JAB

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1352407643' post='842001'] Your assertion about "In God We Trust" is wrong. Look at coinage from way before 1957. [/quote] 'In God We Trust' was put on the penny, I believe, during the Lincoln administration, nearly a century after the 'founding' of the nation. It was later - in the 1950s - added to other coinage. That was done partly as cold war propaganda, in an attempt to separate us from those 'godless' Russians. The founders chose a motto with no religious overtones, whatsoever - 'E Pluribus Unum' - one from many. Oh, and many of the Founders [b]were[/b] Deists. Franklin is even quoted as saying that, while studying Deists in an attempt to refute them, he ended up becoming one (although in later life he does appear to have reverted to Christianity.) Sorry if that makes you tired.

[quote name='AK Guy' timestamp='1352394915' post='841849'] JAB, have you been reading Das Kapital? [/quote] Nope. Never read a single page of it. Just looking around and seeing reality. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that socialism is any kind of solution. I'm not saying that being 'rich' is a bad thing or that no one should be 'wealthy', 'middle class' and so on. When the 'wealthy' class are willing to see others succeed - even if it means their yearly bonus might not be quite as huge - then Capitalism is definitely the best system, even with its possible flaws. I'm simply saying that working people should see a little more profit from their own work and the VPs and CEOs can survive just fine without that third vacation home. And, no, I am not a Unionist, either. I do believe the Unions served a purpose, once - partially the very purpose I am talking about - but now they have become just another racket to dupe people out of their money and allow yet another group (the Union big wigs, etc.) to live off of the backs of the working people. Honestly, I just see it as a recurring theme throughout history. One group of people profits by the work, labor or exploitation of another group of people. Sooner or later, the latter gets fed up and revolts against the former. It isn't necessarily a Communist theme, a Marxist theme or so on. If you really think about it, at its most basic, while simplified, that comprises the main reason our Founding Fathers fought the American Revolution and established this country in the first place - they were tired of having their work exploited by a greedy English throne (taxation without representation and so on.) So what if the person/group of people in the 'elite' or 'exploiter' role is a King, Parliament or a Board of Directors? The idea remains the same.

I think some folks are missing an important part of the puzzle. Yes, I believe that a certain percentage of Americans have gotten lazy, have lost their work ethic or simply don't care. However, it is hard to imagine a very large percentage of that sector getting out and voting. Then we have the so-called 'progressives' - pissed off ex-hippies who never, really grew out of it or current hippy-wannabes who haven't the sense to see the fact that way of life failed several decades ago. But still they probably don't make up a large enough of a percentage to re-elect Obama, given how many people see the truth that he has been a poor President. So, what is the answer? Why did so many vote for him? Simple. Greed. But not the greed you are thinking of. See, many lament the fact that so many Americans are angry at the 'rich' or are angry at successful companies. To some, this makes little sense as those very companies are the ones that provide jobs, support the economy and so on. So why all the animosity? Well, mostly because those companies have done so much to kill the American dream. It used to be that if a man went to work for a company and was a good, hard worker then he could make a decent living. Maybe get promoted. Maybe end up in a position to work his way up and become one of the 'wealthy', himself. If a man was loyal to the company then the company would often be loyal to him. I would argue that, for the most part, those days are gone. Instead, now, a company will work a man to death for as little as they can get by with paying him. They will work him until they burn him out then, six months or a year before he'd be able to retire, they'll lay him off or fire him. I've seen it happen. Then the company will hire an illegal immigrant in his place at a much reduced salary. Or, even better, they'll send his job to Mexico or China because they can get cheap labor there and increase their profit margin (and the CEO's bonus) even more. These companies will take millions or even billions in 'bail out' money (given by both GW Bush and Obama) - money that came from taxes contributed by those aforementioned hard working Americans - so that their VPs and CEOs can keep their private jets and get their million dollar bonuses. Meanwhile, the little guy that is working for them has also gotten in a financial bind because of the economy but no one is bailing him out. He will be lucky to get a ham from the company at Christmas, much less a bonus. Pretty soon, it becomes easy to see why many, otherwise hard working Americans - not just the ones on welfare or other government assistance - would be fed up. They see some big wig sit on his arse in an office and make more money in a week than they will make in a life time of work - and then see that big wig get his million dollar bonus from taxpayer funded bail outs. Then that same big wig decides to lay them off because (in order to keep receiving his million dollar bonus) they have to trim expenditures somewhere in the company. The company no longer gives a crap about them, the working people - they just want to use them up then throw them away. So, yeah, it comes back to greed. Corporate greed and the willingness to treat working people like so much chattel. And then they have the audacity to stand around with their, "Let them eat cake," attitudes and wonder, "Why, oh, why do they hate us so much?" And then some politicians come along and promise to help those much maligned workers get a little back - to make the big corporations start doing what is right and help ease the burden on the little guy. Sure, it sounds attractive. Of course, everyone must forget the fact that those same politicians have, themselves, been issuing bailouts and supporting corporate welfare - and some people forget so easily and willingly, especially when they like what they are hearing. Yes, laziness and a weakening of the work ethic are partially to blame. However, the greedy corporations and 'he who dies with the most toys wins' attitude of the rich has also contributed. The greed of those who have attained their own portion of the American dream and who intend to hold onto it by making sure that dream is dead for most everyone else are as much to blame as the laziness of those who won't lift a hand to attain it. Of course, the Republicans continue to act mostly in support of the former while the Democrats appeal to the latter. Meanwhile, the true middle class - good, honest Americans who would be wiling to work hard if they actually saw some return on their work - remain caught in the middle, watching their tax dollars go to supporting the CEO's bonus as well as the ghetto rat's weed/booze/meth habit as they, the middle class, continue to get more and more fed up. So is it any wonder that they like what they hear when some silver-tongued devil starts whispering in their ear that he is on their side? Is it surprising that they want to believe him when he says he will help make sure they get what their hard work and dedication so richly deserve by forcing those weathy corporations and individuals to help ease their burden? Sure, he's lying but, given the circumstances, can you really blame folks for wanting to believe him - and voting for him, just in case, with the belief (right or wrong) that at least he can't screw them any worse than they are already being screwed?

