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Getting some range time might just be the mental break that you need, dude.

In my opinion, the trigger on the M2.0 is greatly improved and feels fantastic.

Ha! Great thread and very coincidental to my own questions after shooting out in the worst of it yesterday as well. My Carhartt "Force" jacket did pretty good for the first little bit but it was soaked through by the time it was over with.

I am curious. When is the last time you got out and did some shooting? Did you just go to the range for some target practice, were you shooting in a competition, or was it at a class? It seems like a lot of folks that I've spoken with lately are in a slump and haven't gotten out very recently to shoot. Granted, the weather this weekend hasn't been the best for it either but I got out yesterday anyway in the middle of probably the most torrential rain we've had recently and ran a few guns in it just to see how they (and I) would handle less than ideal conditions. No surprises, I and they did just fine. One thing that became very apparent to me in the middle of the downpour -- and I do mean that I shot out in the downpour, not under shelter -- was that the M&P M2.0 grip texture was a godsend and the Sig P320 grip texture left much to be desired. I am glad that I have a grip module out for stippling with a gentleman in Arizona and can't wait to see how it stacks up when it returns. That's really my only gripe about the P320. How about you? I am sure that some of the competitive shooters here and any local infantry grunts (current or former) have shot in the yuck and muck, but do any of the rest of you do this occasionally to test your gear, your abilities and yourself?

I am skipping this one. Access into and out of Atlanta is a nightmare under the best of conditions but the I-85 bridge collapse has succeeded in making it absolutely miserable per good friends who live there. Dallas next year might actually be a thing for me, though. I'm really just going to need to watch the industry over the next 8 months and see if it manages to crawl out of the current slump somehow. Maybe the HPA will gain some traction between now and then.

@Cartel may be the most NFA guy here!

I prefer a nice trigger on a firearm as much as the next guy, I guess, but I swear to God some folks just obsess over trigger feel. There are so many other aspects of a handgun that ought to be given equal or greater consideration, but here we are once again talking about triggers. I've owned a few and shot plenty of 1911s with what I would call seriously terrible triggers. And trigger "feel" is so relative to the shooter's preference that it seems insane to me how folks fixate on it like it's the one thing we can all agree on and should, therefore, be the measuring stick against which all firearms should be judged.

Meh. I think the use of the MOAB weapon was equal parts testing it out, having some "fun" with a big ass bomb on some assholes who seriously deserved it, and sending a message to anyone who feels that a demonstration of our might and prowess is relevant to them and their interests. An All Points Bulletin of sorts to say, "Hey check this out... we've still got toys we haven't even popped on scumbags yet. Remember us?" As for Afghanistan, other than keeping ISIS, ISIS-K, SPECTRE, Hydra, HIVE, and any other miscreant organizations suppressed, who really thinks we have an end-game there that includes a stable democracy and a McDonald's on every street corner? That's never going to happen. The best we can hope for is that Al Qaeda, ISIS and the Legion of Doom are either wiped out or kept at bay, and the rest of the country somewhat peacefully goes back to the caveman #### they've been doing for eons. Stuff like growing poppies for opium, screwing goats, subjugating their women, and dressing up little boys to look like little girls so they can screw them instead of goats. Come to think of it, we should probably just rescue all of the women, children and goats, and then nuke the whole goddamn place. We haven't used one of those boomsticks lately either and the world kind of needs THAT reminder too.

https://johnpierceesq.com/what-do-i-need-to-do-regarding-my-nfa-trust-when-i-move/ I Am Moving In-State The good news is that if you are moving in-state then there is no legal requirement that you notify the ATF of your new address. However, up until June of 2013, it was requested that NFA owners send a letter to the ATF when moving in-state so that the NFRTR (registry) could be kept up to date. Since June of 2013, the ATF has returned such letters with a note that they are no longer accepting address changes in the form of letters and requesting that those wishing to report a new in-state address submit a Form 5320.20. In summary … you have no legal duty to notify the ATF of an in-state change of address. If you wish to do so, you should use a Form 5320.20.

How important to you would it be to be able to buy shirts, hats, etc. embroidered with the TGO logo any time you wanted? I am looking at an option that would allow me to make that available to you all. There's a bit of a setup cost that I would have to pay, but honestly, it's not enough to really deter me if enough people were interested. Basically, there would be a website with a catalog specific to TGO where you could order quality hats, shirts, and other things embroidered with our logo. They would be responsible for filling the order and shipping the items to you. There wouldn't be any minimum quantities to order and the lead times would be very reasonable. Just trying to gauge interest.

