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[quote name='TMF' timestamp='1354564922' post='854357'] Yeah, Hitler really ruined that for the rest of us. I have a hard time explaining my swastika tats to my Jewish friends too. [/quote] Not to go too far off topic but, unless I am mistaken, when Hitler/the Nazis adopted the Swastika they screwed up and got it backward - so that the Nazi flag actually had a [i]reversed[/i] Swastika. Kind of fitting in that the Swastika meant 'life' and, I believe, was sometimes used as a mystical symbol of protection so that a 'reversed' one would technically mean death, destruction and, I guess, evil.

I view the various iterations of the Confederate flag not as equivalent to a swastika but, rather, as equivalent to the Don't Tread on Me flag and the original Stars and Stripes. The men who fought in the Revolutionary war owned slaves but that doesn't mean the war was 'about slavery'. It just means that King George III wasn't sneaky or deceptive enough to make slavery an issue in the war - unlike one Abraham Lincoln (even though Lincoln, himself, had already said that he didn't care about freeing the slaves.) Honestly, I think both wars were fought for very similar reasons - a group of people felt they could no longer abide the treatment they were receiving at the hands of the authorities of their government and so they endeavored to win their freedom from said oppressive government and create a government that was more in keeping with their ideals. The biggest difference, to my mind, is that the Colonials won and the Confederates did not. For that reason, and because I, too, have ancestors who died fighting for the cause represented by those flags, I will respect them and display them whenever and however I please. If someone else doesn't like it, thinks it is equivalent to a swastika or whatever then they are cordially invited to kiss my butt. I couldn't care less what other people think of me.

[quote name='Murgatroy' timestamp='1354502929' post='854039'] "Let the man go." Carl is a man, I didn't see that till just now. [/quote] Yeah, I also think that was a very intentional statement by Tyreese. The woman with him was making demands and speaking to Carl as if he were a little boy. I think Tyreese was saying, "The person who just voluntarily came down into those tunnels alone, fought his way through a couple of walkers by himself, made across-the-room headshots to save our butts then lead us to safety and without flinching offered to take care of our friend so she wouldn't turn is not a little boy. No matter his age or stature, that is a man and I respect him as such."

Mine was up for the first renewal last August. A couple of months before that, I dropped in to the DMV and renewed it. I went to the one in Rockwood (one of the stations that is still on the list for doing carry permit related stuff.) You can imagine that office wasn't very crowded. I went in, was handed a form, filled it out, turned it in, paid my money, got my picture taken and walked out with the renewal receipt already in hand just in case the new card didn't arrive in time. The people who worked there were very nice and courteous. All told, it took [i]maybe[/i] fifteen minutes and I left with the peace of mind (because of the receipt in hand) that I was good to go for another four years.

Interesting info. Thanks for the responses, guys. These primers are for loading .38 Special and .38 Special +P loads. To this point, I have only used CCI primers and have been pleased but haven't been able to find any non-magnum small pistol CCI primers, lately. I thought about going to the gun show last weekend and getting some primers from Mr. David but I really only had enough 'loose capitol' for one case and driving all the way up to Chilhowee and then paying $10 just to go in and buy one case of primers didn't make a whole lot of sense. [quote name='Jonnin' timestamp='1354043193' post='851462'] not sure but you can use small magnums for 380 and bigger (and possibly smaller if you have precise powder measures); I find the magnums all the time and use them because the regular are harder to find. Just have to have a load for each primer type. I say that because I am assuming the match primers cost a lot more (?) than the magnums. [/quote] Hmmm...that is interesting about being able to use the small magnum primers. If they are okay for .380 then I would assume (yeah, I know what that means) that they would work for .38 Special and +P, as well. Being that I am still a reloading newbie, though, I don't know if I am ready (read: safe) to start working up alternate loads, etc. using magnum primers. Actually, the price on the Federal Match primers wasn't too horrible, especially for Gander. The price for the case was thirty some odd bucks, just over $40 with tax and all. Still, it is good to know that small magnums can sub in. We went up to visit my step-grandad who lives in the Norris area last week and I stopped by the Clinton Walmart (one of only two Walmart locations in this area of which I am aware that sell reloading supplies.) They had a big, ol' stack of CCI magnum small pistol primers and not a single non-magnum small pistol primer.

