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I think it depends on if any headshot will do the trick or if a significant portion of the brain must be destroyed. If any headshot will do then heck, yeah - give me a .22 and a boatload of ammo. I am not a great shot - there are many on this forum better than me - but were I to be in a position where I was safe but surrounded (meaning I could take my time and aim), I'd be fairly confident in my ability to put a .22 from a rifle through a zombie's eye with a pretty good rate of success. However, If I am going to have to pump six or eight shots into each zombie brain just to do enough damage to get it to shut down, I think I'd rather have a larger caliber.

I think I have heard that some women, after a number of years of marriage and maybe the couple ending up in a better financial state than when they were married, will have the diamonds/jewels/precious stones from their original engagement/wedding ring put into a new setting with a few more sparklies added. In such a case, the 'frame' is different but there is enough of the original left to maintain the sentimental connection. Just think of it that way - your old Taurus has a new 'setting'. Some couples renew their vows. You renewed your gun (or had Taurus do it for you.)

I have an old H&R 930 9 shot .22 revolver that I just bought a year or two back. Starting with it clean, it tends to start getting a little 'sticky' on ejecting after firing a few cylinders full. Even with totally clean chambers, it wants to 'bind' a bit if I fire hypervelocity LR ammo through it. In fact, it takes quite a lot of pressure to eject hypervelocity empties and I don't shoot them through it very much. Shorts eject with no problems (and, for whatever reason, seem a bit more accurate from mine.) In the case of my revolver, I think it is just the 'nature of the beast' and not something to be fixed - but it sounds like yours is sticking worse than mine. That said I have a six shot Taurus 66 (.357) I picked up a couple of years ago that was made in the late '80s. This did not look like a 20+ year old gun - more like a one or two year old gun - and I think I soon figured out why. Empties took so much pressure to eject that I sometimes had to put the end of the ejection rod against a hard surface and push to get them out. Unfired rounds would drop right out but empties, after firing, would bind terribly. Eventually, I realized that even the empties would sometimes simply fall out if I turned the gun with the muzzle pointed up with the cylinder open and shook the gun a bit. Well, all the empties except for one chamber. Ejecting that one chamber still took as much pressure as ejecting all six so I knew that chamber was the problem. I inspected the chamber and for the life of me couldn't find anything wrong. I started watching the brass from that chamber and realized it was leaving a long, hair-thin scratch on the empties. Looking very closely at the area of the chamber that corresponded with that scratch, I finally saw a tiny burr that was probably smaller than an average grain of sand near the mouth of the chamber. A few seconds with some fairly fine grit sandpaper and the problem was solved. Empties - even from 180 grain hard cast Buffalo Bore loads - now eject just as easily as they should.

I would like to have a .357 lever carbine to have ammo commonality with my .357 revolver. I believe .357 to be the most versatile, commonly available caliber and a .357 revolver to be the most versatile, commonly available handgun. Until then, however, I have a Hi-Point 995TS that has ammo compability with my Ruger P95. I do not trust any semiauto as much as a good revolver but if I were going to say that any semi was 'revolver reliable' it would be that Ruger - and it is built like a tank to boot, not to mention not very expensive, especially if you find one used. The Hi-Point is accurate and, so far, very reliable. Its main drawback is that the factory mags hold only ten rounds. ProMag makes a fifteen rounder but they are said to be very hit or miss for functionality. Of course, if you are mostly defending and not going out looking for trouble (as would be the case with me, as well) then that might not be such a huge problem. There is also a mag holder made for use with the TS stock that allows one to carry two extra mags onboard. That plus the P95 with a sixteen round mag in it and a couple of extra sixteen rounders on the belt would be quite a bit of short to mid-range firepower, IMO for not a lot of money. For 'longer' ranges, honestly, even my lever 30-30 would probably work for any 'longer' range work I might need. Heck, to be truthful a .357 lever would likely do the trick as, like you, I wouldn't be running around looking for trouble and where I live I don't think I'd have anything over a 100 yard clear shot in any direction (if that.) For a .22, I'd likely go with my Henry lever over my semiautos. I mostly learned to shoot a rifle on a lever 30-30 so that is the platform I like and am best with. Within 25 yards or so, on a good day, I can shoot that Henry with no optic better than I can shoot most scoped semiatuo .22s. If I had a lever .357 and went with my lever 30-30 as the longer range/more punch gun then going with the Henry would also give the advantage that all the long guns would be the same platform and operating them would be the same. That would simplify things to getting really good with a revolver and one carbine/rifle platform.