We are often asked at what point the distinction is made between needing to be a Benefactor or becoming a Vendor in order to sell things on TGO. Hopefully, this post clears it up a bit. Benefactor accounts are meant for private individuals who wish to support TGO and in exchange for their support are granted the ability to list items for sale in our Classifieds section. Benefactors can use the Classifieds to list things that they personally own but no longer want, or things that they personally produced as a hobbyist so long as the annual sales volume of the latter doesn't surpass $3,000 within a year either on TGO or elsewhere. More on that in a moment. Sales of personally owned items that you no longer want exceeding $3,000 do not fall under this category. Obviously, a person could pretty easily sell more than $3,000 in personally-owned firearms or other items and we completely understand that. There is a common-sense difference between things that you personally own and things that you possess simply for resale. Without Benefactors, TGO would probably cease to exist. We do not generate near enough revenue from our Vendor advertising to pay all of TGO's operating expenses. Our Benefactors are our lifeblood! Vendor accounts for meant for those who are engaged in the business of providing a service or product(s). Obviously, it includes a business with an Internet sales presence or a brick and mortar office or retail storefront, but it also includes anyone who the State of Tennessee would refer to as a "Minimal Activity Business". Essentially a Minimal Activity Business is anyone who's sales are greater than $3,000 within the calendar year. For our purposes, we clarify the language a bit and state that those sales can occur either on TGO or elsewhere, in-state or out of state. If you produce to sell, sell, or provide goods or services annually to other people and those sales are greater than $3,000 you are a Business and need to be a Vendor on TGO in order to market to our members. As always, if you have questions about your specific use-case and aren't sure which is right, please contact me directly and I will be glad to chat with you. The approach that I outlined above may not be perfect and is not chiseled in stone, so a conversation between you and me can be helpful.

We are often asked at what point the distinction is made between needing to be a Benefactor or becoming a Vendor in order to sell things on TGO. Hopefully, this post clears it up a bit. Benefactor accounts are meant for private individuals who wish to support TGO. Individuals may list things that they personally own but no longer want, or things that they personally produced as a hobbyist so long as the annual sales volume of the latter doesn't surpass $3,000 within a year either on TGO or elsewhere. More on that in a moment. Sales of personally owned items that you no longer want exceeding $3,000 do not fall under this category. Obviously, a person could pretty easily sell more than $3,000 in personally-owned firearms or other items and we completely understand that. There is a common-sense difference between things that you personally own and things that you possess simply for resale. Vendor accounts for meant for those who are engaged in the business of providing a service or product(s). Obviously, it includes a business with an Internet sales presence or a brick and mortar office or retail storefront, but it also includes anyone who the State of Tennessee would refer to as a "Minimal Activity Business". Essentially a Minimal Activity Business is anyone who's sales are greater than $3,000 within the calendar year. For our purposes, we clarify the language a bit and state that those sales can occur either on TGO or elsewhere, in-state or out of state. If you produce to sell, sell, or provide goods or services annually to other people and those sales are greater than $3,000 you are a Business and need to be a Vendor on TGO in order to market to our members. As always, if you have questions about your specific use-case and aren't sure which is right, please contact me directly and I will be glad to chat with you. The approach that I outlined above may not be perfect and is not chiseled in stone, so a conversation between you and me can be helpful.

Somewhere around 30 years of experience owning and shooting a lot of guns has taught me this: Everyone's preference for a firearm type, make and model is entirely subjective. Recommendations are good, but your own personal hands-on experience with recommendations is better. Recommending a firearm is like recommending a church to attend. Most folks think that theirs is the best ever. Most folks fail to realize that it might simply be the best ever for them. There's a reason why so many guns go up for sale on the used market. People get an idea in their head that a firearm will be the most amazing thing that they have ever spent money on, only to buy it, own it, use it, and realize that it really wasn't for them at all. The best advice I or anyone else can give you is to come up with lists of what you want and what you require from a gun (two different things), rank each list in priority, canvas the firearms market for guns that meet your wants and needs, and then go rent, beg or borrow as many of them as you can to do some shooting with. Then spend your money.

Using that logic, if he goes damn near daily he should choose a flintlock.

Eh, it was the thought that counted at least. lol Solid choice! Another solid choice!

I am trying a different email delivery service today. Let's see if it is any better...

@hughd no, but I saw numerous things in the email log about YOUR email address and Yahoo.com is blocking all of our emails so you probably want to ditch them if you want emails from TGO.

I've requested some assistance on this from the author of the Classifieds system. Will let you know what happens.

There are some specific settings for the Classifieds inside each person's notification options. By default some of them aren't set. I changed the default to "set" but you should each check yours here: https://www.tngunowners.com/forums/notifications/options/

I have to point out that your first statement is an opinion also. Like you said, it feels right to you. A very large number of people prefer the consistent trigger feel that striker-fired guns provide, over the heavier first-pull and lighter subsequent-pull weights experienced with DA/SA or straight DA guns provide. This guy might as well have asked who makes the best truck: Dodge, Chevy, Ford, Toyota or Nissan. He's going to get a lot of opinions, and opinions are purely subjective to the people who hold them.

You're not getting email, correct? That is different than this.

There are a ridiculous number of variables involved in getting email from a community such as TGO to every email inbox. We've offloaded that to SparkPost who has a very high success rate, but even they have challenges getting through to some providers who have blocked emails either from an address range, an IP range, origination software, those with certain key-words, etc. This simply isn't something I can really help with. Gmail seems to consistently be a reliable recipient of all TGO emails. I'd use them if it is important.

Eh, no.

The VP9 is fantastic and I have two, but have you ruled out the M&P M2.0 as well? It's a different animal than the Gen 1.

Don't bring facts and logic into this! We're talking about calibers here!