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Thanks for confirming what I expected, guys.

Okay, so when watching or reading reviews about various knives that have kydex sheaths - especially neck knives - one frequent complaint about  a knife and sheath that the reviewer otherwise really likes is that the knife rattles in the sheath.  The thing is, at least on the video reviews, it seems like they usually have to shake the sheath pretty hard to get the knife to produce the rattle they are trying to demonstrate.  My reaction is generally, "So, what?"  I mean, if it rattled all the time under normal conditions then that would be one thing.  If it rattled just from walking, sitting, standing up and that sort of thing then, yeah, it would at least be an annoyance.  From what I have seen, however, it would take something more like doing jumping jacks to get any noticeable rattle - and in such a case I think that a person doing jumping jacks would draw a lot more attention than a knife rattling in its sheath a little bit.   Further, I could understand the concern if the person wearing the knife were in a situation where they were trying to launch a stealth attack or quietly begin a tactical entry.  I could understand the concern if the person were going to be wearing the knife while stalking game.  But for an EDC knife that probably won't rattle under normal, walking, sitting, standing I just don't get it.  I mean, even if it did rattle, sometimes, under normal conditions (which seems unlikely) most people (other than the wearer) are unlikely to even notice.  It isn't like the average person is going to stop what they are doing and say, "Hark, methinks I hear the distinctive rattle of a neck knife in a kydex sheath!  Man the ballistas!"   So, while I can understand that it would be very annoying to the wearer if a knife constantly rattled in the sheath under normal, daily conditions - and I wouldn't want to carry such a knife/sheath combination - I just don't get why it is that big a deal if a knife produces some rattle in the sheath when you shake the snot out of it.  Being that many reviewers make such a big deal out of it, however, I wonder if I am missing something.  Maybe you guys can help me gain a better understanding.

  I bought a used compound bow at the Sweetwater Flea Market a few years back.  It had camo tape wrapped around the limbs.  It needed a new string, etc. so I took it to an archery shop that used to be out near Melton Hill Dam (really helpful bunch of folks - was sorry to see them close.)  The first thing the guy (shop owner, I think) did was pull the camo tape off.  He said that I had gotten lucky that there were no cracks in the limbs (which the tape would have hidden and which would have rendered the bow unusable) and that the bow, although an older model, was in pretty good shape.  He then had me draw the bow and said that I had gotten lucky a second time in that the draw length of the bow was a good fit for me.  If it hadn't been then I wouldn't have been able to use the bow as effectively.  He then installed the 'minimum' of things it needed to be a good, usable bow - including a new string with a peep sight to use in conjunction with an inexpensive fiber-optic sight he also installed.  He also cut a few carbon arrows to fit the draw length and fitted them with practice heads.  Finally, I bought a very inexpensive belt quiver.  All told, I paid $50 for the bow at the flea market and about $98 to have the 'minimal needed' equipment installed on it.   While there, he let me shoot a much newer bow that was about half the overall length of mine, was lighter than mine, was about half as difficult to fully draw as mine and actually had a higher poundage than mine.  Man, that thing was nice - and easier to shoot accurately because of being lighter, easier to draw and so on.  Of course, it also cost a little more than twice what I had in mine, all told but - looking at it another way - the price of buying and making an old, used bow 'usable' would have gotten me almost half way to a much nicer bow.  I honestly haven't shot the bow a whole lot since getting it - it is one of those 'one of these days' things for me, I guess.  Also, for my purposes, I think I would have enjoyed a decent recurve bow more, anyhow but I'll be keeping it just in case.

My first thought was that the bobcat and the coyote are both someone's pets, at least in a nominal fashion - most likely the same someone.  The coyote not only didn't act skiddish of the people, it acted more like a dog than a coyote to my thinking.  Likewise, it and the bobcat seemed familiar with each other and it looked like there was a well-established pecking order there.  Notice the bobcat didn't actually attack the coyote, just put it in its place - much like a housecat will do with a dog with which it lives and has an uneasy truce.  Why the heck else would these two animals be hanging out around each other - and in broad daylight, to boot?   This is one of my personal favorite animal vs. animal videos - a bobcat vs. a rattlesnake.    https://youtu.be/FPMnZwKHFd4

That is a cool target. I have a packet of 'battleship' targets where you, basically, play battleship with guns. Fun targets. I have never seen the 'pool' targets, though - and they look like a lot of fun, too. I have to admit, though, that there is something about a lady practicing by target shooting at balls that makes me feel a wee bit uncomfortable :surrender: . Thanks for the tip on the pee pads. I got some for my dog when she was a puppy but she never really used them. She might be the easiest dog to house break I have ever seen. Consequently, I have a whole, big pack of those things in the bottom of my bathroom closet that I ended up not needing. Hmmm...if she really likes pink grips then he could have a set of the otherwise verboten pink grips put on her new gun. Maybe that would be enough to push it over the top and convince her that he only got it because he wanted to give her a special present?

