TGO David

  Unless you put your hands down his pants, there's seriously no way to know.  The VG2 that I posted has the snap-strap but the original Vanguard didn't.  It had the paracord piece that some folks literally tied around their leg.  For deep concealment, it absolutely rocks your ... rocks... off... or something.   But back to the original statement, did you put your hands down his pants?  Because, I might actually go to one of these rallies if folks are doing that.  ;)

  :dunno:   WWSAD?  When I started living by that guiding principle, I started having a lot more fun.  :lol:

It's funny how that last bit works.  As a society we've placed moms and their thoughts/feelings/opinions of things on tall pillars and allowed them to guide policy (see: Oprah and any number of other daytime TV shows that absolutely sway public opinion on social matters) but it's mostly men that you see giving their lives on battlefields.  There's kind of a disconnect there.

  Don't buy a holster without first getting a good carry BELT.  A lot of complaints people have about their holsters are the result of using a thin flimsy belt that's not up to the task of distributing the weight of the firearm.   I still recommend www.thebeltman.net and have done so for about 10 years now.  Top, top quality at a reasonable price.

We've got several of them here on the forum and they are by and large a VERY professional department.  And the fact that we've got several here on TGO should tell you that we've got quite a few "gun guys" on the department as well.   So what about the lady and kid leaving the scene?  Did you get a license plate number?

This story could have definitely gone a much worse direction.  Hopefully it was eye opening and you'll consider it the next time you've got your hand on that gun safe's door and are thinking about whether you really need to carry.  I came to the conclusion a long time ago that if I knew where I was going to need to be armed to defend myself, I wouldn't go there in the first place.  Since I'm not omniscient or clairvoyant, I carry all the time.   My personal policies are kinda like this: Always carry. Enjoy my beer, wine, bourbon at home. Don't do convenience stores after dark and rarely during daylight.

  I might invite you to this gathering just to witness this.

  I just don't agree with the highlighted statements and think they make a horrible rebuttal for the question because it opens the door for the antis to start screaming about liability and collateral damage.  And for once, they're right.  The reason we carry more than 10 rounds in a defensive weapon is because 10 rounds kept on target doesn't always do the job.    Let's consider several statements so that you can be better at this the next time someone asks you why you need more than 10 rounds in your magazines:   1.)  The purpose of a handgun carried defensively is to stop a threat on your life.  We carry handguns because carrying rifles is not convenient and not legal in some jurisdictions.  Handguns do not have the same efficiency in terms of ballistics as rifles do.  Shorter muzzles and lower muzzle velocities reduce the effectiveness of a handgun-fired bullet significantly.  More on that subject here:  http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/32380-read-this-before-posting-nonsense-about-the-efficiency-of-handgun-calibers/   2.)  Recognizing that the purpose of a defensive handgun is to stop a threat on your life, and recognizing that a handgun-fired projectile is less effective at stopping that threat than the same projectile fired from a rifle, we now see the need to put MORE rounds on target as fast as we can ACCURATELY do so.  But we'll get to that in a minute.  The idea here is that if I can't have tremendous terminal ballistics, I want more of a lesser grade to make up for the deficiency.   3.)  Bad guys, like wolves, tend to travel in packs.  It may take nine rounds to stop the threat presented by one guy jacked up on adrenaline or narcotics or just generally determined to kill you.  Now add his pissed-off accomplices into the mix.  Do you have nine more rounds for each of them also?  The goal here is to have enough ammo in your firearm to ensure that you go home alive.  Most of us carry at least one spare magazine on our person as well.  If you're not doing that, you should consider taking a good defensive pistol class so that you can sort out reality from what you've imagined it might be like being in a fight for your life.  It's eye opening.       Now to address the statements you made about missing, and how more accurate LEO's are than civilians:   "My answer, A LEO will miss a few times in the heat of a shoot out A everyday firearm owner will miss a bit more in the heat of a shoot out."   1.) Each and every bullet you fire or a cop fires has a lawyer attached to it.  Your misses go somewhere and hit something or someone.  If you're missing, you need remedial training.  A lot of it.   2.) Most LEOs don't qualify on their duty sidearm except once a year.  Many of them don't practice on their own the other 364 days a year.  A citizen with a carry permit statistically shoots more rounds in practice per year than the average cop.       Please don't continue using your original answer to your mom as your answer for why you need more than 10 rounds.  It's just a bad argument all the way around.

