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I haven't been stopped while carrying, yet and would just as soon avoid the whole thing. That said, I feel that - unless the HCP holder is behaving suspiciously, etc. - the fact that he or she has gone to the expense and trouble to obtain an HCP rather than carrying illegally should be plenty enough for the officer to feel 'safe'. Heck, I don't feel particularly good about some guy I don't know standing just outside my car with a handgun, taser, baton, handcuffs and pepper spray on his hip - can I ask him to go back to his car and disarm for my safety and comfort before writing me a ticket?

My sister in law also works for CB and this is what she told me, too. She said that the policy came about because of customer complaints. She further said that their newsletter stated that Cracker Barrel will not post, for now, but that OC by private citizens is strictly forbidden. From what she gathered, it sounded as if they really don't want to post but that there is always the chance they will if they keep having problems with complaints about OC. She also said that her understanding is that if someone OC's into Cracker Barrel and is asked to take it back to their vehicle, choosing to cover it with a jacket, etc. and come back in at that point is not supposed to be an option - it will be leave it in the car or eat elsewhere. Personally, I don't think that there is any chance that people in TN would get used to seeing regular folks OC any time soon because if more people did it more complaints would end with more restrictive policies or outright prohibitive posting long before OC starting seeming 'normal'. The idea might work in other parts of the country and might even work here some day but for now there is just too much opposition. The Cracker Barrel policy is a real world example of that.

I really like mine. It is a 1 5/8 inch barreled .22WMR that I picked up used for $160 + tax and TICS. It didn't come with the LR cylinder and I haven't bothered getting one. Partly, I haven't because of the reasons Jonnin discussed - with that little fellah, I want to practice ammo that is the same as or at least similar to the ammo I will carry. Also, it isn't like I'm going to put a hundred thousand rounds downrange through it and WMR ammo isn't really all that expensive (when compared to pretty much anything other than bulk pack .22LR.) Just for playing around, I have found that Winchester Dynapoints work well out of mine (and cost less than 8 bucks a box of 50 at Walmart.) In fact, the Dynapoints have been the most accurate ammo I have tested from it so far. I don't carry them, though, because they are lower velocity than most WMR rounds (apparently, they are intended to mimic the old WRF rounds) and they have washed lead bullets instead of true jacketed bullets like most WMR loads. Speer (Gold Dot) and Hornady (Critical Defense) both recently announced the addition of WMR ammo that is 'optimized' for short, handgun barrels to their respective lineups. These are being marketed as 'defense' worthy rounds but we'll see if they really work any better than the stuff that is already on the market. I carry mine as a weak-side BUG/get off me gun pretty often. I ended up putting the oversized rubber grips (like the ones that come on the Mini Master) on mine. I hesitated to do so because I feared the bigger grips would negatively impact concealment. For the methods of carry I use for it, the bigger grips don't make much difference to concealment but they do increase my ability to shoot it decently, at the ranges I would likely use it, one-handed with my weak hand .

I find paying ten bucks for the 'privilege' of looking at guns that I can buy for less $$$ at my LGS to be annoying and, frankly, a bit insulting. Therefore, as some have suggested, I have all but stopped going to the RK shows in Knoxville. The only reason I will go is if I pretty much know I will find something I want. For instance, I went to the last one at the Expo center to buy a mag for my CZ82. I might have found one a little cheaper online but I'd rather have an item in my hand when I pay for it. Honestly, though, I think my biggest gripe about most gun shows these days would be the (generally speaking) rude, oblivious attendees. It has been my experience that most gun guys are pretty well 'with it' and fairly polite. However, the crowd at these shows will push and shove to get in front of you even when you are obviously looking at something or even talking to the vendor at the table about an item. It's just not worth the hassle of dealing with a bunch of oblivious, rude jerks to look at overpriced merchandise. If I go to a gun show it is to look for 'knock around' guns, not a showpiece and there is something odd in me that prefers old, well used guns to high end, tactical ones. There is one vendor at one of the smaller shows (the one that is usually at the Maryville National Guard armory) who sells such guns at good prices. His stuff often looks well worn and is sold 'as is'. I buy things from him knowing that I might have to replace something in order for them to work right but when I am buying a rifle or shotgun for less than $100 - and can pick it up and look it over, first - I can accept that and deal with it. Thing is, however, so far I have bought two shotguns, one rifle and one revolver from him and the only thing I have had to replace was the inner mag tube assembly on a Winchester 190. I like buying from that vendor - and if he isn't there, those shows suck, too.

