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I wouldn't toss any mags... I'd simply buy new springs.

I'd mount the rack for sure. Maybe put it on the hood of your vehicle as a warning to the next overgrown field mouse that thought twice about jumping in front of you.

The sights are the one thing on that gun that I don't like. If it were me I'd just look for a current production (circa 2012) M&P 9mm and not worry with the rest of it. You can add some tru-glo TFO sights to if later if you want a similar sight picture.

[quote name='nightrunner' timestamp='1352645264' post='843700'] Im pretty sure the admin would let you mail a money order if you really wanted benefactor status [/quote] No. My schedule just is too busy for that anymore. People would mail checks, or say they were, and I'd waste time going back and forth to the PO for a week for nothing. Then they'd actually mail the damn things after I'd stopped bothering to look and complain because 2 weeks later their account wasn't updated. Just not worth it. I realize there are some Paypalphobes out there who choose not to use them or are scared to, and that's fine. Unfortunately that's also the only means of paying right now so... we find ourselves at an impasse. Sorry.

[quote name='BimmerFreak' timestamp='1352644135' post='843684'] A Millet on a Tac50? [/quote] Yeah, I hope that's a temporary optic and they're saving up the scratch for a good scope instead. Otherwise it's like putting ketchup on prime rib.

If I lost my job today and had to move to follow better opportunities, I'd be packing my crap tomorrow.

[quote name='Caster' timestamp='1352290272' post='840889'] Yeah, I said whore and she is. No self respecting LADY would dress like that for public display or put it out on video. Only filthy tramps and whores walk around half naked showing the world what they have. It's sad and pathetic. Likewise, it's equally pathetic that people eat that mess up like a starving dog. People claim to have evolved and progressed to an all time evolutionary high but the truth is, humans are just a bunch of animals no different than a feral pack of curs. [/quote] Caster, you have a PM inbound. Unfortunately I now feel that I need to state that you are no longer a Moderator here. I just cannot have moderators running around making blanket accusations about people based on their appearances. Chances are we've got members here who have daughters that might dress similarly to what you saw in that video, and you've blatantly stated that those girls are "whores" because they dress in a way that you do not agree with. As a father of a daughter who doesn't always wear ankle-length skirts, that rubs [u]me[/u] the wrong way too. When you make a post like that, people don't see it as coming from just one guy... they see it as coming from a guy who represents TGO as a staff member. That's not cool and it's not the sort of behavior that I think is consistent with being a good Moderator. Sorry to call you out like this publicly, but what you did was rather public itself and it requires a public response.

[quote name='Caster' timestamp='1352290836' post='840893'] Who's upset? It's just a fact. Women who run around half dressed so as to show everything they have are whores and the mongrels who lust after them are no better. It's pretty simple actually. [/quote] Wow... I was going to leave it alone but that's pretty bad. You realize that Christ associated with whores, thieves and traitors, right? You might want to consider that the next time you start stacking up rocks to throw. If He saw them as people whom the Father loved, then you might want to dial back the judgement a little. Unless you're better than He was.

Caster, based on your reporting this thread for review, I was expecting to find some stripper wearing a thong, all oiled up and shooting with her naughty bits showing. What I found was significantly less lascivious than that. While I wouldn't want my daughter to dress like that, it's unfortunately the norm these days and no less provocative than anything you will see at the local shopping mall and ... wait for it ... no worse than I've seen some girls dress at the local Baptist church some Sundays. Sad commentary on the church, perhaps. At any rate... I think you're being highly puritanical and that [u]is[/u] someone's daughter you're calling a whore. Maybe switch to decaf.

It's funny... I see a lot of moderating going on here, but no Moderators are doing it. Maybe let the Moderators do it?

If you're Obama, you win no matter what happens in the polls. He'll be working the rubber chicken circuit, making bank, protected by the Secret Service on our dime, for the rest of his life. Honestly if I were him, I'd want to lose the election just so I could get started with that.

We [b]REALLY[/b] do not need another one of these threads. While the OP may be "[i]a few years away from being able to legally acquire a carry permit[/i]" he is most certainly not prohibited from doing a search of this site to find the dozens of other threads about this very topic. Thread closed.

Enjoying a sip of Willet Pot Still Reserve tonight. http://www.kentuckybourbonwhiskey.com/willett_pot_still_reserve.php I heartily recommend it.

[quote name='personDJ' timestamp='1351999551' post='838691'] I can't believe how many think discpline is hitting or spanking. My god I can teach a dog how to behave without hitting and children are much smarter. If your child tears pages from a book then that child is not ready for a book, just take it away until you can teach the child how to handle a book. When a child acts up find out why and change that. Don't change the child by hitting. When it gets to the point that you must hit a child to make them act as you want then maybe it is the spanker that needs some learning [/quote] I'm curious why you carry a firearm if you feel that corporal punishment as manifested in a "spanking" is morally wrong.

