TGO David

  I intentionally left the thread open for discourse.  It's not an edict or an official policy, it's a proposal that I would like folks to join into.

Welcome to TGO.  It's kind of sad to see how far Massachusetts has deviated from when it was an integral part of our nation's cradle, isn't it?

I also have a Lifetime membership and would be glad to provide my ID # to anyone who is interested in signing up or upgrading.

Folks;   I would like to propose a moratorium on pejorative "creative" misspellings.  Specifically, pejorative misspellings of proper names like turning Diane Feinstein into Diane Fineswine or Swinestein, and turning Liberal into Libtard or Libturd and so forth.   Sure, those little things feel good when you do them.  They are a guilty indulgence that expresses your contempt for these people or things, however I also believe that they make the author look childish and cause the mainstream fence-sitters to automatically write us off as frustrated juveniles with an inability to articulate our thoughts and opinions without resorting to schoolyard taunts and mockery.  When we do this, we discredit ourselves.   It's no secret that the Left has made a career history of establishing itself in the eyes of the public as the "Mental Elite".  They have carefully ensconced themselves in the towers of academia and use this vantage point to lord over and brow beat us -- their adversaries -- and paint us as knuckle-dragging neanderthals with room-temperature IQs.  It is my opinion that we play into their hands when we resort of using pejorative misspellings of their names and they casually dismiss it as being about as base level as a fart joke.    We need to rise above that.  We need to conduct ourselves smartly and remind society that just because we value the Constitution, we are not a bunch of mouth breathing pinheads.   Further, it makes it impossible for a person to search TGO's contents and accurately find articles of interest by using key words when those key words may have been intentionally misspelled by the author who thought it was funny or cute.   So, there it is.  I would appreciate it if everyone would please join me in this.  I have been as guilty of these things as the next person, but I am personally committing to rising above the petty name calling and instead will be focusing even more on letting the substance of my words illustrate how despicable the subject of my derision is.   Thanks. :)      

This feature was requested by a member who remembered when we used to have it "back in the day". I have added it again. If you are a member of the NRA and would like to see their logo in your user profile when you post, you can add it by editing your member settings. This is also where you can indicate whether you have a carry permit, are active or former military, or are active or former law enforcement. Enjoy.

SOB carry essentially went out with the 90's as handgun carry became more common and practitioners became more enlightened.  As others have said, it's not a very secure way of carry and can cause traumatic spine injuries if the wearer falls onto it.  If inside the waistband carry isn't an option, you need to consider outside the waistband carry with a cover garment if you're trying to keep it concealed.   If body-weight / obesity is a problem for carrying on your side, you may need to explore other options but I would still cross SOB carry off the list.  I'd also recommend doing whatever you can to drop some pounds for your own health and wellness.  Not a snide remark, just concern for a fellow gun owner.

When we switched from using a CDN to not using a CDN for certain graphics, this may have happened.  Purely a guess.   I'm glad we have gotten back to being able to report inconsequential things now that the server is running fast again.  :)

  And I don't carry it -- but if I did and I had to use it, I'd be fine with tossing it to the ground if told to do so.  It's a tool.  A nice tool, but a tool none the less.

  No, that's a lot of bull from people who have never been in a self-defense shooting.  Remain armed until the police get there and have control of the situation.  Do you want to be unarmed if the person you just defended yourself against has friends, family, accomplices nearby who are unhappy about you doing what you just did?   Nope.  Remain armed.  Disarm when instructed by the police.   Edited to add:  I often see comments from folks saying they're not going to throw their nice Nighthawk 1911 or whatever on the ground when the police get there because it's too nice / pretty / expensive.  When the police are arriving, holster your firearm before they get out of their car.  Hands up and wait for instruction.  If they tell you to unholster and throw it to the ground, throw it to the ground.  If they tell you to lay it on the ground slowly, do it slowly.  If they tell you to tap dance and pat your belly at the same time, do that too.   Bottom line being, your stupid high-end boutique firearm isn't worth you getting shot over.  If it's so concerning that your gun might get scratched, don't carry it.  If you think it  might go off when dropped or tossed to the pavement, don't carry it.  Good guns don't go off when dropped.   Do whatever the nice police officers tell you to do, following their instructions to the letter, and keep your mouth shut until asked to speak.  And even then limit what you say.  You were in fear for your life, that guy over there in a pile is the guy who attacked you, and you'll be GLAD to cooperate with the police after your attorney is present.  You are in no state of mind to say anything else without your attorney present.  Period.   Establish that you're the good guy, point out the bad guy, point out the knife or gun or ball bat or chain or axe or whatever he was about to attack you with, and then shut your hole.

You must lead a very stressed-out existence because I swear your posts indicate that you see a boogey-man under every bed.

  I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you've never dealt with the BATF directly.  Because had you actually done so, you'd know that we've actually got some of the most professional, courteous agents assigned as NFA examiners for Tennessee.   However, you're correct in a way.  If you're caught doing something illegal they can most certainly pound sand.  You're just not going to like what they pound it up.

Just a quick update:  I've been tied up with other things here (obviously) but I'm still planning this.  Will update some folks privately as soon as I see a Saturday that looks like I won't be committed to something else.

I've submitted a feature request to the author of the iTrader feedback system asking for the following:   --- Ability for members to edit feedback that they have left for other members.   --- Ability for moderators to edit any feedback rather than only being able to delete.       Will keep you all posted.