  Those are funny and seem to be all but fearless.  My mom keeps dry dog food on her front porch for her outside dogs and the titmouses (titmice? :pleased: ) will fly right up and steal the dog food, sometimes with the dogs lying just a few feet away and sometimes even with a human standing close by.  When I put out suet cakes in my yard after not having any up for a while they are usually the first ones brave enough to check them out.   For cute, little birds however I am kind of partial to the chickadee and the bluebird.  When I was a kid, we heated with a wood heater.  One night we came in after being gone all day and when dad opened the heater to start a fire there was a bluebird in the heater - it had flown down the stovepipe and was nestled in.  It got out and flew around for a bit before I tossed a dish towel over it and caught it.  Before I took it outside to let it go, I held and petted it for a few seconds and got a good, close up look at it.  It didn't seem to mind and was actually very calm about the whole thing.   It is fun to have some of those nest boxes with a hinged lid so you can peek at the babies when the mom is out looking for food.  I have seen both baby bluebirds and baby chickadees (talk about tiny - chickadee adults are little so imagine how small their eggs and fresh-hatched chicks are) in such nest boxes, among others.   Another favorite 'little bird' is the goldfinch.  Haven't seen many of those around for the last, couple of years.  Was seeing them everywhere for a few years before that.

For the OP, wanna see something funny? Baby killdeer can run within a very short time of hatching, The funny part is that they have little, baby birdie bodies with those long, killdeer legs. .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRIclOhJIXg I like birds, in general. I found a sparrow chick in a busy parking lot, once. Normally it is best just to leave chicks that have fallen from the nest alone or put them in a bush nearby where they will be safe, etc. and the mom will take care of them. In this case, though, the little bird was going to get ran over or something so I took her home with me. She wasn't terribly little - already had her feathers, etc. - but wasn't old enough to fly, yet so I hand fed her until she could eat on her own. Once she was able to fly wellI tried to release her but she was having none of that - I'd toss her in the air to fly away and she would just fly back and land on my shoulder so I kept her around and named her 'Matilda'.. She stayed in a bird cage when I wasn't home but I would let her out when I got home from work. Funny thing, she'd hear me coming and start chirping and carrying on to be let out. She knew her name and was better at coming to me when I called her than some dogs I have had. We'd even play chase. Seriously, I'd open the door on her cage and 'run' and she would fly after me, chase me down (not too hard - I'm not very fast) and land on my shoulder. In the evening, sitting and watching tv, Matilda would get in the palm of my hand, nestle down and go to sleep. I didn't have her very long - I think she might have gotten egg bound when she got old enough to lay (I had a female cockatiel die of the same thing - there isn't a lot that can be done for them and I probably won't have any more female pet birds because of that issue.) Still, that little 'wild' bird was funny, affectionate and a joy to have around. I have also done what I could to help a few injured birds. There is a group in Oak Ridge called the Clinch River Raptor Center. They have the proper authorizations to be able to be in possession of protected species like raptors (hawks, owls, etc.) while they rehabilitate them. Otherwise, for the most part having a wild bird in your possession in TN is illegal, to my understanding even if you are just keeping it long enough for it to recover from an injury (actually, I think having any 'wild' animal as a pet or kept in captivity is pretty much against TN law.) They also help other birds besides raptors. Back when I was in my early twenties I had a hawk fly into the front of my truck and 'crash' into the ditch. I wrapped it up in a work apron and took it home. When my mom called TWRA to find out what to do, the guy on the phone said that they couldn't come out to pick up every injured animal in the state. He further said that it was illegal for us to have the hawk so I should take it and put it back in the ditch where I got it. Instead, I called the Knoxville Zoo and the bird folks there gave me the contact info for the Clinch River Raptor Center. We took it there, they rehabilitated it and let us take it back and release it near where it got hurt. This little guy flew into a window where I work a few years back and injured one of his wings. I couldn't get him to the Clinch River folks immediately as I had a busy few days (found him on Friday and was singing at a wedding that Saturday with the wedding rehearsal on Friday night so I couldn't get with them until the following Sunday) so I kept him going on sugar water until I could. It was funny to watch because, even though he was already an adult bird and some adult wild animals will refuse to eat (some young ones will, too) in similar situations, this bird seemed to 'get' what was going on. I'd stick the opening of the syringe to the end of his beak and he'd run that long, thin tongue up into the syringe and lap up the sugar water. I do have to wonder how many other folks have ever fed a hummingbird with a syringe. I called to check on him a few days after turning him over. The lady said that, because they are so small, there isn't a lot that can be done to help the wing heal. Basically, it had to heal on its own or not. She said that if it healed it would already be into the migration season so they'd get someone who was headed to Florida for one reason or another to take him there and release him to give him a head start so he could get where he needed to be before it got too cold. If the wing didn't heal they'd have to put him down. I didn't call back after that because if he didn't heal I didn't want to know. I would rather assume he got better and was able to fly away. A couple more hummingbirds flew into the windows that summer but they were pretty much killed on impact. The person who was in charge of our campus at the time mentioned to me that she wondered why they were flying into the window. I told her that I knew why - it was because they had a lot of red flowers around at the base of the windows that were attracting them. I told her that red and purple are highly attractive to them and they were flying into the reflections of those flowers in the windows. Next thing I knew, she'd had all the flowers changed out for yellow ones and I haven't seen a dead or injured hummingbird around our building since. Oh, and while looking for the pic of the hummingbird, I came across a pic of me feeding Matilda by hand while she was still a 'baby'. I fed her a thinned out slurry of dog food. I wrapped a tissue around her when I fed her in case she pooped - didn't want bird poop on my hands.

