TGO David

I would encourage you to find someone who is willing to have the slide coating done again with nitride or heat-cured Cerekote no matter what you do. I have seen way too many slides ruined by rusting due to the optic cut merely cold-blued or finished with an air-cure coating of some sort. This isn't something to skimp on. It will affect the longevity of your gun as well as it's resale-value if it's done wrong.

I bet the construction codes are quite a bit different from the sake of earthquake tolerance alone. What other things have you noticed about the way houses are built here? In the last twelve months, three homes in my tiny little neighborhood of less than 30 homes were sold by their original occupants to Californian refugees.

Nice! I bet that $10 Luger has a story that none of us want to know.

The older I get, the more I understand and relate to Red Foreman.

Open-carry used to be the only way that regular civilians could carry a handgun in Kentucky. We had the ability to do that without a permit for as long as I can remember. Long before Kentucky started making the Concealed Deadly Weapon License a thing. Back in my late high-school and early college years, in the late 1980s and early 1990s, I worked at one of the Wal-Mart stores in my hometown. We had an old farmer who would come into the store almost every weekend with a chromed 8-inch revolver of some sort strapped to his leg in a legit cowboy leather holster. Being a kid who grew up in a police and military family and who hunted often, I was enamored by firearms, so this guy's heater never bothered me. But it sure drew some attention from everyone else. The way he was eyeballed throughout the store by our store's management and other customers made an impression on me. It made me adverse to that sort of attention and made me appreciate the concealed aspect of the CDWL once Kentucky started issuing them.

FFS.

I don't think y'all would know what to do if you ever got hold of some of that Glock lipstick.

The length actually helps quite a bit. This video explains why.

No one wants to see that. But a more relevant comparison would be a tricked-out custom M&P. Get out your turd polish!

I should really read more carefully. I would have seen that you solved it.

I'm still searching but I did find this on YouTube. The fix is to take out the optic screw on the ejection port side and file down the length of it slighty.

Apparently folks are having to shorten the optics mounting screws provided by Holosun so that they don't impact the extractor assembly. I saw this mentioned elsewhere recently, and I don't recall where it was. Probably Facebook or Reddit. I'll see if I can find more info.

Let's just agree that a lot of you replying in this thread aren't the customer demographic that will spend the money to customize a Glock. Let's also agree that the people who do that are no different than the people who spend money to customize a 1911.

Got to love utilitarian simplicity.

I don't carry a 1911 anymore. If I am carrying something like that, it is a 9mm 2011 and definitely concealed.

I say this as a 1911 fan with more than a few of them: There's no good replacement for low round count and slow, heavy rounds except for maybe a slingshot.

Saw this on Battlecock Tactical's social media. https://www.facebook.com/BattleCockTactical/ For the uninitiated, Battlecock is one of the best "plastic surgeons" there is. He consistently cranks out amazing Glocks (and others), all modified by hand.

Yeah, that really bears pointing out. In this case, time AND space means money. If you can't subdivide the space into lanes that allow you to safely pack more people in it (like most shooting ranges) and charge each of them less per hour, then you're left charging one person more per hour. Like you, I have no dog in that hunt but I can understand the math from a business perspective.

Very true. Somewhat related to that, I’ve often wondered why so many people criticize non-Glock handguns for not having a trigger that feels “Glock-like”, and yet so many Glock aficionados (myself included) end up changing their Glock triggers for aftermarket anyway! I’m pretty confident in saying that what most people love about the Glock trigger is the positive tactile reset. That’s the one part that they normally do NOT want an aftermarket trigger to monkey with, except for maybe shortening the length of travel. You’d think that if the Glock trigger was all that it is celebrated as being, we’d all leave it alone.

Done and I’ve issued you a full refund of your Benefactor membership. Don’t pick a fight and then wonder why the other guy doesn’t have a sense of humor about it.

They've always just worked for me. I love the reliability, simplicity and aftermarket support of my Glocks... but the ergonomics of the M&P work better for me than the Glock ever has. I have read some reports, on the Internet of course, of people saying that the accuracy of the first-generation 9mm M&P was trash. Maybe it was? We have a 9mm "M1.0" and it seems to do OK for us, but the bulk of my first-gen M&P shooting is .40SW and those guns do just fine. I realize also that S&W switched the twist-rate of the M2.0 barrels to make them more accurate, and even the Internet seems to be happy with the results. I haven't seen any reports that say that the accuracy is still garbage with the M2.0. At worst, I think that the most disparaging thing that can be said about the M&P is that the trigger doesn't feel like that of a Glock. Um, OK. A lot of guns have triggers that don't feel like a Glock because they aren't a Glock either. I also think that people who ride the reset of a Glock while taking slow deliberate shots at the range only notice the reset because they are taking slow deliberate shots. They're playing trigger-finger pocket-pool. If you run a Glock or an M&P or a Sig P320 or a Walther PDP or any other gun at "real speed" or in a "real scenario" you probably aren't going to notice the reset at all. Just my guess. Like you, I haven't *HAD* to improve m M&Ps. Even my most pimped-out M&P has only had the slide milled and re-finished, so that I can run an optic on it. Everything else about the gun is pretty much stock. You and I are doing something wrong, I guess.

You can buy two of them for the price of a VP9 too!

The Canik gets so little love from the mainstream gun culture, but it is a legitimate shooter's gun. If someone like Springfield slapped their name on it, I think the gun world would rave about it. And I love my Walther PDP. It's sitting on my desk right now.

Bob, I want to start by thanking you for increasing my enjoyment of this M&P. Seriously. You've made owning this one even better than I could have imagined. Being totally frank with you, that is probably the only thing you've increased the enjoyment of around here. This isn't my first M&P nor is it the only one in my house. I think we have about seven of them right now between my wife and myself, and except for this issue of cross-threaded optics mounting screws, none of them have caused me any trouble. We have put actual thousands of rounds through them in a variety of high round-count defensive pistol classes over the past 14-years, in the mud, in the heat, in the rain and bone dry. They've always just worked and always had more than acceptable accuracy. I say this because you've basically disparaged a whole section of your fellow gun owners on TGO and I don't want anyone else to read your bull#### believe for a second that they should feel bad about their own choice of gun any more than other VP9 owners should feel bad because one of them makes dickish statements on a forum. But, back to how you've increased my enjoyment of this particular M&P. The last thing I really needed was another M&P, but since folks were raving about the incremental improvements of this recent evolution, I thought I might as well pick one up and give it a go. I also thought it would be fun to put an optic on it and go hurt some feelings of other gun snobs at the range by bringing a mid-tier pistol with a so-so rep and, without adding thousands of aftermarket parts to it, and outshooting some of them on qualification drills. Can't wait! Anyway, stop disparaging everyone else and enjoy that VP9, Bob. Not every gun has an anus at the end of the slide, but HK certainly knows how to cater to their niche. (This is the anus at the end of the VP9. It's not the anus at the end of the gun that you might have thought I was referring to.)

Don't break a hip reaching for a punchline or your next mediocre Teutonic snob blaster, Bob.