[quote name='BPM' timestamp='1351979855' post='838489'] Well, I handled several different guns. One that I liked the feel of was the M&P Shield but I was wanting something more in a full size pistol. Ended up getting a brand new Gen4 Glock 19 with 3 15rnd mags and everything for $529. [/quote] Good deal. Now get to a range and run about 200 rds through it and see if you have any issues with failure to eject. If you do, order one of these: [url="https://apextactical.com/store/product-info.php?pid67.html"] Apex Failure Resistant Extractor Gen4[/url]

[quote name='bentonbjones' timestamp='1351998415' post='838672'] Here's my question. What's the protocol for entering negative feedback? I kinda got jerked around on a transaction and feel like I should do something about it. Guidance? [/quote] If you got jerked around, you need to post negative feedback.

I'm going to muck this up a bit for you and suggest you wait for the Glock 20 Gen4.

[quote name='Il Duce' timestamp='1351944422' post='838248'] Not to mention they have accuracy issues that are well documented and that AWFUL AWFUL factory trigger. Sent from my SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2 [/quote] The M&P 9 was the least accurate of the bunch until S&W revised the barrel locking surfaces and corrected that problem. The M&P 45 was historically the most accurate of the bunch and rivaled cheap to mid-range 1911 platforms on that basis alone. Now that the M&P 9's locking surfaces are improved, the 9 is just as accurate if not more so than the rest of the family -- and likely any factory Glock you will pair it up against. This is well documented, as you put it. Further, we're talking about accuracy of 2-5" groups at 25yds back in the day instead of 1-3" groups now. It was absolutely still "minute of man" accurate and plenty much so to do the intended job. I've owned both, I love both, but you will find my M&P 9 with me more often than the Glock 19 now. The ergonomics are, for me, superior and like DaveTN I do prefer to support an American company whenever I can. There is a reason why the M&P series is gaining ground on Glock in law enforcement circles and it has nothing to do with seductive marketing or lucrative pricing. Glock has an extremely long history of excelling at both of those things for police departments and agency sales. The M&P is gaining ground because these agencies simply see it as being a better firearm for their needs, made in the USA. Glocks are great guns. You will never see me say that they aren't and you will find numerous instances of me recommending them to people right here on this forum. But the M&P is not some second-rate contender to the throne and to dismiss it as such because at one time a version cambered in a certain caliber was slightly less accurate than something from your favorite brand, or because the trigger doesn't have the same [i]feeling[/i] to it that your favorite brand does, constitutes a pretty shallow argument against it or for the Glock. A better argument would simply be "[i]I don't like the M&P... I like Glocks.[/i]" As I said before, we're talking about two handguns that have each proven themselves to be more than adequate. At this point it's largely a matter of personal preference and neither you or I have any right to tell someone what they should prefer. That's up to the buyer. They should prefer a gun that they like, have confidence in, can shoot well, and will carry regularly.

Prayers sent. Hang in there.

I go back to my previous statement about firearms being a subjective item. [i]Should I buy a Glock 19[/i]?[i] [/i]has turned into another thread with suggestions for multiple other firearms.

[quote name='personDJ' timestamp='1351876007' post='837827'] I fell sorry for folks that think they are doing good by employing violence. What do you think you are teaching by hitting another human. Never hit children. Never hit anyone unless it's for self defence. [/quote] There is a strong difference between disciplining your child and "employing violence". And yeah yeah... violence has never solved anything. Except slavery, fascism, Nazism, Communism...

[quote name='Will Carry' timestamp='1351868857' post='837761'] TWO Thumbs up on the Glock 19. Don't listen to the whiners. Get the Glock 19. It is a truly great side arm. It will shoot where you aim it and it will never fail you. "Waaaaa! The grip angle isn't right" "Waaaaaa! The trigger is weird!" "Waaaa! The sights are funny" "Waaaa! It's plastic!" "Waahaaahaaaa! It's not made in America!" [/quote] Persuasive.

[quote name='ANDERSON MEDIC' timestamp='1351866303' post='837739'] Top choice for a Glock is a G19 4th gen. [/quote] My top pick for a G19 would be the 3rd gen simply because the 4th gen [i]has[/i] suffered some freshman year problems with the extractor and the funky dual-recoil spring assembly. If I had a G4 I'd shoot the hell out of it before deciding to carry it.

I have a Gen 3 and it's one of my favorites. However my M&P 9 has eclipsed it in terms of firearms that I prefer to use, carry, shoot. Picking a firearm is a subjective exercise, much like choosing what car you want to buy, what church you want to join, etc. My recommendation is to try a few. If you [u]like[/u] the Glock 19, enjoy shooting it, are accurate with it and will carry it, then you should buy it. Perhaps the most important thing being whether you will carry it. If you won't carry it, then there's no sense owning it. Behind that is the matter of whether you are accurate with it, but that's a problem that can be corrected if you're not.