  Nice!  I applied for my permit at a time when there was a sudden surge of people getting theirs but before the Dept. of Safety hired a few more hands to help move things along more quickly.  Because of that they Dept. of Safety was a bit backed up at the time and my permit took most of the 90 days to finally arrive.  Funny, the driver's testing station where I applied for mine (the one in west Knoxville) doesn't even do anything with HCPs anymore, not even renewals.  Luckily, there is one that is closer to where I live now and is much less busy that still does them (I prefer renewing in person rather than by mail.).

This one caught my eye the other day.  On such a small tool - which would, of course, limit leverage - a crescent wrench might be better than a pair of pliers for a lot of jobs.  I also like the shape of this one and the assortment of driver bits.  The knife blade looks more easy to use than a more 'traditional' style multitool.  To cap it all, this one has a flashlight, too (and probably not a junky flashlight like I have seen on some cheapo multitools in the past.)  I don't really have that great a need for one but have a feeling one of these will end up living with me sooner or later.   http://www.amazon.com/Columbia-River-Knife-Tool-9070/dp/B000PL6N2S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433345440&sr=8-1&keywords=crescent+wrench+multitool

  Honestly, since I have not been fishing, etc. as much lately I don't really have as much daily need for a multi-tool as my job isn't the type of job that generally calls for the use of such tools.  I keep a cheapo in my EDC sling pack, though.  However, I also keep a Victorinox SAK TInker in that sling pack, too and find myself reaching for it more often than the multitool when I need a screwdriver, bottle opener, etc.  To me, the tools on a good SAK are just easier to access and use - especially the knife blade(s.).  At the current time, to me, a multitool is mostly just a set of folding pliers but when I need a set of pliers then I need a set of pliers so I like to have a multitool around for the pliers and as backup to the SAK for the other tools.

  Yeah, I think Midsummer Night is right.  I knew it was something to do with Midnight (MIDsummer NIGHT).   There is also a brand of candles called 'Woodwick' that, as the name implies, uses wooden 'wicks'.  They are sort of 'x' shaped in cross section and burn really well.  The cool thing about them is that the wooden wick pops and cracks sort of like a wood fire while the candle burns.  I really like this scent:   http://www.amazon.com/Woodwick-Mini-Redwood-Candle-3-4oz/dp/B001RDNOC0/ref=sr_1_6?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1433341788&sr=1-6&keywords=woodwick+candles+redwood   I have a friend (actually my ex-sister in law) who works at Cracker Barrel in the gift shop part.  They sell Woodwick candles and that is how I first found out about them - she got me one of the Redwood candles as a gift a couple of years ago because she knew I would like that scent.