  Just start humming some Kenny Loggins and it'll take your mind off of those signs.

  I got rid of those people on my Facebook wall a long time ago.

Nice.  Good choices all the way around.

  The only way it will happen sooner is if Biden finds himself in the oval office.  Do you really want that to happen?

I do want to point out that, as I predicted before, the press dutifully finds someone visibly carrying and makes that picture the one they run with.  Take away the gun in that photo and there's nothing worth sensationalizing.  Just a regular guy dressed in regular clothes holding up a sign at an event.   It's not quite as visually impacting as if he'd been standing there with a carbine slung over his shoulder, but we're still not doing a good job of winning the Public Relations war.

He's probably running a RCS Vanguard or similar holster. More info here: http://www.ravenconcealment.com/holsters/vanguard-holster-systems/vanguard-2-holster-full-kit

  Nicole was overjoyed to receive "a Cosby Sweater" for her birthday.   Sweet Odin's raven... :rofl:

  Aren't you glad it wasn't as bad as the other one?

  Negative Ghostrider.  Pattern is full.

  You know what, you're right.  I'll solve this problem the same way I'd solve it if we were gathering in my house to talk about this stuff.

I just don't even have words. And people look at me like I've got a third arm growing out of my forehead when I tell them that I absolutely support the Second Amendment but wouldn't be caught dead doing a "Carry Rally" or other such thing where there's a chance that some some jackass novice will be fingering his handgun and send a round off into the crowd accidentally. I also don't get what the deal is with these people checking their carry firearms at door of gun shows. I've never done that. My carry weapon isn't going into a show to be sold; It's going into a show on my person should I need it to defend myself. Having some doofus at the door run a zip-tie through the action is counter productive to the intended purpose of my firearm. Worse yet the chance that said doofus will negligently discharge my weapon into his own stupid ass or someone/something nearby. No way in hell am I letting them even handle my carry weapon. If they don't want me carrying there, then I don't want to be patronizing their gun show. GAH!!! Stupid frickin people!!!

I see this thread was bumped but am not sure what got posted or removed.  Anyway... just an update:   I ended up removing the Catalyst mag release button from my M&P 9 and stuffed it away in a box of loose parts somewhere.  One of these days I may retrieve it and sand it down some to reduce the height, but as it came from the manufacturer it simply sits too tall which makes it all to easy to inadvertently drop the mag free.  It did this once or twice while in an MTAC holster which of course makes the release unacceptable for carry use.  It'd probably be great for competition.

  So is "Gorilla Mask".  Urban Dictionary isn't where I turn for inspiration when trying to look intelligent.

It's not a CHP.  It's a HCP.

  No, the reason we tend to lose is best described by Ben Shapiro:   "Power derives from institutions.  The right thinks individually; the left thinks institutionally.  And so the left wields more power, and therefore has more opportunity to bully."     They operate as a collective.  Their goals are socialist at the core, and socialism is a collective effort.  Our goals are for greater independence, and as a result we tend not to rally together around a common purpose as they do -- or at least not with the same efficacy as they do.   Your dissent in this thread is a perfect example.  I'm not saying you have to agree with me in the least, but it is definitely a great illustration of independent personal belief trumping what might be for the common good.

  I've seen several posts where folks have taken the enormous slide release off and then shortened it down a bit, dressed it off nicely with a file and stone, re-blued it and called it a day.  I think that and some replacement sights would be my immediate changes.

  Oh. My. God.  You mean you have to throw away some junk mail or delete emails?  That takes you how long exactly?  This thread isn't an invitation to tell us what you think about the NRA.  Leave the unnecessary commentary elsewhere.