I managed to pick up a case of small pistol primers from Gouger Mountain the other day. The only non-magnum small pistol primers they had in stock were Federal Match primers. They were pretty much the same price as the 'regular' small pistol primers would have been so with small pistol primers getting a bit scarce, I decided to go ahead and get them. I am assuming that 'Match' is simply intended to indicate that QC, consistency, etc. on these is better than on non 'Match' primers but that they can be used just like any other non-magnum, small pistol primer. Anyone have experience with them? Does that seem to be the case?

[quote name='Murgatroy' timestamp='1353977030' post='851048'] So I was sure that Philip was going to cross the line last night with Maggie and show us that he was in fact the bad guy. But once again, he stopped just shy of being a villain. What he did was uncouth, but it was a demoralizing tactic used to extract information, which just happened to work. [/quote] Nah, it was more than that. After the Governor got the info he wanted, he still rubbed up all over Maggie, kissed her forehead, etc. - all while looking directly at Glenn. Further, by not taking things 'all the way' with Maggie he saved a little something back to use as a leveraging tactic later, if need be. He showed both her and Glenn that he could have her whenever he wanted but left that as a threat hanging over their heads. If, on the other hand, he had 'done the deed' then that would be one less thing that two already desperate people had to lose. His bent is that he wants to dominate all women, one way or another, and either kill or emasculate all the other men around him. He really is a typical, sicko cult leader who thinks all the women in his group 'belong' to him and only keeps men around to do his dirty work. He knew he would never dominate Michonne so he wanted her dead. He knew that the National Guard guys wouldn't bow down to him and be his lapdogs so he murdered them. Rick and the others kill for survival and self-protection. They kill in the heat of the moment. It is a brutal world and folks sometimes have to do brutal things. On the other hand, the Governor pre-meditates pretty much everything. He kills from a cold, calculating disregard for anyone else. He enjoys manipulating, hurting and killing and the power trip he gets from it. in that way, his actions are much more reprehensible than even Shane murdering Otis because at least that was a split second decision made out of the desire to survive. The Governor is a right bastard and no doubt the villian. It is just that this is a good show with writing that is a bit more subtle and not hitting the viewer over the head with how evil he truly is. Cult leaders gain and maintain their positions by being sneaky, manipulative and highly charismatic not by being obviously raving lunatics. Jim Jones didn't get his followers to commit mass suicide by being overtly crazy but that didn't make him any less of an evil sicko. In some ways, it is kind of like the Clint Eastwood movie 'Unforgiven'. There aren't 'white hats' and 'black hats'. Instead, there are grey hats and black hats with some of the grey hats being a pretty dark shade of grey while some of the black hats are faded to almost grey. It isn't about Rick's gang being a group of 'good guys'. Instead, it they are a group of people trying to survive and how, although they generally try to do the right thing, 'morality' can change with circumstance.

[quote name='GKar' timestamp='1353996434' post='85117]...how do you handle co-location of property of different ownership... [/quote] Well, I am no lawyer nor am I any kind of legal expert but it seems to me like that should be a pretty simple issue to solve. To my mind, the 'boundaries' would work just like any other property boundaries. In this case, for instance, the exterior surface of a person's vehicle would constitute the 'boundary line' so that anything inside that boundary is in protected, private space.

Awesome! Glad it worked out well. I tried something different, as well. I was inspired by a smoked turkey leg that I had in Maryville at the Foothills Fall Festival recently. Now, I normally don't like dark meat turkey or chicken but these had apparently been 'cured' and smoked and they were delicious. Tasted more like the best ham I had ever eaten than dark meat turkey. Well, I got ahold of some Morton Tender Quick cure and a recipe from the 'net - 1 cup of Tender Quick, one gallon of water and 1/2 cup of brown sugar. I gave it my own twist by adding a little molasses, some anaheim pepper powder (ground, dried anaheims that I home grew) and a few, other spices. Let 5 turkey legs (they cost me roughly $1 apiece at UGO) brine in the mixture for about 24 hours, poured the brine off and let it sit in the fridge for another couple of hours so any excess could drain off then put them on the smoker for about six hours. Turned out great! I'm having one of them for lunch, today. I also smoked a venison hind quarter (in a braising liquid) and it turned out great, as well. In fact, leftovers from that are getting made into stew for supper.

[quote name='Worriedman' timestamp='1353080595' post='846554'] He said that the fence issue was moot in his opinion as the TCA Code allowed a Citizen to enjoy the same protection with regard to using deadly force for personal protection in their vehicle as in their home.. [/quote] And that is the angle that should be taken. Screw 'parking lot' bills - simply recognize the interior of a person's car as being like the interior of a person's home. Off limits to searches by anyone but police with a proper warrant. Declare any other 'right to search' employee agreements, etc. to be null and void. Recognize that it is none of anyone else's business - including employers - what people keep in the confines of their [b]own[/b], [b]private[/b] property. It really shouldn't make a bit of difference where that private property is located at the time - in a driveway, at Walmart or in an employer's parking lot.