I am very sorry to hear this. Just to try and give you some hope, however: I turned 39 last June. Last August I was in the hospital for a week (thankfully not intensive care) with congestive heart failure and cardiomyopathy. I don't have any blockages (arteries and veins are completely clear) but for some reason my heart muscle got weak. Due to receiving high doses of Lasix through my IV, I lost more than 35 pounds of mostly water in that one week. The heart cath indicated that my ejection fraction was a mere 15%. I am also borderline diabetic and take a pill daily because of that. I'm not completely 'better' and am still a potential candidate for an implanted defibrillator but am much improved, now, and have hope that your son can and will recover, as well.

I've actually started adopting this attitude a little more, lately. I used to be more interested in doing the 'right' thing but have come to realize that if everyone else is fighting for what they want or whatever benefits them the most and I am pushing for what is 'right', even if it runs counter to my best interests, then no one is fighting for what I want or whatever benefits me the most, which is pretty silly on my part. A fool with principles is no less a fool. The antis don't consider what is 'right' for gun owners, only what they want. Republicans don't generally consider what is 'right' for the nation, only what they want. Same for Democrats. Trying to exist in such a milieu while staying 'above' such tactics is like agreeing to fight Mike Tyson with one arm tied behind your back, your shoestrings tied together and one ear coated in honey. To use a different but still 'pugilistic' example, sometimes the only way to keep a really short man from hitting you in the balls is to get down on his level. So, yeah, if it comes down to it, I'll take a law that blocks employers from interfering with the ability of law abiding employees to be best equipped for self defense on their way to and from work any way I can get that law - and everyone else be damned. Heck, I'm not even ashamed to admit that.

Maybe there was one shot to the back but it sounds like there were two or three more to the front. Further, the intruder was very much in their home. It isn't like she shot the guy five times in the back as he was going out their front door (and, if he had just broken into their home, dragged her around by the face and attacked her fiance then he was definitely a valid threat regardless of which way he was facing at the time.) All that said, the fiance sounds like something of a douche, himself. Just saying that his fiance has an expensive ring and that the pizza guy has seen the inside of their home and probably knew that there were some valuable things in there wasn't enough. He had to throw in that the engagement ring cost $60,000 - and what kind of jackass routinely pays for delivered pizzas with $100 bills unless they are trying to show off? I mean, doing that once if you haven't had a chance to break a hundred is one thing but it sounds like this guy does it regularly. I'm not saying that they deserved to have their home invaded but when you shove the fact that you have money to spare into everyone's face every chance you get, don't be surprised if one or two unscrupulous folks decide they might want some of that moolah for themselves. I also hate to be the 'doubting Thomas' but something about this whole story smacks a bit of one of those 'true crime' shows. You know, where they discuss real cases. I can just see one of those focusing on how, at first, it seemed like the cute, little beauty queen was defending herself and her fiance from a random home invader but it later turns out that the fiance had actually hired the thug to kill his girlfriend (so he could collect on a hefty life insurance policy), the thug was supposed to give the fiance a good ass-whoopin' before killing the girl to remove police suspicion from the fiance and the fiance forgot about that little, pink .38 (or was counting on the girl not being able to get to it or use it well enough to kill the thug.) Yeah, I probably just watch too many of those real foreniscs and real detective shows when nothing else is on in the wee hours of the morning.

This. With all due respect, Jonnin, if I were born in the inner city, grew up in the ghetto and lived in poverty then I might just join a gang and sell crack to try and survive, too - but that doesn't mean that I don't blame those that do so for doing it. Illegal immigrants are breaking our laws by simply coming here. If they are willing to break that law constantly, every day for the rest of their lives then how much respect could they possibly have for our other laws or our society as a whole? The refusal to learn 'working' English is simply another manifestation of that disrespect. Some folks seem to think that they should come here illegally, stay here illegally, work illegally, get paid illegally (and under the table) and that we should cater to them by printing everything in their language (whatever language that may be - illegals aren't only from south of the border) so that they do not have to learn the predominant language spoken in our society. I enjoy being around people from different cultures and applaud those who do what is necessary to come here legally. Any kind of amnesty program for criminals who are breaking the law by the very fact that they are here, in my opinion (and the opinion of at least some legal immigrants I have known) is a slap in the face to those who have come to this country the right way.

