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I don't carry a 1911 anymore. If I am carrying something like that, it is a 9mm 2011 and definitely concealed.

I say this as a 1911 fan with more than a few of them: There's no good replacement for low round count and slow, heavy rounds except for maybe a slingshot.

Saw this on Battlecock Tactical's social media. https://www.facebook.com/BattleCockTactical/ For the uninitiated, Battlecock is one of the best "plastic surgeons" there is. He consistently cranks out amazing Glocks (and others), all modified by hand.

Yeah, that really bears pointing out. In this case, time AND space means money. If you can't subdivide the space into lanes that allow you to safely pack more people in it (like most shooting ranges) and charge each of them less per hour, then you're left charging one person more per hour. Like you, I have no dog in that hunt but I can understand the math from a business perspective.

Very true. Somewhat related to that, I’ve often wondered why so many people criticize non-Glock handguns for not having a trigger that feels “Glock-like”, and yet so many Glock aficionados (myself included) end up changing their Glock triggers for aftermarket anyway! I’m pretty confident in saying that what most people love about the Glock trigger is the positive tactile reset. That’s the one part that they normally do NOT want an aftermarket trigger to monkey with, except for maybe shortening the length of travel. You’d think that if the Glock trigger was all that it is celebrated as being, we’d all leave it alone.

Done and I’ve issued you a full refund of your Benefactor membership. Don’t pick a fight and then wonder why the other guy doesn’t have a sense of humor about it.

They've always just worked for me. I love the reliability, simplicity and aftermarket support of my Glocks... but the ergonomics of the M&P work better for me than the Glock ever has. I have read some reports, on the Internet of course, of people saying that the accuracy of the first-generation 9mm M&P was trash. Maybe it was? We have a 9mm "M1.0" and it seems to do OK for us, but the bulk of my first-gen M&P shooting is .40SW and those guns do just fine. I realize also that S&W switched the twist-rate of the M2.0 barrels to make them more accurate, and even the Internet seems to be happy with the results. I haven't seen any reports that say that the accuracy is still garbage with the M2.0. At worst, I think that the most disparaging thing that can be said about the M&P is that the trigger doesn't feel like that of a Glock. Um, OK. A lot of guns have triggers that don't feel like a Glock because they aren't a Glock either. I also think that people who ride the reset of a Glock while taking slow deliberate shots at the range only notice the reset because they are taking slow deliberate shots. They're playing trigger-finger pocket-pool. If you run a Glock or an M&P or a Sig P320 or a Walther PDP or any other gun at "real speed" or in a "real scenario" you probably aren't going to notice the reset at all. Just my guess. Like you, I haven't *HAD* to improve m M&Ps. Even my most pimped-out M&P has only had the slide milled and re-finished, so that I can run an optic on it. Everything else about the gun is pretty much stock. You and I are doing something wrong, I guess.

You can buy two of them for the price of a VP9 too!

The Canik gets so little love from the mainstream gun culture, but it is a legitimate shooter's gun. If someone like Springfield slapped their name on it, I think the gun world would rave about it. And I love my Walther PDP. It's sitting on my desk right now.

Bob, I want to start by thanking you for increasing my enjoyment of this M&P. Seriously. You've made owning this one even better than I could have imagined. Being totally frank with you, that is probably the only thing you've increased the enjoyment of around here. This isn't my first M&P nor is it the only one in my house. I think we have about seven of them right now between my wife and myself, and except for this issue of cross-threaded optics mounting screws, none of them have caused me any trouble. We have put actual thousands of rounds through them in a variety of high round-count defensive pistol classes over the past 14-years, in the mud, in the heat, in the rain and bone dry. They've always just worked and always had more than acceptable accuracy. I say this because you've basically disparaged a whole section of your fellow gun owners on TGO and I don't want anyone else to read your bull#### believe for a second that they should feel bad about their own choice of gun any more than other VP9 owners should feel bad because one of them makes dickish statements on a forum. But, back to how you've increased my enjoyment of this particular M&P. The last thing I really needed was another M&P, but since folks were raving about the incremental improvements of this recent evolution, I thought I might as well pick one up and give it a go. I also thought it would be fun to put an optic on it and go hurt some feelings of other gun snobs at the range by bringing a mid-tier pistol with a so-so rep and, without adding thousands of aftermarket parts to it, and outshooting some of them on qualification drills. Can't wait! Anyway, stop disparaging everyone else and enjoy that VP9, Bob. Not every gun has an anus at the end of the slide, but HK certainly knows how to cater to their niche. (This is the anus at the end of the VP9. It's not the anus at the end of the gun that you might have thought I was referring to.)