Hmmm, I do really enjoy spicy/Cajun type foods. I usually create my own, home-made brines, injections, marinades and rubs but you'uns have me wondering what it might be like if I injected a turkey with that Creole butter, rubbed it with Tony Chacherees and then put it on the smoker. I don't see how it could be [i]bad[/i]. [quote name='Jasongar8' timestamp='1352340729' post='841562'] We smoke 3-4 turkeys every Thanksgiving. We also use an "oil less fryer" too. No matter how you cook them, the key is to brine overnight before you cook. [/quote] Not to go too far off topic but since I think/hope the OP's question is mostly answered... As I said, I usually just do a turkey breast on the smoker (and, yeah, brining before hand is key.) This year, I don't know if I will do a turkey breast for Thanksgiving or not since I am probably going to smoke a venison hind quarter roast (in a braising liquid.) I am thinking about doing a few turkey legs, though. I normally don't like the legs but recently had one from a food vendor at the Foothills Fall Festival that was great. I think they must have used curing salts in their brine and the resulting smoked turkey legs were more like ham. In fact, had someone just given me some of the meat off the bone I would have thought it was ham. Tasted like ham, had the texture of ham and even looked like ham. To tell the truth, I am not always the biggest fan of ham (except for fried, country ham) and I almost think I might have liked those turkey legs better than ham. I'm wanting to try my hand at that, now.

[quote name='Dolomite_supafly' timestamp='1352148577' post='839502'] For me the ease of casting 30 caliber bullets, over 223, is why I chose it. Another reason is you cannot push a cast .224" bullet fast enough to operate an AR without leading issues. The casting thing goes along with my 9mm, 38/357, 44 and 45 caliber bullets I cast. If I run low on 30 caliber bullets I just melt down some other calibers. This cannot be done with 224 with intent of shooting out of an AR. Right now the ONLY bullets I buy are for my 223. Every other caliber I shoot I cast for. So for me the only limiting factor is primers and I have enough to last me a while. For me to shoot the 300 I do not need to buy bullets. This eliminates one more thing I need. Dolomite [/quote] That makes perfect sense, as well. Even if you didn't cast, though, I imagine the ability to stock up on 'whatever .30 caliber bullets are on sale while they are on sale' would be an advantage. In my case, I don't cast (not yet, anyway) although the .38/.357 and .44 families would likely be good candidates for it. I figure I can buy a whole lot of reloading supplies for those, couple of calibers for what getting into something like a 300 Blackout would cost. Still, I certainly see where you are coming from.