I figured out that if you buy those little packs of french fries that are intended to get crispy in the microwave, remove the fries from the box, wrap them in an aluminum foil packet and cook them on the grill over a hot campfire they will get crispy that way, too (I wanted some Ore Ida Crispers to use for that application but the store was out so I thought maybe the microwave ones would work - and they did.) Another good 'tater packet is to take a sheet of aluminum foil (lightly oil it or spray it with cooking spray if you have oil or cooking spray - if not, no biggie but the food will stick to the foil more) slice potatoes and onions onto it (separate the onion slices into rings if you want - I prefer them that way), salt and pepper to taste then put grated cheese (whatever kind you like - I prefer colby jack or straight cheddar) on them. Fold the foil up into a packet and cook over the campfire until potatoes reach desired doneness. I actually make this on the grill at home, sometimes, to go with steaks. One of the best side dishes we have had while camping was once when we stopped and bought some fresh ears of corn, still in the husks, from a farmer who was selling it on the side of the road. We just carefully peeled the husks back (helps if you make a longways cut in the husks with a knife to create an opening) and got as much as the silk off as possible. We then pulled the husks back up and tied a strip of husk around each ear to help hold the husks in place. I then carried the corn a few feet and thoroughly wet the shucks by submerging each ear, one at a time, in the Tellico river. If your coals have burned down you can throw these right onto the coals. If there is a small fire but not a blaze, you can put them in the fire ring in front of the fire or you can simply cook them on the grate above the fire. When the outside husks are dry enough to be in danger of burning, the corn is ready to eat. If a few of the outside husks do burn, IMO that just gives more flavor to the corn. It is hard to beat good, fresh roasting ears. This is something else that I will also sometimes do on the grill at home (sans soaking in the Tellico river - I just have to settle for soaking them in tap water at home.) Finally, this is one of my wife's favorite things for me to make while camping. Before going camping, take a couple of pieces of beef tenderloin (chuck mock tender works okay, too.) You want pieces that are roughly two inches by two inches so cut them accordingly. Put them into a sealed container with teriyaki sauce the day before you go camping so that they will be pretty heavily marinated (I make my own sauce but the pre-packaged stuff should be okay.) Grill these over a fairly hot fire (I have one of those tripod setups that holds a grill grate over a campfire - the grates that are actually on fire rings at most camping areas have spaces that are too wide for cooking these.) Cook them until the teriyaki is a little carmelized and the meat reaches desired doneness. Now split some Kings Hawaiian rolls as if they were hamburger buns, lightly butter the cut sides and grill, cut side down, until just toasted. Place one steak piece on each 'bun', top with either gouda or the blue (or bleu) cheese of your choice and enjoy.

I recently purchased an old Stevens single shot 20 gauge and a three-shot, bolt action 20 gauge (with an adjustable choke) at a gun show. They aren't ancient but there isn't anything that could exactly be called a 'serial number' on either one (neither ever had anything that could be called true serial number by today's standards.) The guy from whom I bought them is an FFL who I believe also has a brick and mortar store. He did the TICS check, etc. At the gunshows, he is set up to do the TICS check via the online method but, as there was no serial number on either, he called it in and had no problem getting approval. Both of these shotguns work just fine (except the single doesn't do well with ejecting high brass loads after a shot or two.) They are old enough that they can only accept 2 3/4 inch shells but I believe that either would be just fine for hunting rabbits, etc. or even hunting deer with slugs. They are both solid, utilitarian pieces. Neither is 'rendered inoperable' and 20 gauge ammunition is readily available - even Walmart stocks it. Further, these are the only 20 gauge firearms I own so I couldn't even take in a more modern 20 gauge to purchase ammo then use some of it in these. I have other, newer guns that I can use for hunting and defense. However, it is likely that some folks have such firearms passed down from their grandfather, etc. and such firearms are all they have and all they can afford. These shotguns have not been illegally altered by removing the serial number, they simply never had one - and I would imagine there are a vast number of just such guns out there in use by honest, law-abiding citizens. Those citizens should not be punished just because some jackass politician wants to pass legislation that will do nothing to stop crime. Honestly, are politicians so full of crap and out of touch that they think that criminals have to go to gun stores to buy ammo when they don't go to gun stores to buy the guns to shoot it in?