Don't break a hip reaching for a punchline or your next mediocre Teutonic snob blaster, Bob.

Update 21-FEB-2022 Five weeks after I shipped it and four weeks after Smith & Wesson checked it into their systems, my new Optics-Ready M&P M2.0 Compact arrived back home today. And it appears that all is well. Rejoicing has occurred. A quick glance at the letter provided inside of the carton showed that Smith and Wesson opted to take the best and most efficient path to resolution and simply replaced the slide with one that hadn't been bunged-up. The new slide has optics mounting screws that aren't cross-threaded and that are appropriately easy to install and remove. I tried it a few times to be sure, and feel that S&W probably did the same before shipping it back out. All said, I am satisfied with the quality of the repair and, again, must recognize that they completed the work sooner than they originally estimated. In fact, they completed sooner than they even told me they would when I checked on the gun just six-days ago. When I contacted them last Tuesday, they were estimating that a gunsmith would see it this week which itself would have been 2-3 weeks sooner than originally predicted. They beat that estimate by a week and beat the overall estimate by three weeks. Not bad. But I will stick to my guns and say it's not good either. This whole thing could have been avoided with some simple quality assurance checks before the gun ever left the factory in the first place, and that more than just a couple of weeks for a service of this nature is not as good as it could or should be. While I am glad to have it back and am happy that it didn't require a full two-months to return to me, I still think something like this should only take 1-2 weeks, at most, to resolve. I'll grudgingly give them a pass since we live in these unprecedented times (let's all gag a little at reading that) in which the US Government competes against industry and makes it viable for laborers to sit on their butts at home rather than join the workforce. But, hey... BIG THANKS to the technicians and service people at Smith & Wesson who ARE showing up for work! Were it not for them, this gun would still be sitting in a pile somewhere. Now, I need to put an optic on this thing and see how it runs. I'm starting to feel some of the same excitement that I did when I first opened the box a month ago. With, you know, that whole delay in there.

I serve with a couple of deputies every Sunday. I'll ask them next time.

May have left it on by accident?

We have thread pirates here. sir.

Good conversation for another thread?

I hate to hear about the Shield and the Sig, but I am sadly not surprised. All of these manufacturers seem to be struggling to balance the pursuit of profitability with providing quality products and services. I don't think it will get better anytime soon. At best I think we can just hope that the situation doesn't deteriorate any more than it already has. It's going to take decades for industry -- in general -- to climb out of the hole it is presently in. More than 12 years ago I interacted with Smith & Wesson customer service to get some parts for an early M&P that I owned. That experience was top-notch and lightning fast. Granted, if they got it right in this current interaction, they will have actually returned the gun to me four weeks ahead of their stated schedule. I can't complain too much about that even though I would have preferred that the estimate been four weeks and they returned it in half of that. But I'll take what I got. I just hope that my M&P arrives and that the work that they have done is satisfactory.

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Looking forward to seeing FKMan posting more.

Heck yes.

Yeah, I’ve had two of them to date but HK proved how much they hated me by releasing the optics ready version and discovered the magic of 17rd magazines after I’d bought the second one.

I kind of want one, though. I think @bobsguns has been waging subliminal warfare.

Or a VP9 if they really want to mess with me.

UPDATE for 17-FEB-20022 Yes, only three days have passed since my last update, however... my M&P shipped back today! I received a FedEx tracking number earlier this afternoon and it is currently scheduled to be delivered in the next few days. I have no idea what they've done to it yet, but I guess I will know more once it arrives. Stay tuned!