TGO David

First it wasn't DaveTN that said it. It was me. Second, a skilled shooter vs. a skilled shooter is a little different story but I still put better odds toward survival on the guy who is moving and shooting vs. the guy who is standing still with his thumb up his butt. Back to the original statement, a skilled shooter who is moving, using cover and shooting is in a much better position than the typical moron criminal who likely has zero gun handling experience and only knows how to point and spray. The whole "Do ya feel lucky" is a little too Holly-East-Wood for me.

Those look nice.

And statements like this are why I say some folks in this thread have never been in this sort of situation, or at least trained for situations like it. Yes, you actually stand pretty decent odds if you start moving, drawing and shooting even if the other guy has his gun out first. 99.9999999999% of situations where an armed assailant attacks a legally armed citizen start out like this, where the bad guy has the drop on you. We don't all walk around carrying our sidearms in our hands just waiting, ya know. A good defensive pistol class can be eye opening. Yes, Virginia, you really can out move and out shoot the other guy -- even if he does have the drop on you -- and survive. It's called practicing how you're going to fight and the idea is to be better at it than they are.

I'd just like to suspend my disbelief. By doing so, I might be able to devote time to actually dissect and digest the encounter as described and maybe learn something more form it. Again, a police report would help me with the whole disbelief part.

Just be very, very cautious if the transport involves firearms and make sure that the sale has already been completed before doing this and avoid anything that even remotely looks like a straw sale or otherwise violates Federal law (i.e. crossing state lines). Don't want to see anyone here getting into trouble with the .gov over this sort of thing.

The forum keeps you logged in via cookies. If your browser is set to not retain cookies, or if your security/privacy settings are too stringent, or you're running antivirus or antispyware software that deletes our cookies, you'll have this problem.

Of course.

Interesting to read some of the responses here. Obviously a lot of people have formed opinions on what they would have (or actually wouldn't have) done in a situation like this based off of God knows what. Magazines? Movies? Introspective belly button gazing? Wherever the knowledge and insight was gained, it wasn't gained in the real world where situations such as this are extraordinarily dynamic and do not follow any sort of script or outline. My own "game plan" -- if you want to call it that -- comes from having been shot before. Twice. Neither time was malicious, both were accidental and both are extremely long stories that I don't really care to go into. One was a freak accident the other was childhood stupidity. Both hurt like hell and one left me in a pretty precarious situation that could have gone either way, survival-wise. Perhaps one of the more defining insights that I gained from these experiences is that I'll damn sure do anything in my power to prevent being shot ever again. Pretty sure I wouldn't have tried to disarm the guy. Pretty sure someone would have ended up shot in this situation. Pretty sure it wouldn't have been me either. Of course that's all assuming this even happened to begin with, which I'm still pretty uncertain of. It's very easy to substantiate, though. Since the dude with the Derringer was arrested, there has to be an arrest report and those are public record. Let's have some more information so that I can join the ranks of those who believe. County or municipality where this happened? Date and location on which it occurred? I can handle the rest. Thanks.

Don't follow me outside after this, but my bulls#*! detector is tingling a little bit.

My wife doesn't like her chili as hot as I like mine, so I add a small dose of Dave's Insanity Sauce to my bowl to liven it up a bit. Still, the chili she makes is hotter than my kids prefer. They'll toughen up or go hungry.

Gotcha. And I agree.

My wife and I make it with ground beef but it's a very thick chili as well. And very hot.

I honestly have never heard of anyone running a magwell on a bobtail 1911. Seems highly counter productive to the purpose of the bobbed mainspring housing and frame.

Yes, and no... it's not even noticeable that it's there. We're only talking about 1/4 inch of material, if that.

Rutherford County has extension officers that work in schools when they are technically off-duty from their day jobs, I believe.

Strel, that's enough of the personal attacks. Besides which, you should maybe go back and try to comprehend what the OP was saying before you jump to conclusions.

All of this being proof that debt collections people are scum of the earth.

I really see no point in this thread going much further. Facts: 1. Jack's ban was temporary and has been lifted by me several days ago. Whether he chooses to come back or not is up to him. He's welcome to do so. 2. My door is always open to anyone who has a concern about the way things are done. Neither I or any of the moderators are perfect so I'm open to constructive criticisms as long as they are constructive.

Hmmm. I like this.

Ok, send me a PM and tell me who you think is out of line and give me some instances to back it up. My door is and always has been open for this sort of thing.

No, it's not uncommon anywhere, anytime, when someone pushes the limit of what is acceptable and is removed from the ice and thrown into the penalty box for a period of time. No one likes getting their hand slapped. Fortunately most folks are mature enough to learn from their mistakes, accept that they alone are responsible for the actions leading to whatever disciplinary action there was, and takes it in stride. Some folks refuse to do that and either throw a hissy fit or try to convince everyone else that they were wronged. It's not the first time that's happened here.

He's not banned. He's enjoying a self-imposed exile because this place sucks.

Not cool at all. Completely irresponsible and gives all of us a really, really bad name. That said... the target has HUGE cajones.

Some other references for you... IOR-Valdada 3x25 CQB tactical scope - M4Carbine.net Forums TacticalGunFan.com - TGF Puts IOR's Innovative 1x/4x32mm To Work

It looks like my wife and I should easily be able to make it to this one. See you guys then.