My private property remains my private property no matter where the vehicle is parked. My car does not become the property of my employer simply because it is parked in the employer's parking lot. I do not use my vehicle for work and the items I choose to keep contained within my vehicle have nothing to do with my job. If I am parked in an employer's parking lot then only such items as are on the exterior of the vehicle are 'interfaced', for lack of a better word, with the employer's property. Any items within the confines of my vehicle, however, are enclosed within my private property. If something is inside my car, it is outside the employer's domain as it is enclosed within my private property. Period. If I remove something (a firearm, for instance) from my vehicle while on the employer's property then it becomes the employer's business. As long as it remains within the confines of my vehicle, however, it is none of the employer's business and the employer should have no right to interfere with my private property nor should employment be conditional on granting the employer permission to do something (search my vehicle) that has nothing to do with my job. Unlike the building in which an employer's business is housed, most parking lots (those that aren't gated, fenced, etc.) are defined simply by where the pavement ends. A vehicle interior, however, is (like a building) a space that is generally more clearly, physically defined and enclosed.

I will continue to keep my HD shotgun in 'cruiser mode' because that is what I prefer. I won't plan on using the sound of the pump to scare anyone off. If I am in the bedroom and know that someone is in the house who shouldn't be and they haven't made it to the bedroom then nothing says I can't quietly operate the pump and be ready to go. If they are already in/just outside the bedroom by the time I realize they are there then by the time I bring the shotgun into the situation the six rounds I will have already fired from the Taurus 66 I keep next to the bed at night will already have 'given away my position'.

I remember during Desert Storm that there were stories of large groups of regular Iraqi Army troops surrendering to one or two U.S. soldiers. It seems that the regular army had little training or desire to fight. Mostly, they were only 'in' the army because Hussein's government forced them to be. What I always heard was the the Republican Guard guys were the trained troops with the will to fight. I remember one story from Desert Storm about American troops being approached by an 'enemy' combatant who was in the regular Iraqi army. The guy was wearing a Chicago Cubs hat and (iirc) shorts. As he walked up to them, grinning, he was reported to have said (with an American accent) something along the lines of, "What the hell took you guys so long?" Apparently, he was an American of Iraqi descent who had family in Iraq and had been in Iraq visiting that family when the war broke out - and had been forced into the Iraqi army by the Iraqi govenment. Whatever the case, if I am ever in an SD shooting situation (and I fervently hope that I never am), I will be pleased if I and other innocent parties emerge alive and unharmed, the bad guys run away and, at the end of it all, I haven't soiled my pants. At least not obviously, anyway.

Pocket carry is not my preferred method for carrying my primary. For one thing, carrying my primary in my strong side pocket means I can't carry my BUG in my weak side pocket (I have to put my cellphone, etc. somewhere.) I also can't stand IWB carry. When the weather is cool enough that I know I won't be removing my cover garment (jacket, overshirt, etc.) I like carrying my Ruger P95 OWB in a belt slide leather holster. The good thing about both of my 'pocket pistols' (a Kel Tec P3AT and a S&W 642) is that they are easily pocketable but will also disappear well under a shirt when carried OWB in a Fobus, etc. That said, pocket carry is just so darned easy and convenient that I end up carrying that way probably 1/3 of the time, at least - especially when we will only be in very low risk areas. As I am unlikely to be attacked by an 800 pound male silverback gorilla on crack, I personally feel okay with five or six rounds of either .380 or .38/.38+P the majority of the time. Both the P3AT and the 642 have advantages and disadvantages when compared to the other. I can shoot the P3AT a little more accurately (of course, I've had the P3AT for years while I've only had the Smith for a little over a month but I have more trigger time on revolvers than semiautos, overall), the recoil from the P3AT doesn't seem as harsh (although I have only fired +P from the Smith so far - there might not be as much difference with the standard pressure stuff), the P3AT holds one more round (two more if you top off the mag after putting one in the chamber), reloading the semiauto would be faster (but if you are reloading a pocket pistol you are probably in a world of hurt) and the flat P3AT possibly hides a little better OWB (although not much.) I have found the P3AT to be much more comfortable in an ankle holster, if that is a consideration - although I rarely ankle carry. The advantage of the Smith is that it is a revolver. When you are talking about such small-and-light-for-caliber guns, I feel that is a significant advantage. I believe that the P3AT and similar pistols are kind of 'pushing the envelope' for size/weight to caliber ratio with regards to reliability. My first gen P3AT wasn't reliable, at all but Kel Tec replaced it with a 2nd gen under warranty (actually, built me a new 2nd gen on my 1st gen frame) and it hasn't hiccuped a single time, yet. That said, I am still a bit of a wheelgun guy at heart and I simply trust revolvers to work when needed more than I trust semiautos. My wife's Kel Tec P32 would make a nice little pocket gun, too. The advantage I see to it is that recoil is light enough I can fire it accurately with my weak hand, only. The P3AT jumps around when I try that with it and I miss as much as I hit. I haven't even tried that with the Smith, yet. Finally, I have an NAA mini revolver in .22WMR that I carry as my weak-hand BUG . I paid $160 for it used in really good shape (but not LNIB.) I don't tend to think of a weak hand BUG as a replacement for my primary, however - more like an alternative to a knife. Personally, I don't think of the NAA as a primary carry gun but some folks do use them in such a role, especially if they need something that absolutely, positively disappears in a pocket. The fact that it is single action is a strike against it as a primary carry, too. That said, it disappears in a pocket even easier than the P3AT or 642, even with the oversized rubber grips I had to put on it in order to be able to control it very well. It is also extremely light. Honestly, I think I'd trust a good WMR round for SD at least as much as I'd trust a .38 S&W. Hornady (in their Critical Defense line) and Speer (Gold Dot) both recently announced the addition of 'short barrel' optimized WMR rounds to their SD ammo lineup, though it remains to be seen how well they perform vs. simply being marketing hype.