Honestly, if people would spend as much time bombarding their representatives email boxes and phone lines as they do copying and pasting silly stuff on gun forums, we'd be in pretty good shape right now.  :)   And I run a gun forum!  If I'm telling you to spend less or equal time doing something else, that's got to say something!

  You know what?  I'm tired of hearing this claim being made by people like you.  I know you mean well and you're full of piss, vinegar and angst about this and probably believe you really will hole up in your house and make your last stand when "they come for your guns" but even you don't really know if you will carry through with that or lay down that rifle when you and your family are staring down the barrels of ten or twelve other rifles being carried by heavily trained, highly proficient FBI SRT operators.   What you need to keep in mind is the "fight" and the fact that it means different things for different people.   Some of your fellow gun owners have defined the fight to exist within the political space.  They are going to exhaust every single option they can to wage the battle FOR the 2nd Amendment politically.  If they lose this battle, the fight is over for them.  They won't be happy, but they will have hit the limit of their fight and that will be it.   Other of your fellow gun owners may seriously carry through with the "Come and take them!" challenge and trade shots with a superior force.  That is the boundary of the "fight" for them and they will go as far as they have committed to go... which will be a quick and violent end for them.   Both of these people have defined what their fight is and both of them will have waged it according to the parameters they were comfortable with.  It doesn't mean that the guy who chose to fight politically is any less serious about his convictions than you are, it just means that his weapons were the ballot box, phone calls, emails, letters and visits with his representatives rather than a stockpile of ammo and MREs.   If you want to go out in a blaze of glory, that's your business.   Until then, you share a mutual fight with the other guy who you're philosophically looking down your nose at.  You and he both share the political fight.  Let's do what we can to avoid you ever having to trade shots with those people coming for your guns, by fighting the current battle.   If that fails, well... good luck.

Folks... I am urging you... begging you... to do two things with your wallet right now. 1.) Join or renew with the NRA if you haven't already. 2.) Buy Ben Shapiro's book Bullies and read it. It discusses at length how the Left (and Obama particularly) used this network of "street thugs" to get out there and make a lot of noise, sway opinion, and get him elected. http://www.amazon.com/Bullies-Culture-Intimidation-Silences-Americans/dp/1476709998/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358449174&sr=8-1&keywords=shapiro+bullies Know your enemy!

Fuck Mexico.

  You are correct.  Some folks have taken regular milspec or comspec buffer tubes and welded over the 6-position holes, but the way the law reads that's an iffy proposition.  The law states that you cannot use a buffer tube capable of accepting a shoulder stock.  The definition of ability to accept a stock is not up to you so I'd be very careful.

I <3 The Onion

There's already a thread on this.   A recent one also.   No, you do not have permission to have one made.  Our logo is trademarked property, registered even.  

lol... you guys saying this article is just "feel good propaganda" need to consider the White House press office document that I posted in the other thread and how it lines up with this story.  That document had an embargo on it preventing it from being distributed until the President started his speech this morning.  It was not to be distributed until he began his talking points.   Clearly what he said and what the document outlines are shades apart from each other.  The document outlines what he wants; what he said was a watered down version.   Don't assume the Administration won't be trying to push ahead.  The speech today was simple slight of hand.  A diversionary tactic meant to get us to let our guard down.  You saw evidence of it on TGO initially when people were saying, "Oh well - that wasn't so bad.  He didn't say anything that we already didn't know about."   Like I said earlier; if you think the 21 or 23 points are what he had in mind, dream on.  There's more.  That was the tip of the iceberg and his handlers knew better than to let their man show his hand while they're facing strong opposition from our side.  They're hoping we forget and become complacent again once the guns and ammo start showing back up in the stores, and then they'll let loose with a surprise left hook while we're not watching.   Be smarter than that, folks.  Remain vigilant.

  That's exactly the thing.  This list represents the current Administration's effort to throw it all at the wall (Congress) and see what sticks.  This is their wish list.  They know some of it won't go through, and they will use those bits as bargaining pieces to get the more important things passed.   The goal for us should be to put so much pressure on our representatives that none of it sticks.  None of it passes.  So much pressure that in four years, Obama and his cronies will have to pack up their toys and GTF home all sad and dejected.   A lot of folks here love their Gadsden flags.  They love the story of the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae.  They love the challenge to "Come and Take" (Molon Labe).  Well, this is your MOLON LABE moment, people.  Now's when you start cranking up the pressure and let it be known that you don't want the people who work for you in Washington to give a single inch on this stuff.

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/blog/258/entry-91-web-server-woes-jan-16-2013-edition/   Click away and read about why daddy drinks when the server cries.   :drunk:

  This is absolutely what he is proposing and what he wants Congress to pick up and run with.  The news conference today touched briefly on elements of this document but glazed over a lot of other things that gun owners obviously will find inflammatory.  He and his handlers knew that it would not be good press to go out there, surround himself with the children and then lay out precisely what measures he intended to see enacted.   The frustrating thing I'm seeing here in this thread are responses from people acting like this is no big revelation and just more layers of the onion being peeled away.  It absolutely is a big revelation because the Administration just laid out 22 pages worth of precisely what they want to see happen.  This is the blueprint.  This is the answer to all of the questions we've seen posted on TGO and elsewhere lately asking "Will they try to ___________ ?".  There's no more guessing about what they want done.  It's right there in black and white and the next step will be seeing how many parts of it they can sail through Congress.

  I'm not ready to make any comments based on speculation.  We'll cross that bridge when we get there.