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Shooter has been named, Normal average looking young man, great education and career path, doesn't appear to fit the mold at first glance. Perhaps he had major anger issues and decided to kill those he felt wronged him at the Bank. ........latest is the creep livestreamed the shooting and his Dad was recently posting anti-gun stuff how we are laughed at in other countries and politicians are cowards on guns bla,bla, bla. Either way Biden, CNN etc, I feel safer in an armed America than unarmed Europe so pound sand! When they say X amount of deadly shootings in US it sounds ridiculously high but.... Many of our States = their Countries is size/population. Violent robbery stabbing deaths and injuries are higher in Europe overall I would guess and the murder rates in Europe overall may be similar or even higher. Not saying we don't have a mass shooting problem here because we do but don't lie and say how wonderful it will be if the law abiding were disarmed. Crazies and Murderers will not follow laws, will buy black market guns or will find other ways.

That was my ride as a teenager in S Florida! Yamaha 650 special, same color/year. I sure felt cool tooling around on it. Recently got back into riding after many decades and am enjoying my Honda cmx500 on these twisty country roads around Cookeville and Sparta but sure miss that Yamaha.

Heavy.com has a bit more info on shooters description. He'll fit more neatly into their story line than the last one did. Expect a lot of deep coverage on this one.

Long gun used at a bank conference room. Workplace violence?? Anybody's guess at this stage

An emphasis on the "more pharmaceuticals" is a biggie. Meds have replaced state mental hospitals but people go off the meds without monitoring. Society used to allow police to arrest people for vagrancy, petty crime, public nuscence or indecency etc. These arrests often weeded out people who needed mental care. Now they roam around unchecked.

Don't forget....some people, perhaps this woman check themselves in for bad thoughts, voices etc. If that's the case speed is of the essence to temporarily hold them for evaluation/treatment. Nothing different will happen on mental illness though because it is a slippery slope and the status quo is working for the anti-gun folks. They blame the gun not the mentally ill maniac. Red flag laws might get passed but in a form that will be abusive to sane law abiding gun owners I'm sure. Alot of good sane folks out there on mild anti-depressants, medical weed, got in a justified scuffle or your neighbor doesn't like the campaign sign in your yard and reports you as suspicious... the list is endless.

Yes..on a case to case basis and not the public, aka jilted girlfriends but a Doctor. Doctor finds you are having suicidal/homicidal manic thoughts then i think a some hospital time is in order. We have gone from one extreme to the other on mental health in this country. Need a middle ground.

Watched a brief timeline/history of this shooter on Daily Mirror I believe? The freaking contrast from a happy outgoing art/graphic design grad to cold blooded creep was only a few months they said. The school used her as part of their PR campaign in a vid and you never would have guessed this was in her future. I'm in the minority I guess of wanting to know what is in the manifesto, what meds she was on, how was her work going etc. If she was under mental care for suicidal thoughts etc. Was her pronoun fluidity brand new? Was she on meds to assist that? If a person is under care for certain mental conditions, (contemplating suicide, paranoid schitzophrenia) and a Doctor is concerned then what would be wrong with a home safety enquirary and a flag on new gun purchases? Like when did she buy these guns? On a side note the exteme doomsday for LGBTQ/ minorities, us vs them rhetoric from MSM and Politicians these days would really negatively feed into an already paranoid fragile delusional mind. I lived with a suddenly Paranoid Schitzoprenic family member in the late 70s and wow! The delusions and thoughts about everybody out to get him were shocking. Can't imagine how bad it would be now for someone in that state watching cable news and podcasts nowadays. And how do you tell in 2023 if somebody is just repeating amped up fake news they believe true and is slightly brainwashed by it or... is actually becoming a Dangerous Paranoid Schitzophrenic? Some crazy has become main stream thought and everybody just goes along to get along because to discuss is to get cancelled.

Sad watching the video how potentially easy it would have been to take her out early if there was only an armed teacher/staff or two nearby in the entry or hall. Do private Christian schools not have SROs?

Scary times for School kids but alot of kids in Schools throughout the US. Plenty in higher Education too. Hard to think statistics when it hits close to home like today though.

despite my digust of her communist ways.....in the movie Barbarella JF was pretty hot.

Compare her entertaining troops in Vietnam to another sexy actress of the time Hanoi Jane who posed on enemy anti-aircraft guns. RIP Raquel

I'm starting to guess this has been going on for quite some time. Now the cat's out of the bag with the huge obvious one being spotted by everyone (maybe on purpose?), the Govt. is doing something finally to save face politically. The biggest threat these objects pose is exposing/testing the weakness of the US to stand up to China I suppose.

Figured helium is lighter than air so top holes would vent the gas faster despite pressure issues. No doubt accurate shooting is difficult but seems the wealth and might of the US should be able to capture a near intact payload next time. There is large swaths of barely populated land that it flew over. Holes must make it descend somewhat right? Some gas leaks out? Next time perhaps attempt "over land" numerous large rounds towards the top. Just keep at it. If no luck after it's Swiss cheesed then we know the missile works lol.

One that can bring it down safely but slower to preserve the payload as previously discussed. Multiple rounds apparently don't phase it and the missile is overkill.

I would guess if you could accurately shoot holes towards the top it would vent the helium faster than the middle. I read somewhere we were flying old U2 planes near it. Seems we need to rig one up as a balloon buster if our fighters are inadequate. There has to be a good way to deal with these things next time.

I too thought the residue cloud was weird then thought maybe.... Helium (possibly a tad warmer than ambient) under slight balloon pressure quickly released might cause a cloud effect? It dissipated quickly. What was the trail of shiny debris that followed above the balloon for quite some time after the missile hit? I'm no expert but I do have a collection of well worn tinfoil hats and this botched anti balloon mission was either by design or just par for the course for for our leadership these days. Who knows?

Lord knows they had enough time to figure it out. Multiple planes with few rounds loaded perhaps?

The way they shot it down, (large projectile over the ocean) did not allow for intact recoverable information.......By choice? Surely a small round or two, or three while over unpopulated land much earlier in the game could have brought it down safely in my humble opinion. As usual I smell a rat.

It seems many youth look for reasons that they too can be a member of the oppressed victim of society club. This gives a young person a why bother to try attitude. Teach them to avoid this line of thinking and the people that are destroying their motivation.

Just a guess but high altitude plane like the old U2 with projectile to pierce it. Doubt shooting it would pop it. Small hole. Slow leak, slow descent, follow and be ready.

Not knowing what might be in the balloon it might be wise to capture and analyse off the coast.

It might be a test to see how sleepy Joe reacts?

Those Chinese ballons are a damned nuisance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Ffr1U7KMY

I agree but see NOTHING negative about her being said or questions being asked by meda! Why? is she untouchable? Not sure it's justified till the facts are out but It seems lesser involved individuals are being suspended and perhaps charged....another cop from the initial stop I never heard about till yesterday, EMS and maybe more to come. So why not Chief Davis? Ultimately she made decisions or ignored problems that allowed this kind of blatent abuse of power to go unchecked. There is no way in hell "the five" hadn't done this sort of thing before. The buck stops with her correct?