I don't know about Calhouns or the Brewery (also owned by the Calhouns folks) as I haven't been to them. I don't even go to the ones closer to home all that often but I do know that there are no postings at the Calhouns on Kingston Pike, the one on Turkey Creek nor the one in Lenoir City nor is the brewery on Turkey Creek posted. The locations in Gatlinburg might be posted, though. Mike Chase was one of the main restaurant owners flapping his gums in opposition to the legislation allowing carry where alcohol is served, which is the main reason I don't eat at his establishments nearly as often as I once did. Yep, I can hold a grudge.

I don't think the pepper spray part is dependent on batteries so it should still work. Still, good point, rsgillmd. Part of the reason I am hesitant about putting a laser on my little Kel Tec pocket pistol is that, with my luck, I'd practice with it, etc. only to find the batteries are dead if I need it for real.

We got that solicitation from our sheriff, too. I have nothing against him, personally, but my first thought was, "Is this organization made up of the same sheriffs who lined up around Bredesen to support his vetoing the restaurant carry bill?" In fact, I seem to remember the Tennessee Sheriff's Association sending letters officially opposing the legislation. The only thing I can find in a quick search that backs up my memory (which has been known to be faulty) is an article from Metro Pulse back in 2009. Yeah, I know - it is Liberal Pulse but still I would hope they didn't just make up this part: The entire article can be found:Tennessee's Now, probably all the sheriff's involved don't agree with that stance but that seems to have been the official stance of the organization. If they don't trust me to have a meal while carrying my legal firearm then f*** 'em and I sure as hell won't send them any money.

I am not an 'expert' so these are just my personal thoughts: 1. I considered the original Pepper Blaster for myself and my wife. I liked that it emits a strong 'stream' and figured that Kimber wouldn't want to put their name on 'junk'. I also like that it is fairly flat and not very thick, making it probably easier to carry inconspicuously than a canister. In the end, the fact that it only has two charges on board is the reason I decided to go with a self defense spray in a more 'traditional' canister format. 2. Building the case to be more like a small pistol, complete with sights, might make it a little easier to handle but it also, well, makes it look like a pistol. Personally, if I am in a SD situation and holding something in my hand that looks like a pistol, I want it to be a pistol - especially since (in my case) if I am relying on pepper spray it will be because I am somewhere that I can't carry a pistol, for some reason. I honestly can't clearly articulate why, that is just the way I feel about it. It isn't like someone is going to be shooting paper targets at ten yards with it so I personally feel that the original Pepper Blaster design was better. Along the lines of pepper spray/alternatives to a firearm for self defense, I have been wondering about this setup (Gander Mountain sells these and that is where I first saw them.) I don't know anything about them beyond the product info that the manufacturer prints on the packaging and/or their website: Tornado at Xfighterdefense.com