Back when I was in college, my dad, paternal grandmother, one aunt and I all went to Chicago to visit one of my great uncles who lived there. I had planned to take the train to hit a couple of places, like the Hard Rock Cafe and so on. My second cousin was like, "No way. Decide where you want to go and I will drive you. I live here and I won't get on that train." That was nearly twenty years ago so I can only imagine things are worse, now. This same second cousin showed me a scar in the roof of his mouth. Seem he was walking down the street one day and two guys (one with a knife) robbed him. He didn't carry much cash, didn't carry credit cards, etc. and only had $1.98 on him. Well, even though he cooperated, the guy with the knife said, "It's a damn shame I gotta kill you over a lousy two bucks," and moved to stab him. He fought the guy but ended up getting stabbed through the cheek and into the roof of his mouth after which the assailant's partner got the assailant to run away. Otherwise, he probably would have killed my cousin. Honestly, having been to New York City, if I never set foot in that city again it will be too soon - but I'd sign up for a week's vacation in NYC before I'd plan a trip to Chicago on purpose. I guess what I am saying is be careful, watch your back and, if possible, take a cab and not the train.

Well, xRUSTYx, did you try it? If so, how did it work out?

On a completely different topic, Andrea could save the doctor a lot of time and effort by explaining to him exactly what they saw at the CDC when they watched the CAT scan or whatever of a person dying then coming back as a walker. That showed, without a doubt, that (as she told him while waiting for the old man to die), "There is no unconscious mind."

[quote name='jtmaze' timestamp='1353957070' post='850879'] I think the group is better trained than the people of woodberry. Do you remember the scene where Andrea and the young girl(good with a bow) were on the wall and the girl missed twice before Andrea says this is how it's done. Another Michone takes out two guys armed "to the teeth" with a sword. Defending against walkers is one thing, a well planned sneak attack??? Makes you wonder. I am sure two or three guys are decent but the whole group in Woodberry? Have you noticed the governor has not squared off with anyone but Maggie. Intimidation is his thing, but can he walk the walk. Rick is no pu$$y by any means. Darryl either. These guys are battle hardened for there time. It will be fun to watch play out. JTM Sent from my iPhone [/quote] I'll take your point a little further and say that the Governor purposefully limits the number of people who are allowed to have weapons, the number of people who receive training and so on. From the beginning, I have been thinking of the Governor as some kind of crazy cult leader. I think maybe the whole thing with the tea that others noticed earlier may be intended as a parallel to grape Flavor Aid. In fact, when describing him to Rick and the others, Michonne even says that he is like some kind of Jim Jones. Anyhow, I think that the Governor is so bent on total control that he has handicapped his people by only letting a select few 'enforcers' into the group. Pretty much the handful that went with him to murder the National Guard guys. Not a large force and many of them probably not willing to die, if necessary, to protect the group (unlike Rick's group.) A couple of them seem more like bullies and blow-hards than real fighters. They are pretty good at murdering people who aren't expecting an attack, shooting walkers from a fortified location or pushing around unarmed (topless) girls but I don't know if they would be good for much beyond that. Heck, even bloodied, beaten and armed only with a broken chair leg I think Glenn scared them - and when it comes to fighting, Glenn is kind of the 'lightweight' of Rick's group.

As far as how Merle will meet his end, I am beginning to wonder if he is going to go out 'Vader Style'. We all know that he isn't the faithful lapdog that the governor thinks he if only because of his lying to the Governor about killing Michonne, etc. Also, I got the feeling that even Merle thought the Governor was going too far with what he did to Maggie (not that it bothered him about her, per se, but that he is realizing how the Governor plans to treat the other group - Darryl included.) I think Merle will realize that Darryl will never obey the Governor and that the Governor will kill Darryl right along with the others. Merle isn't the most moral/likeable character but I am not sure that he will just stand by and let someone kill his brother. So, yeah, I can see a 'Return of the Jedi' ending for Merle. Heck, he already has only one hand (just like Vader at the end.) Okay, so he probably won't throw the Governor down a shaft in a spacecraft but maybe he will throw him to the walkers - and probably get shot in the process. I can imagine him lying on the ground, dying from an untreatable bullet wound and talking to Darryl: Darryl: Hold on, bro. We'll get you fixed up. Merle: Nah, this is it for me. You wanna help me, when I go put one of those arrows in my head. Don't let me come back as one of them things. Now, dammit, don't get all weepy on me like some teenage girl. Hell, in this world we're all going to end up dead sooner than later. Truth told, sooner is probably better, anyhow. You take care of yourself, little brother. I'd kind of like to see such an ending for him. I mean, Merle is a complete a-hole but he is so good at it and also such a bad ass that I wouldn't mind seeing him get a little 'redemption' in the end.