  This is the one on Amazon that is the most like the one I have.  Mine didn't come with the 'seven scent sampler pack' but it did come with the 'pignon' incense.  I think I bought mine in a shop in Blue Ridge, Georgia iirc.   http://www.amazon.com/Cabin-Incense-Burner-Value-Sampler/dp/B00GZKYQ72/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1433341164&sr=8-11&keywords=log+cabin+incense+burner

  Nothing gay about candles, IMO - scented or otherwise.  Scented candles can still be used for backup emergency lighting if the power fails (I know this from application, not just from theory) - they just smell good, to boot.  Besides, sometimes it is just easier to light a candle than to give the dog a bath.   Heck, I am secure enough in my manhood to admit that I am thinking about trying to create my own, custom candle scents using the materials you can buy in the craft section at Walmart, etc.  I already came up with a couple of custom scented oils (the type that is used in one of those oil warmers to act similarly to a scented candle) by blending some of the scented oils from Walmart.   One of my favorite scents at this time, though, comes from some 'incense' I bought several years ago.  I don't burn it all that frequently so I still have some left.  It is, apparently, made from compressed pine dust or something because, rather than smelling like cat pee the way those 'fake' pine scented candles do (to me), it smells like honest-to-goodness wood burning, like a danged campfire.  To make it even more 'neat', I have a sort of bisqueware log cabin incense burner that I burn it in.  You put the incense inside the cabin and the smoke comes out of a 'chimney' at each end.  I think the whole setup is pretty darned 'manly'.

...because revolvers generally don't care if a less than optimal grip results in limpwristing.  Revolvers don't care - and won't potentially fail to return to battery - if you have to jam them into an assailant's gut and pull the trigger (which, to me, is a more likely scenario than needing 15, 30, 45 rounds or more to resolve a 'serious social situation' as a civilian.)  As long as the ammo is loaded to the correct length, revolvers don't care what the 'nose' profile of the bullet is, how large the HP cavity is or how sharp the boundaries of said cavity are as there is no feed ramp or similar for the ammo to hang up on.  Any piece of machinery has to be maintained but revolvers don't care if you didn't get quite enough lube (or too much) on the slide rails because revolvers have no slide rails.  No one is likely to accidentally forget to click the safety on a revolver off because there probably isn't a safety (I'm thinking of some single action .22 revolvers that do have safeties.)  No one is likely to accidentally hit the mag release button and drop the mag in a revolver while nervous and under pressure despite spending lots of time in a calm, controlled environment training not to do so - because revolvers don't have mags to drop.  Because I am neither police, military nor any, other personnel whose job may require them to move toward an assailant or group of assailants while accompanied by other, armed personnel who are similarly armed and who are on their side.   The very fact that, in threads like this, there are always some folks who point out that revolvers can jam is, to me, a testament to revolver reliability.  The instances of them jamming are sort of the exceptions that prove the rule in that case and are rare enough that people can mention them as specific occasions and/or specific guns.  See, no one has to point out that semi-autos can (and likely will, at some point) jam, even if only due to an ammo issue or a magazine issue or a failure to clean issue or a failure to lube issue or a limpwristing issue or an issue of firing from an odd angle or...well, you get the point...because it happens so frequently with semiautos as to be almost a matter of course.  Sure, clearing a semiauto jam might 'only' require a tap/rack but if your life is being immediately threatened then I doubt the assailant is just going to let you call a time out even for that two or three seconds the tap/rack will take - and certainly not long enough to allow you to change mags, etc. if the tap/rack doesn't do the trick.   As for ammo capacity, well, if I am facing a threat so great and numerous that it is going to require 15, 30 or 45 rounds fired to stop the threat then most likely I am going to be dead before I run out of ammo.  No matter how many rounds I have in my gun or on my belt I am only one person shooting one gun .  If I am facing five or six armed assailants - meaning six people/six guns then all that ammo likely isn't going to make much difference.   Now, do those factors stop me from carrying a high-cap semiatuo sometimes?  Nope.  Do I think semiautos are totally unreliable pieces of junk that are just waiting for the opportunity to get their owners killed?  Nope.  Do I think that the perceived 'advantages' of a semiauto over a revolver are often both overstated and over-rated when it comes to carry by a private citizen who is neither police nor military?  Yep.  Do I think that the advantages a revolver has over a semiatuo are likewise often ignored or under-rated?  Yep.  Do I think that both have relative advantages and disadvantages in comparison to the other?  Sure.  It's just that I believe that - again, when talking about carry by a private citizen for personal protection - the odds favoring one over the other work out to be just about even with personal preference, amount of practice with a particular platform, natural ability with a particular platform and similar, individual factors being more important than which platform is chosen.

