you can definitely control who the guest speakers are and whether they get a repeat appearance if they turn out to be tools.

And for what it's worth, I've got handguns with all sorts of passive and active safeties. Glocks, revolvers, DA/SA handguns, SA-Only handguns, a cap and ball pistol that takes five minutes and a head start running downhill to load... I see none of them as being any more superior of a design (in terms of safety) than another. In fact, I always get sort of an involuntary gag reflex with the concept of safeties comes up on a gun forum. At a very simplistic level, we're all talking about the use of instruments designed to cause death. Big Boy Rules really ought to apply at all times when we handle these things.

I don't want to be that guy (the regulars will know what I mean) but... have you ever taken a serious training class where you were put into stressful situations with your gun, or are you just speaking from a perspective of "this is how things have played out in my head when I've imagined them" ? Because, seriously, I used to think along the same lines as you until someone showed me just how much Murphy likes to f### with you when a situation is already bad. It's eye opening.

It's the complete lack of a dingus that makes the revolver infinitely superior.

Oh, sorry... I missed the and logos beneath your screen name, so I neglected handle your ego with the proper amount of care. I've shot with plenty of cops and soldiers before. Can't say that being either automatically made all of them that good either and never saw one that was fast enough to get the drop on someone who already had the drop on them. But whatever.

Really? Tell you what... stand in front of me, let me point a loaded Glock at you and we'll do the trigger pull two ways. On the first pull, I'll just put my finger at the extreme top of the trigger's curvature, above the "dingus" and you have a better than 99.99999% chance of walking away from it. On the second pull, I'll put my finger below the "dingus" and pull. You can tell me how effective the dingus was when you get out of the hospital.

If I throw a punch at you, your natural inclination is going to be to raise your hands to protect your face. If I throw a baseball at your head, same thing. It's a natural flinch instinct. The same instinct frequently occurs in shootings, as evidenced by the frequent reports of people who have been fatally shot also having bullet wounds to their hands and forearms. So, yes, this IS what a normal person in a self-defense situation might run into and you're just muddying the water with false information based on personal opinion. The FBI requirements for ballistic gel tests are set the way they are for a reason. That reason is based off of years worth of field data. I wouldn't discount it quite so quickly.

Did you happen to read the last post date/time before replying? 2008.

I always worry about people who don't take time to read the FAQ or sticky entries before asking why they can't post something for sale. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/firearms-classifieds/20223-why-cant-i-post-ads-trading-post.html

I'd say that they both pull the holster in equally tight. I can hide the HK45 with no problems under a regular t-shirt.

Man... that is a ton of leather on that holster. M&P 40 in my MTAC again today.

Let me take my Admin / Moderator hat off for a second so that I don't get any nasty replies accusing me of representing the "fold" poorly... [...Just Regular David Speaking...] I honestly believe that there are very few cases (as in 1%) where open carry is going to be more advantageous than concealed carry, and even then I would argue that the advantages are purely ergonomic rather than tactical. I further believe that a large percentage of people who open carry do so as a form of passive activism. They do it because "it's my God given right" or because "if we don't exercise our rights, what good are they" etc, ad nauseum. First of all, your holster isn't the place to be an activist. Your firearm is a tool for self defense. It's not a ballot box and it's not a picket sign. If you want to be an activist, there are better ways to do it that don't involve your means of self defense being displayed for shock value. Second, you can exercise your 2nd Amendment rights by (a.) voting, (b.) buying a firearm, (c.) obtaining a HCP and (d.) by carrying regularly. You don't have to carry openly, just frickin carry the damn thing. Third, there are significant advantages to be had in blending in with the scenery and you aren't going to do that while open carrying unless you're in the middle of a pack of police officers and you're in uniform yourself. The military spends an obscene amount of time, energy, resources and money on perfecting camouflage for a reason. Hunters do the same. Because blending in makes sense, both from an offensive and defensive perspective. There simply is no reason to walk around showing your hand, so to speak, when you can play those cards close to the vest and have the element of surprise on your side. The 1% of people who cannot carry concealed due to physical limitations or ergonomic concerns (i.e. the guy who can't wear an IWB holster because he has too many Burger King deserts crammed into his belt line) get a free pass on this... and grudgingly even then. I know people who are in wheel chairs who still manage to conceal their sidearms. Plus, I'm a fatty myself but somehow I manage to use an IWB holster and some pretty big-ass guns inside them to boot. I realize this will fly all over the "It's my God Given Right as an American!" contingent and I respect that. But I also think they are well meaning but a little misguided in this instance. Yes, it's your Right... and no one is questioning that. Some of us just question whether or not you're getting the most out of your Right from a practical perspective. [...Admin/ Moderator Hat Back On...]

Senario 3: Bad guy comes up behind you while you're bent over in your car and grabs your gun out of it's holster (since you're open carrying) and then proceeds to really ruin your day. Senario 4: Bad guy comes up behind you while you're bent over in your car and sees that you're open carrying. He decides to just pump a few rounds into you and steal your wallet, car, etc. rather than risk confronting you on equal footing.

Maybe it's because their interpretation of the 10th Amendment isn't the same as what yours is?

In due time.