[quote name='Hershmeister' timestamp='1353933296' post='850737'] Take back what I said about Glenn. Dude! Kinda crappy that the dude in the cabin wakes up with trespassers and a minute later is stabbed dead and fed to zed. Talk about a bad morning! [/quote] Did you notice where Michonne stabbed that dude? To me, it looked like the blade went through his shoulder area, maybe somewhere just underneath the collar bone. Probably hit some major arteries and created quite a bleeder but not a CNS wound nor a heart/lung wound. Not what I would think would be an instant kill. In other words, while they may never address it, I'm thinking the dude was unconscious and destined to bleed to death but possibly still alive when they tossed him out the front door to become Walker Chow. The fact that Rick decided to do that without even double checking to see if he was dead or not really made a statement about how much he has changed, to my mind. In season one, he probably would have drawn his gun on someone who was trying to do such a thing but now he is doing such things, himself.

[quote name='JKGlock17' timestamp='1353375464' post='848534'] Heard that definitely gotta have comfy feet in the ZA [/quote] The slippers actually make sense to me. Kind of like in Zombieland where they talk about 'the little things' and how Tallahassee is looking for a Twinkie. Maybe the same reason Dale held on to that worn-out Winnebago (not like they couldn't have commandeered a nicer, newer setup) and why Carl wears Rick's old duty hat - just little things to make the overall horror of the big things survivable.

I don't dislike the holiday season but I do get tired of having, "It's Christmas and if you don't spend more than you can possibly afford then you are a Grinch and an unAmerican, unpatriotic Scrooge who makes the baby Jesus cry," shoved down my throat. I hate hearing Christmas music in stores before Thanksgiving. Let's face it, with the rare exception of a few, choice selections from some of the older tunes, most Christmas music sucks anyhow - and when 'contemporary' singers like Celine Dion, etc. attack them and try to add their own 'style' to them those songs suck even worse. I certainly don't want to hear it in every store I go into for two months even apart from it 'wearing out' the season. Oh, and yeah, I worked retail for years - first at a grocery store and then at a shop at East Town Mall. I feel for you guys who work retail, now as it truly does make one despise the holiday season.

When I took the carry course, we were told that anything in the black counts. Rings didn't matter. Inside '7' ring, outside '7' ring, in the lower. lefthand corner barely on the silhouette, didn't matter. In the black was all that mattered.

[quote] “There is supposed to be a degree of pain so that you do learn from it,” said Kaplan [/quote] Anything that has the owner/organizer beginning a statement with, "There is supposed to be a degree of pain..." gets a "No, thanks," from me. [quote]“Someone's trying to hurt you. You learn how to be as tactical as a civilian can be."[/quote] As a 'civilian', my idea of being 'tactical' equates to doing my damnedest not to get hurt - and especially not volunteering for it. Whatever they are doing, the article states that it works with a revolver as well as a semiauto. I don't see how true airsoft could me made to work with a revolver.

[quote name='Grout' timestamp='1352802811' post='844721'] The way he searched for Sophia last season,jumping up to go get baby formula,feeding and quiteing the baby it's obvious he was a father at one time. [/quote] Or maybe it is just that no one gave a crap about him when he was a kid and he wants to do what he can to keep other kids from having to go through that. Kind of 'balancing the scale', as it were. That is what I am getting.