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[quote name='RobertNashville' timestamp='1352264022' post='840779'] Yeah...because all the somebody elses got 1/4% of the vote, the Republicans are going to take notice and suddenly become the libertarian party the libertarian party wanted to be. [/quote] More like, because the Republican candidate was so piss poor a choice that people couldn't get excited enough about him to defeat even a piss poor incumbent President like Obama, the Republicans might actually make an effort to find a decent candidate next time instead of running another McCain or Romney. Maybe in four years the Republicans will field a candidate that people can believe in. If so, that could actually turn out to be a better outcome for the country than having Romney running for re-election in 2016. ETA: Dangit, I've got to stop this. The election is over and I'm tired of hearing about it yet I can't seem to stop talking about it, myself. Can't we all just go back to being friends, united for at least four more years by the knowledge that, regardless of the relative merit (or lack thereof) of any of the non-winning candidates and regardless of whether or not some of them may have been just as poor a choice as Barry O, Obama still sucks? Can we all agree on that?

[quote name='TrickyNicky' timestamp='1352247563' post='840439'] Seems the best way to make the best out of a sad situation. How's heart? Had plenty of venison steaks but never any organs. Any way to describe/compare it to anything else? [/quote] The heart was pretty good. I sliced it fairly thin, going from side to side and discarded everything but the good, solid, red meat. I sliced it by laying it on its side on the cutting board then making the slices with the knife parallel to the cutting board. This is the first time I have tried venison heart (have eaten chicken heart, before - just cooked them whole) so I didn't dredge it in flour, etc. - just pan seared/fried the slices in a little butter and cooking oil so I could really get the true flavor. I'd describe the flavor as being a lot like beef round steak with just a barely detectable hint of the kind of 'mineral' flavor that beef liver often has and maybe just a slight, barely perceptable 'gaminess'. All in all, it was pretty good and I would definitely eat it, again. I do think that slicing it thin is key, though, as the heart is a pretty tough muscle but sliced thin it wasn't hard to chew, at all. By the time I sliced it up and got rid of the parts I didn't want to eat, there wasn't a whole lot of meat left from the heart. The heart meat would be really good in a stir fry or something, I think, or maybe seared with some Mexican seasoning, onions and green peppers then chopped and used to make a soft taco, etc I haven't tried the liver, yet. I also sliced it fairly thin and have it in the freezer. In general, liver - whether chicken, beef or whatever - isn't something I could just eat all the time. I have to be in the mood for it so I am waiting until I am 'in the mood' for liver before I try it. When slicing it up, etc. it smelled a lot like beef liver. We'll just have to see about that. I wish I had thought to take the tongue, too. I love beef tongue (when cooked properly), would have liked to try my hand at cooking tongue and would have liked to have tried venison tongue. Unfortunately, I didn't think of it until Sunday afternoon so I missed the opportunity.

[quote name='Murgatroy' timestamp='1352247884' post='840444'] I had to look at your location. I grew up in Tellico Plains, a little farther back in the hills from you (I have spent a fair bit of time in Loudon/Madisonville/Philadelphia area) and this was a common thing this time of year. I remember as a young hot blooded lad, spending some quality time in the backseat of a truck with a hot blooded young lady when all of a sudden there was a knock on the window. As we scrambled to get clothing back in place I rolled the window down to an officer of the law. Now we were both of age, but we were parked in a rather public place in Madisonville. The cop looks at me, doesn't miss a beat and says "Hey, hate to bother you, but I couldn't help but notice you had a truck, and someone just hit a deer out here on 411..." We ate good for a while on that. [/quote] Hah! I like Tellico Plains and enjoy camping/trout fishing up along the Tellico River and at Citico and Indian Boundary. Since you are familiar with the area, this one was hit on Hwy 11, close to where it crosses Hwy 72, right in front of the Farmer's CoOp. It ended up lying in a recently harvested field across from the CoOp. IIRC, that field was planted in soybeans so this deer probably ate well. It was certainly a solid, healthy deer.

