TGO David

  Again, if we did it like Kentucky does, it would be a win-win.  Carry openly for free, a la the Constitution.  Carry concealed for a fee, a la TN permit.  The way Kentucky does it makes a lot of sense and scratches both itches, and it takes a lot out of me to say that something Kentucky does makes sense.  There's not much else the Commonwealth does that I particularly agree with.   The bonus would be that Tennessee would be issuing a CCP that could still be recognized for reciprocity by other states.  People who want to travel and still carry would pony up the money to get a CCP.  The people who are comfortable with open carry and don't want to be on a government register for having a permit, would just continue to do so but only inside the state borders.   Unfortunately it makes so much sense, our legislators will never go for it.

  You really need look no further than our neighbor to the immediate north.  I was born and raised in Kentucky.  Lived there for about 24 years.  Kentucky supports Constitutional Carry for openly displayed handguns.  The permit in Kentucky, which generates a nice bit of revenue for the Commonwealth, is for concealment.   Tennessee could easily adopt the same stance here, but likely will not anytime soon.  It would be simple to make open carry legal without a permit for any resident of the State, and require a permit if you desire to conceal it.

  This is all you really need to know about why it will never happen in Tennessee.  There's far too much money being made.

Unbeknownst to many in Tennessee, the color orange is in fact not a property of the University of Tennessee Volunteers and frequently enjoys use as a color for items to which attention is desired to be drawn.   Also, I'm not a Vols fan.  :)

  Some folks may not understand the reference, so please try to include more than a parting shot.  This is a subject worth being a little more verbose about since we're essentially talking about the difference between freedom and incarceration.   For those who have no idea who Randy Weaver is or what it's relevant to this discussion, click here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Weaver

Yeah, found it.  Thanks for the heads up... I'm never not signed-in so I had no idea.  :)

  I'm not seeing it?

Correct. Glock decided to stick with tradition rather than suddenly make a firearm that looks like a river otter clutching a fish in its mouth. ;) What you need to think about for a moment is the advantage this gives to the gentleman who wishes to procure more than one firearm in his life without being nagged by his spouse. If they all look the same, that new gun is "the same one I've had for years honey". Pure genius. Here's a test: Question: Which of these Glocks have I owned for longer than a year? Answer: Why are you up my ass about this? It's the SAME gun you've seen me carry for months. Shouldn't you be ironing something??? :hat: Disclaimer: Not a trained marriage advisor. Proceed at own risk.

I've been around enough mean-spirited Chihuahuas in my life to be reasonably sure that the Spanish used to deploy them in packs of 12 to 24 as weapons, hurled across the top of castle walls via trebuchet.  Like little needle-toothedcluster bombs.

I moved it but left a re-direct in the general chat forum.  That way folks can still find it pretty easily.

I hadn't noticed anything unusual but this may have been caused by the recent database conversion.  The new database format uses UTF8 character encoding, which may not mean anything to the layperson, but does mean that certain characters previously supported are not supported now.

Thanks for sharing.  I meant to post something similar this morning.  I saw the posts on Kiesler's Facebook page as well and then saw the resulting OMG! OMG! OMG! posts over on one of the national forums, but got sidetracked with chores around the HQ.   I'm still hoping Glock releases that single-stack 9mm that everyone is in a frenzy for.

  Fair enough.  :)

  I just have to ask because I've seen at least one other statement in this thread about rails somehow turning a handgun into something that can't be holstered easily or without destroying a holster... but have you ever actually had experience with this or is it entirely supposition? My experience with it shows that these concerns are both completely baseless.  I just doesn't work like that.  Holsters designed to accommodate a firearm with an accessory rail aren't torn up by them, and the rail no more snags on the holster than anything else on the firearm does.   Maybe you guys are forcing holsters not designed for the firearm to work with them, or Murphy's Law just really really has you on speed-dial and hates you.  :lol:

Read this story, folks.  It makes things a little more clear.     The inside story of how an Idaho toddler shot his mom at Wal-Mart http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/31/the-inside-story-of-how-an-idaho-toddler-shot-his-mom-at-wal-mart/