[quote name='Rock.45' timestamp='1352753178' post='844411'] My understanding that Winchester's PDX1 Bonded is the Black Talon for the Civilian Market [/quote] Mine, too - or rather that PDX1 is the 'civilian' packaging of the latest of the LEO 'Ranger' line which is, in turn, the latest generation (as in improved) of ammo descended from 'Black Talons'. It is also my understanding that - in it's LEO form (which basically means it comes 50 rounds to a box rather than just 20) it is the ammo the FBI has selected as their issued ammo. I can get PDX1 for just over twenty bucks a box at the local Walmart. In fact, that is what I carry in my 642 (in .38 Special) and my Ruger P95 (in 9mm +P.) Unless one is a collector, I really can't see why anyone would pay that kind of cash for older tech Black Talons when a newer tech, improved version is readily available at a better price. Because Winchester 'voluntarily' pulled Black Talons from the market (before a court had a chance to order them to do so) there is no legal reason that Winchester can't sell essentially the same ammo - or ammo derived from it. The black coating was said to really only be intended to reduce leading. My understanding is that it wasn't teflon or anything like that. However, some folks got the idea that it was teflon and was intended to somehow help the rounds penetrate body armor. Hence the ridiculous idea that they were 'cop killer' rounds. Unless I am mistaken, there was also some concern from surgeons, etc. that the sharp points (talons) could make the bullets dangerous to medical personnel who were attempting to remove them from wounds. I don't always trust Wikipedia but having read through this article I think it is a pretty good one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon

I live in Roane County, near the Roane/Loudon county line. I felt a minor 'shake' first then, maybe ten seconds later, a major shake that built in strength and then slacked off in strength over the course of about fourty five seconds. I have felt other tremors, before, but that is the strongest one I ever remember feeling.

The more I think about it, the more I think it odd that there was so much hatin' on Lori. Yes, the character could sometimes be annoying but the idea that she 'planted seeds' between Rick and Shane makes no sense. The whole drama between those three was Shane's fault, period, and he got what was coming to him. Remember, Shane told Lori that Rick was, without a doubt, dead. Shane was supposedly Rick's best friend and Lori thought she could trust him. Therefore, she had no reason to believe that she was cheating on Rick. As far as she knew, her husband was dead and her world was falling apart. Heck, there was only one adult still present in her world who she knew from before and that was Shane. From her point of view, in some ways, Shane probably represented all she had left of her relationship with Rick and their old life. Shane was also keeping her and Carl safe, protecting them and being there for them. It would not be hard to accept that she would cling to Shane, believing his lies about Rick being dead, and end up in a relationship with him. For his part, Shane left Rick behind just like he left Otis behind. In some ways, both decisions were pragmatic but in other ways both represented Shane sacrificing someone who trusted him (and, in Rick's case, his supposed best friend) at least partly for his own, selfish reasons. Shane only made the half-hearted (half-assed) attempt to block Rick's hospital room door with a rolling gurney in order to assuage his own, guilty conscience. Then he told Lori an outright and bald-faced lie, indicating that he knew for certain that Rick was dead. Had Lori even suspected that Rick might still be alive I do not believe she would have slept with Shane - remember how shocked she was to see Rick still alive and how angry she was at Shane. I also believe that Shane realized that - which is why he lied to Lori. He believed that Rick would be dead, sooner or later, and that even if he weren't he would never find Shane, Lori and Carl again - or if Rick did, by that time he (Shane) would be permanently ensconced in Lori and Carl's lives. Shane was a low-down, sorry, lying, back-stabbing bastich and I am glad he's dead. As for Lori getting angry at Rick at the end of Season Two, I didn't take it that she was angry over Rick killing Shane. If you notice in the scene where he tells Lori, her real look of shock comes when Rick reveals that Shane came back - even though he wasn't bitten - and that Carl had to kill him the second time. Lori still felt that Carl should be sheltered and the fact that he had to shoot walker Shane was probably a bit much for her to handle. Even more, though, Lori had another really good reason to be angry at Rick. He knew that the living are all infected but did not tell her - and the truth of that was, again, born out by the fact that an unbitten Shane came back from the dead. If one were a woman in that world who had just recently had to decide whether or not to continue a new pregnancy, I would think that would be information such a woman would want to know. After all, as Lori herself alluded in a recent episode, allowing the baby to fully form in her womb meant running the risk that the baby would die in utero, turn and then devour her from the inside. It also meant, at best, bringing a baby into a world where everyone, including the baby, would become walkers upon their death. Rick withheld that information from her and, for that, I think she had every reason to be pissed at him.

[quote name='Sour Kraut' timestamp='1352338720' post='841536'] Really? Maybe because I am so used to having a good arch support and all kinds of insoles.. I know when I wear sandals in the summer my feet ache really bad.. And I don`t have much of an arch anyway.. Who wudda thunked it... Maybe I should try those out next summer [/quote] My understanding is that the idea came from a group of 'native' type people who are very good runners. They run barefoot and apparently it not only helps them run faster but they also have healthy feet. I think it has something to do with what Chucktshoes said about allowing feet to work as they were designed, as if you were barefoot (while still having something on your feet to protect them from sharp objects, etc. - well, and still having a way to sell you a pair of expensive shoes.)