Last Saturday night I was sitting at a local, weekly auction when I noticed a guy who I went to school with who often attends the auction - and who is now one of the local cops (he was off duty) get up and go outside while talking on his cell phone. He came back in and spoke to the auctioneer who announced that someone had just hit a deer out on the highway and did anyone want it. My hand went up. Well, Bobby (the off duty cop) told me that the deer was still alive and that the officers who called would wait until I got there to shoot it. Not wanting it to suffer, I hurried out there. True to their word, they put it out of its misery when I arrived and helped me load it into the back of my truck. I took it home and my brother in law and I - by the light of a drop cord light - cleaned and processed it. The meat was all in good shape. When the deer was hit, it had mostly shattered one of its forelegs and broke one of its antlers off (the remaining antler was a spike with just enough of a prong to make that antler a 'two point' so I guess it is possible that it was a four point buck before the accident. Not a huge deer but very solid. I'm guessing probably about sixty to seventy five pounds of meat - including the heart and liver that I kept. I am not skilled/equipped enough to do 'steaks' and so on but I can do the basic 'primal cuts'. I now have two racks of venison ribs (I purposefully left a good bit of meat on them), two hind quarter roasts, two front shoulder roasts, two boneless (front) shanks, the majority of the liver, already sliced (I fed some of the liver to my dog, raw, and she loved it) and a decent chunk of backstrap in the freezer. I also have some 'odds and ends' pieces that I plan to grind into 'burger'. I sliced and fried the heart in butter and had that along with some pan fried backstrap (dredged in seasoned flour and cornmeal) with biscuits and gravy for breakfast Sunday morning. I plan to put one of the hindquarter roasts into a disposable roasting pan with a braising liquid and cook it on my smoker for Thanksgiving. Man, I love venison. I don't like seeing anything (even a possum) get hit by a car and I hate seeing anything suffer. I am happy to have the meat in the freezer, though. Waste not, want not, right?

[quote name='xRUSTYx' timestamp='1352242082' post='840373'] Thanks for the replies guys! Any particular outdoor models that you can recommend? Or was the one originally posted good enough for use? [/quote] That model looks fine, to me. Outdoor propane fryers are actually pretty simple things - more or less a gas-fire 'hot plate' that you set a big pot of oil on. The pot that came with my setup (a Zebco fryer) is pretty large but not as big/deep as a turkey fryer as it is intended more as a fish fryer but I am sure I could put a bigger pot on it with enough oil and it would fry a turkey, as well. For that matter, fill the pot with water instead of oil and you could do a crab boil just as easily. The most important thing, I think, is to try and get a look at the unit outside of the box in order to make sure it is solid, sturdy and wouldn't be easy to turn over. The last thing you want is to dump a turkey and a couple gallons of hot oil out on yourself or someone else because of an unsteady support frame. Other than that, as long as it provides a ring of fire to heat the oil (and a way of adjusting the flame - usually a simple turn knob) then it should work as well as any. Just pay attention to the thermometer to make sure that the oil maintains the correct temperature range and you should be good to go.

[quote name='MacGyver' timestamp='1352242177' post='840374'] I actually prefer the Turkey(s) I smoke on the grill, too. Getting the fryer out is really just a conduit to do some onion rings until it's time to cook the turkey [/quote] Mmmmmm...onion rings. The best smoked turkey [breast - I usually don't fool with smoking a whole bird, although I have once or twice] I have done to date was brined overnight, beforehand, in a solution using white cranberry juice as the base. One of my aunts and uncles, on my dad's side, used to have a place they rented on a lake in Alabama (they live in Fort Payne.) Back in the day, it was nothing for them to take the pontoon boat out for a day and catch the limit of crappie. Back then the limit was 50 apiece so they always had plenty of crappie in the freezer. When dad's family would have dinners (Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc.) my uncle Gerome would bring his outdoor fryer and contribute freshly battered and fried crappie to the meal. I'm not the world's biggest fan of eating fish but I love crappie. In fact, I usually liked that better than the turkey and ham. The venison pot roast (which was also a part of the meal more often than not) was usually my favorite, though. Anyhow, Gerome's setup is what inspired me to get an outdoor, propane fryer. It is also part of the reason I recommend such a setup for the OP. See, dad was one of twelve siblings and there were always spouses, my cousins and so on at the dinners. In addition to the other factors I previously mentioned, it was fun to stand outside with him while he used the outdoor fryer as kind of an escape from all the family 'togetherness' inside the house.