  No one says you have to leave the light on continuously.  Both of the low-light classes I have taken and everything else I've read from respectable instructors has taught to momentarily toggle the light, not walk around with it on.  Leaving it on doesn't just give away your position, it harms your night vision.         There's a lot wrong with that tactic in an offensive situation.   Completely different considerations come into play in a home defense situation.  If you're the guy with the light and you're defending your own house, there are a lot of advantages to having the light.    Fodder for another thread.       Does your gun shoot things on its own?     And don't you want to know whether what you're covering with your muzzle is a friend or foe and know who/what is behind them before you pull the trigger?

I've been looking at a CMT .308 upper/lower combo myself lately.  I know the last group buy took a lot of work on the part of our own MacGyver as well as Jeff Cross @ CMT so I am not going to let lack of a group buy stop me.  If we do a group buy later, I'll just have to make room in the safe for a second.  ;)

I don't care would seem to equate to nice to have.

As the title asks, how important to you is an accessory rail on a handgun?  Vote in the attached poll.   Lately I've looked at a lot of 1911's in gun shops and am frankly amazed at how many stores simply don't have railed 1911's in stock.  It seems like the typical exception to this is for them to have a GSR (Granite) series railed SIG 1911 in the cabinet, but the GSR slide profile is such that the firearm is incompatible with any holster not specifically designed for it.   Glock, Smith and Wesson M&P, Heckler & Kock (USP and newer) and most every other striker fired or modern hammer fired handguns all have rails.  I think the fact that so many 1911s are made without them is because some of the 1911 owner demographic are still just purists and see no need for them, and because so many holsters made for 1911's were made before the rail became common.   Anyway... vote.  :)  

January 2, 2015... TGO Logo Decals are once again available in the store. Will be ordering more once this batch runs out. Also once again available in the store are the "Shall Not Be Infringed" decals. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/store/

  I've witnessed ours run for his life, unsuccessfully on the hardwood floors for lack of traction I might add, on more than one occasion when a cabinet door was shut too loudly or a pot or pan fell onto the floor.  It's like watching a giraffe try to breakdance on a frozen pond.

I can't help but laugh at the Doberman characterizations.  I guess maybe pitbull owners feel the same way, but my experience with the breed has been anything but what Hollywood paints them as.  I'm sure you can train them to be vicious guard dogs by abusing them and keeping them away from any sort of friendly human contact, but the breed has the sinister nickname "Velcro Dogs" because they tend to be very clingy and needy of affection.  The one that presently shares our house with us is most happy when he's laying on the floor and has a drooling toddler crawling all over him, using his ears as reins and his snout as something to smack and slap with five fat little fingers.   He wouldn't know how to bite you if you showed him.

  Chows are some innately flaky animals.  Fatal Attraction, ice-pick under the pillow, kind of dogs.  I've known several people who owned them and to a one each of those dogs was batshit bipolar and you never knew "which dog" was going to be at the end of your arm when you went to pet them.

How many of you remember Randy Rayburn, the local restaurateur that championed hard to keep "guns out of bars" in Tennessee back in 2009 when the State was trying to decide whether or not to allow Handgun Carry Permit holders to go armed where alcohol is served for on-site consumption?  He pretty much was the media darling of the anti movement and penned at least one editorial in the Tennessean.   Well, the Tennessean has a nice article today about the closing of his flagship restaurant, Sunset Grill after 27 years of business.  According to the article, business began to fall into a slump for Randy in 2007 and Sunset Grill just never quite recovered from it.  I guess that explains why he had so much extra time on his hands two-years later to be a pain in the ass to legally armed Tennesseans.   While the closing of his oldest Nashville property likely has nothing to do with his decision to be an anti-gun prick, karma does seem to be getting a running start in 2015...   http://www.tennessean.com/story/life/food/2015/01/01/sunset-grill-closes-year-run-nashville/21148391/    

Nicely done. I'll be sure to let you know when some of the local Raptor owners finally get our crap together and meet up for drinks.