I don't like candles that smell like vanilla because the scent makes me constantly hungry and I have enough trouble controlling my appetite as it is.  In fact, the same pretty much goes for any candle that smells like food.  I also don't like really sweet smelling candles.   The candles I like tend to be the ones that are labeled as 'woods' type smells such as 'Autumn Woods' or 'Redwood'. that sort of thing.  I don't really like 'evergreen' type camdle scents as I tend to think that they smell like cat pee.  Yankee Candles makes one that smells like Drakkar Noir - in fact I think they used to call it 'Drakkar' but now they call it something else (Midnight something, maybe?)  I like that one a lot, too.  I would probably like the 'campfire' scent from ManCans.

  See, my thinking runs just the opposite.  For the most part, I see revolvers as objects that are interesting to look at and that can be (with even a few, minor changes) things of beauty which are also useful tools..  Semi-autos, on the other hand, while they are good tools to have and even have some advantages, have about as much 'soul' as a ball peen hammer (generally speaking.)  That said, when talking about a frequently carried revolver if the aesthetic improvements make it more difficult to use/hold on to then, yep, something has to go.

I put a set of Pachmayr grips on mine. As you can see from the pics of the 642 lying on top of my GP100 - first with the vestigial things that the factory passes off as 'grips' and then with the Pachmayr grips, they only increase the length of the grip a little but the width and breadth is a little more. Control, accuracy and felt recoil are greatly improved with the Pachmayr grips but it still carries just as well in the pockets of most of my pants. In fact, in pants with particularly large pockets, even though I use a pocket holster, the gun would sometimes move around and get in a weird position. The slightly larger Pachmayr grips keep it upright and in place. They don't look nearly as good as the OP's wood grips, though.

  I've thought about it and I have to ask, do you know who can pull off a man bun?  Sumo wrestlers.  Of course, those dudes could probably pull off corn rows with Hello Kitty berets if they wanted.  I mean, who else could wear their hair in a bun and a diaper and still look fierce?  Oh, and Samurai.  I can just see it, now:   Random guy:  Dude, your hair is in a bun Samurai:  Yes, it is a traditional hairstyle among Samurai. Random guy:  Well, it looks stupid and makes you look like a sissy. [Samurai draws katana and splits random dude from a**hole to Israel] Samurai:  How does my sissy hairstyle look, now? Random guy:  Dude, it looks totally bada...[thud!] 

  You mean all the annoying whining and pseudo-enlightenment bs without the 'free love' that might somewhat redeem them.

  The difference is that we really are!  See, yet one more thing about which they are absolutely wrong.  :pleased:   Oh, and what would such a board be called, anyhow?  Maybe TGS (Tennessee Granola Owners) or possibly TGS (Tennessee Granola Stoners.)   Of course, with me it isn't about who is 'better' - it is simply about them minding their own business and keeping their nose out of mine.

  If someone thinks it is their 'place' to go out of their way to mind my business and ask me stupid questions that are none of their affair then it is certainly my 'place' to reward their behavior with a lecture.  If she had minded her own business in the first place then I'd bet Caster would never have said a word to her beyond, possibly, "How are you?" or some, similar nicety.

I have to say, Caster, you were downright cordial compared to the way I would likely have responded...   "Why am I carrying a gun?  The real question is, 'Why are you minding my business instead of minding your own business?'  But to answer your question, do you watch the news?  Any news?  Ever?  Or are you too busy petting the imaginary unicorns that you must believe surround you and yours with a rainbow forcefield of goodness and light?  If you don't want to carry a gun and aren't concerned with protecting yourself from those who would do you harm, fine.  I really don't care as your and yours are, frankly, of no consequence to me.  I, however, choose to carry and that is my concern, not yours.  Oh, and don't worry - when those with ill intent do decide to do you harm I will respect your views and refrain from stepping in to help you with the gun that I carry. "   Maybe the biggest reason I don't generally open carry - I don't need other people asking me questions that are really none of their damned business.  Others are, of course, free to open carry if they wish.  Also, I know in this case you weren't and that your gun simply became exposed because of a wardrobe malfunction and I don't necessarily always go for deep concealment.  I just can't understand why some people don't get the concept that some things really are none of their damned business and that they have no, real justification for sticking their noses into other people's business.