And here are the second and third parts: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLNLYL24qUA&feature=relmfu[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9mq29BaLLk&feature=relmfu[/media]

[quote name='Garufa' timestamp='1352241619' post='840366'] Definitely the outdoor propane model. When go to put the turkey in that hot oil, ease it in, slowly. That cannot be stressed enough. [/quote] Alton Brown did an episode of Good Eats on deep frying a turkey and lowering it into the oil. He actually used a ladder as a sort of 'scaffold' for setting up a simple pulley system that he used to lower the turkey safely into the oil from a safe distance away. Okay, I found the episode on YouTube. He starts setting up the ladder, etc. at the beginning of the third linked part. The system won't let me post all three in one post so here is the first part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E270Qx5OpxU

I have to honestly say that I don't see what the big deal is about a deep fried turkey. I've had them and they weren't all that, as far as I am concerned. Certainly not worth the hassle, to me. I'll take a turkey (or turkey breast) brined and then slow smoked on my smoker over a deep fried one any day of the week and twice on Sunday. For that matter, if only for the difference in hassle, etc. I'd just cook it in the oven before I'd fool with deep frying it. However, that isn't what you asked so I will try to help with your actual question as well as I can... Were it me, I'd go outdoor fryer all the way. I have a good sized, propane fueled fryer that I use when I want to fry a large batch of fish and chips, etc. If nothing else, frying in such volume indoors can leave a 'fast food restaurant' kind of smell in your house - and although that might sound pleasant for a short time, trust me - it gets old quick (and can take days to go away.) Also, heating up that much oil inside your home has a potential for being messy and possibly even dangerous. Personally, the thought of having a grease fire burn a small part of my front lawn sounds a lot better, to me, than having a grease fire indoors. Cleaning up a big pot of oil outdoors always seems a lot easier to me, too. Finally, were I going to deep fry a turkey I think that just about the only thing that would make the whole ordeal remotely worthwhile would be the ability to sit outside with a beer while I watched it cook. I'd go with an outdoor unit.

[quote name='TrickyNicky' timestamp='1352236699' post='840293']Also doesn't help his case when he when refuses to consent to a search for weapons when in his own words his sidearm is out in the open for the world to see. [/quote] Why should he consent to a search if he is/was doing nothing wrong? Just because someone with a badge said so?

I really don't understand why everyone is insisting that a vote for anyone other than Rombama or Obomney is a 'protest vote'. Do people not understand voting one's convictions, anymore? Is it really that hard to grasp that some people might vote for the person that they think would actually be the best candidate rather than simply voting for one or the other side of the same, old, plug nickel or else voting only in 'protest'? If so then none of this really matters because the spirit and ideology this country is supposed to be built upon is already lost.

[quote name='DaddyO' timestamp='1352162414' post='839673'] Why do some LEOs have such an issue with a citizen knowing and exercising his rights? Is it little man syndrome, or is it just that they believe that a citizen should just do whatever they say without questioning it, whether it violates someone's constitutional rights or not? [/quote] Yeah, it kind of reminds me of a line from an old Clash song, "You have the right to free speech - as long as your not dumb enough to actually try it."

There are some advantages to living in 'Podunk'. I have voted early for the past, few years (couple of Presidential elections plus Gubernatorial and so on.) Living in a small town and not too far from the early voting station, it was easy to do so at my convenience. Since moving last year, though, early voting would not be very convenient, for me, since I now live on the very edge of my new county. Therefore, I decided to wait and vote today. My new polling station is the rather tiny annex of a small, country Baptist church. I am working the evening shift today so stopping by before coming to work meant I was in there at just before 11am this morning. When I walked in, counting myself, there were eleven people in the room. That included the polling station workers. They only had two 'booths' but by the time I got signed in and everything there was still only one person waiting ahead of me. All in all, even though I lived in a small town, before it was still quicker and less hassle to vote on election day where I am voting now than it was to early vote where I lived, before.

Looks good. I only have one Mosin-Nagant and will likely be leaving it more or less alone. I say 'more or less' because a look inside the receiver reveals that it is an ex-sniper so if I ever have the extra cash laying around to have the bolt bent and the mounting holes re-tapped then I might put it back into historical sniper trim. That said, I don't have any real opposition to the idea of sporterizing a Mosin. To me, getting upset because someone "Bubba'd" a Mosin Nagant because they have 'messed up' an historic firearm is like being offended that someone did a chop top conversion on a 1973 Ford Pinto because they have 'messed up' an historic automobile. Honestly, it isn't a big deal. I don't know that I would fool with sporterizing one because I already have one or two 'factory' hunting rifles in the same power class. Still, if I came across a great deal on a 'beater' Mosin, it would be hard to pass up doing a "Bubba'd" Mosin just for the fun of the project.