Well, then, I do believe I will. Thankee, sir. Basically, I was just going to say that I still believe that there is a much simpler way to handle this without having to bring 'guns' specifically into the mix. I also happen to believe that the 'way' of which I speak goes further to support individual rights as a whole, not just specific to those who would like to have a firearm in their vehicle on company property. What I mean by 'simpler way' would be a bill recognizing that, plainly and simply, my vehicle is my property and what legally possessed items I choose to keep within the confines of my vehicle - as long as those items stay within the confines of my vehicle - are my business no matter where the vehicle happens to be parked at the time. Such a bill would expressly forbid anyone who is not a LEO (including employers) from searching another person's vehicle for any reason. If the employer feels there is valid justification for searching an employees vehicle then the employer should have to call LE and explain specifically why they believe the vehicle should be searched. In other words, the employer would have to say, "We suspect he has been stealing widgets and taking them to his car on his lunch break," and provide the LE with an example of said widgets so he will know what to look for. The responding LEO should be required to have a warrant and the LEO should be forbidden from revealing any contents of the vehicle to the employer that have no connection to the employer (in other words, the cops would not be allowed to reveal information to employers regarding an employee's firearms, religious tracts, what is on the employee's iPod or the stack of Playboy magazines they found in the trunk.) Taking such a stance would change the legislation from being a 'gun bill' to being a 'bill to ensure individual personal property rights." I know that such legislation would probably not apply to prison guards, some Oak Ridge employees, etc. (which really is too bad because I don't think that those folks should have to give up individual freedom/property rights, either.) Outside of those somewhat narrow boundaries, however, legal recognition of the fact that my vehicle is individual property and that employers have no right to violate individual property boundaries - nor to make employment conditional upon being granted permission to do so by the employee - would illeviate the problem while avoiding the amount of extreme polarization that a bill that is gun specific will likely bring.

As recently as last week I didn't see any 54R ammo on the shelves at Gander Mountain, at all. I see that you are in Oak Ridge. You might check with Frontier Firearms. I have bought 7.62X54R ammo - packed into 'generic' looking greenish boxes - there in the past for a pretty decent price but am not in there all that often so I don't know what their supplies are like. Farnsworth's usually has some in stock. Like most places in general, prices there vary depending on if you are buying what I assume is surplus ammo that is wrapped in brown, paper bundles or boxed ammo from commercial companies like Silver Bear, etc. Being a small store, sometimes they don't have both and, from time to time, they don't have either (but I think that is rare.) Vonore is a little way for you to drive, though, so I'd call and find out what they have before going. Benton Shooter's Supply has always had some when I have been in there - but I'm not in there very often (their prices seem high, to me, and they aren't all that close to where I live.) Again, that is a bit of a drive but the up side is that it isn't far from the Spring Creek outdoor shooting range and it's 100 yard range so you could test out some of the ammo you buy (Spring Creek is a state run range, no range officers, open during daylight hours, shoot all day for three bucks per vehicle, not per person - it can get crowded, at times, but other times you might have the place to yourself.) There is no 'real' hazmat fee on loaded ammo. That doesn't stop some companies from charging a 'hazmat' fee. Maybe those companies have stopped doing so, though. I haven't checked into ordering online much, lately, because I prefer to hold a product in my hand before I buy it whenever possible - not just ammo but pretty much anything I'm going to buy, if I have a choice. That way, I know there won't be any 'out of stock' delays or the like. Back when I was considering ordering ammo online, the presence of a 'hazmat' fee with at least some companies was part of what turned me off.

I love that the ad says: Hey, what's a little, temporary damage among friends?

After a while, if I wanted to drop the subject and she wanted to bring it back up, I would simply say, "It doesn't matter if you see a need or not. The fact is, I want to own them, I legally can own them and I do own them. You feel that no one needs a gun. Well, as far as need goes, I do not need to explain myself to you nor do we need to continue this line of conversation."

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Unless I am mistaken, there was a time in the early '90s when Loudon County had the highest per capita unsolved murder rate in the entire country. It even got us a mention on Late Night with David Letterman.

The only places I have personally noticed in the Gatlinburg area that are victim disarmament zones are the official welcome centers/visitor's centers or whatever they call them and Ober Gatlinburg. Remember in the National Park that federally operated buildings where employees are present are generally supposed to be off limits for carry but they are also supposed to post if my understanding is correct.