  Hey, nothing wrong with a manbag!  Davy Crockett carried one.  Daniel Boone carried one.  Most of the more rugged, outdoorsy individuals of their time carried one.  Actually, from what I can tell they probably carried more than one - a 'possibles bag' with the equipment they needed for their black powder rifles and another bag that contained their personal effects (kit).  Where the idea that a carry bag is not 'manly' came from I have no idea.  For that matter, what is a briefcase but a manbag disguised as 'business gear'?  Heck, after my abdominal (abominable) surgeries last year (I was sent home with an open surgical wound that had to be packed and dressed every day and didn't completely close until more than a month later)  I couldn't wear a belt and had to wear loose-fitting pants so one kind of carry bag or another was the only way I could carry a gun.  I now carry a SOG sling pack so I can tote around all the junk I need for my colostomy bag and have become so used to it that I will probably keep carrying it even after my colostomy is (hopefully) reversed.  I guess it is all about being manly enough to carry one and not care if others think it isn't manly. :pleased:   Now, as for skinny jeans - no, I don't wear those.  I have no desire to wear those and even if I did no one wants to see that.  Of course, if I did I probably wouldn't need to carry a gun because if someone threatened me I could just say, "Check out my skinny jeans," and then they would be so frozen with shock and horror that I could simply walk calmly away.   The small hats get me, too.  I used to love wearing a fedora - especially the rain resistant ones that matched my trenchcoat - but lately the only fedora type hats I can find have, basically, no brim.  Why wear a fedora with essentially no brim?  It isn't going to help keep the rain or the sun off of you.    What the heck is a 'man bun'?  You mean guys are wearing their hair in a bun or something?

I have a few - including some 'throwaways' I bought in a multi-pack at Home Depot.  My favorite, though, is a Gerber like this one:   http://www.amazon.com/Gerber-05500-MP400-Compact-Multi-function/dp/B00004TR4S/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1432907879&sr=8-4&keywords=Gerber+multitool   I prefer this one because of the one-hand deployment of the pliers.  Leatherman multi-tools - as well as others that fold/unfold the way they do (including the ones Gerber makes in that style) are awkward to open and even more awkward to close, to me.  Of course, when I first started carrying a multi-tool (and a Gerber like the one linked above was the first one I ever carried daily) I was doing more fishing than I am now.  Holding a fish in one hand and trying to open a Leatherman style multi-tool with the other so you can use the pliers to extract the hook is a PITA.  Being able to simply pull out the tool and deploy the pliers is much better.  Further, the pliers on these are more of a 'needle nose' style while not being what I would think of as a true 'needle nose'.  That allows them to do things that require a thinner plier profile (like extracting a hook from a fish's mouth) while still being able to pretty well handle 'flat nosed' plier jobs, too.  Of course, it is still a multi-tool so - like all multitools (at least in my experience) probably won't have quite the 'grip' as a good, strong, large set of pliers.   Another feature I like about this, particular multitool is that the other tools - when deployed - lock into position (you release them by sliding the black, plastic tab on the side of their respective handle.)  Trying to use, say, the screwdriver in a multitool while it is constantly trying to fold up on you is annoying to say the least.

  Last year the TN legislature changed the renewal period for HCPs from four years to five years so that (after some juggling and possible pro-rating) the HCP would come up for renewal at the same time as na HCP holder's driver's license.  Then, apparently (I haven't seen the legislation, myself, but OhShoot posted something about it and he is generally right on track about these things) - not remembering what they did last year or why - this year they extended (or were attempting to extend) the renewal period for a driver's license from five to (I think) eight years.  So, after creating a potentially confusing situation where individual renewal periods must be adjusted, juggled and prorated so as to bring HCP renewals in line with driver's license renewals they decided to consider a change that would result in the two still not being in line.  Real smart, legislators!   Does anyone know for sure if the change in driver's license renewal periods actually passed?