[quote name='vontar' timestamp='1351946191' post='838264'] (btw, you are not allowed to shoot an albino in TN) [/quote] Which makes absolutely no sense to me. It is my understanding that albino animals generally do not survive long in the wild - especially animals that would fall into the 'prey' category. I also do not see why anyone would think that albinism in an animal would be a genetic mutation that would be worth trying to preserve into a following generation. In the interests of maintaining viable, strong populations instead of a prohibition on shooting an albino animal, it would make more sense to me that there would be a year round, no restrictions 'open season' on them.

From the article: [quote]...an accident that resulted in the officer’s brief suspension...[/quote] Brief suspension?! What?! It should be, "...resulted in the officer being fired and being disqualified from ever working in law enforcement, again..." The idiot was supposed to be demonstrating gun and taser [u][b]safety[/b][/u], for freak's sake.

[quote name='monkeylizard' timestamp='1351735923' post='836957'] So....I'm hoping Aaron and Nora were smart enough to keep their "dueling" pistols. [/quote] I thought I saw Aaron pass his off to Miles when the group reunited but I can't be sure. [quote name='Clod Stomper' timestamp='1351735011' post='836950'] Expect for that Snookie chick. Man, she is the HOTNESS. Am I right?..... Anybody?........ [/quote] Yes, extremely hot in a slutty, trashy, I'd-like-to-do-nasty-things-to-her-but-wouldn't-want-to-date-her sort of way. Then, again, I never watched the show, just saw her on other things so there is the possibility that she'd be too annoying even for that.

[quote name='Hi Point Hooligan' timestamp='1351990280' post='838570'] Well I have this crazy idea that you should have a weapon that will chamber what ever your local military/guard uses.. Makes it easy if you should have to break into the local armory and liberate some ammo... [/quote] Heh, I have this crazy idea that the guys who are in the local military/guard (or cops) would probably want those supplies for their own use, would likely be guarding their stores (or would have already carried them off) and would almost certainly object to me breaking in and liberating some of their ammo stock. As those guys are probably better trained and equipped than me, I don't think I want to try that - and if someone has managed to eliminate those guys, I don't think I'd want to antagonize them, either. In other words, I really don't think what the military/guard/cops use matters all that much. Further, sort of along the same lines as what DaveTN was saying, if I find myself 'liberating' ammo from someone who no longer needs it then chances are that the same individual will be considerate enough to provide a weapon that will fire the ammo they are carrying. One stop shopping, in other words - and no need for me to worry about having this or that caliber, beforehand. I also have a similar attitude to what Dolomite is saying. I live rural. I have no intentions of 'going mobile' (except, as DaveTN said, in a natural disaster) - I think I'd rather die defending my home than live wandering around in the 'wilderness' (with a thousand other guys who had the same plan), sleeping in the mud, eating rats and so on. My plan, then, would be to avoid all those people who have all that .223 (or whatever other) ammo - not 'hunt' them. With that attitude, I can see the value of what Dolomite is saying - one could stock up on just about any .30 bullets whenever they found a good price. In my case, though, I really don't see a need for such a thing. Also, I really don't have any 'black rifles' (the closest thing I have is an SKS) nor do I really have any desire for them. I have several firearms and various amounts of ammo for them. However, if things really got sparse, I truly think that I would be able to cover my centerfire firearms needs with my .38/.357 and .44 Mag guns - especially since I now have a .44 Mag lever action. I figure that - along with the ammo I have for my other firearms (including rimfire for smaller game) - as long as I make sure I keep plenty of ammo/reloading supplies for those two caliber families on hand then it really doesn't matter to me what guns/ammo anyone else is using. To me, true preparedness and self sufficiency would include having the ammo I need, not relying on other people to die and leave me their ammo.

I like the look of that Bronco. I just hope they would make the rear section of the roof removable. Actually, there are. Maybe not on the NEW market but Jeep has made pickup trucks in the past and I am sure some are available on the used market. I don't know that it would be all that much of a stretch for Jeep to bring the pickups back. IMO, the old ones looked pretty good - the classic 'Jeep' styling lending itself well to make a rugged-looking pickup. I've never owned one but always thought I wouldn't mind having one (or one of the old Wagoneers) back before they were all so old as to be likely worn out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Honcho#Jeep_Honcho