I have bought ammo at some Walmart locations after 10:30 on more than one occasion. I have had folks tell me that they have tried to buy it after 10 or 10:30 at other locations and were told that they couldn't sell ammo that late. Either some of the employees are full of BS or the policy varies from store to store. Honestly - as it seems there is not usually an employee specifically assigned to Sporting Goods during later hours - I have to wonder if in at least some of these 'can't sell ammo after 10' incidents the truth is that the employee just doesn't want to come out and say, "I'm too damned lazy to go and find someone with a key."

Heritage used to make a revolver that shoots it. I don't think they make any in that chambering, anymore, but I am sure there are still some out there. As for the handgun or rifle question, sometimes I get asked and sometimes I don't. I think the register probably does prompt them to ask but, as someone else said, I think that some see that I am obviously over 21 and just hit the key to continue the sale.

I avoid such nightmares by carrying revolvers in my dreams. Sorry, couldn't resist.

The article was obviously written by folks who at best know little about guns and who, at worst, are anti-gun. Reference the dumbass comment about FMJ being more 'humane' than expanding bullets. Hell, FMJ are not legal for hunting in TN because such hunting with FMJ would be inhumane. I agree that some folks seem to terribly overestimate what is needed for hunting certain animals, etc. That said, any somewhat valid or humorous points the article might have otherwise made were overwhelmed by their holier-than-thou, anti-gun, anti-hunting attitude.

A couple of years back I had some strange thing with my heart where the muscle got weak. There were no blockages or anything else, just a rather suddenly weakened heart muscle - my ejection fraction was down to 15% where most adults my age have an EJ of 65% to 75%. Along with that came fluid collecting around my heart, resulting in congestive heart failure. Since then, I have been on multiple medications to control my heart rate, keep fluid off and so on. I have recovered to the point that my EJ is now 50%-55% so things aren't as dire but, for now, I am still on multiple meds for that. Diabetes also runs in my family and a couple of years ago the docs decided I have it (non insulin dependent.) I have to take a couple of pills a day for that. In a SHTF situation, honestly, what would probably get me first if I ran out of meds would most likely be if water retention again became a problem. I'd guess it would take a little while with no meds for it to get to the point of being a problem and probably even longer before my heart finally just gave out. Judging by the way I felt, before, however in the final stages I'd be short of breath, would have no energy and would not be capable of running from anything. My plan would be to spend whatever time I had, while I was capable of doing things, trying to make sure that my loved ones would have the best, possible chances once I am gone. There would be no bugging out, for me, as long as there is a choice. My nephew has type 1 diabetes and was diagnosed as a small child. He takes multiple insulin injections a day and, like your son, some of his insulin has to be kept cold. He is seventeen, enjoys watching zombie shows and playing zombie video games. He was recently talking about how 'cool' a zombie outbreak might be. That is, until I pointed out to him that once we each ran out of our respective meds, we'd both most likely be toast. I told him that I might only have a few months but that once he ran out of insulin he'd only have a few days or maybe a couple of weeks, if he is lucky, and that it might be impossible to keep his insulin that needs to be refrigerated cold. He hadn't thought of that.

And, IMO, Luksusowa Potato Vodka - although it isn't particularly expensive - is the one that tastes the best of the limited brands I have tried. Otherwise, vodka to me is a 'mixing' spirit and I like that most have little flavor.

All such machines I have seen use pennies as the coin that is squashed, restamped and so on. My understanding (IANAL) is that this is okay because, for whatever reason, pennies are not protected by the 'do not destroy currency' rule.

I am a bit of a Kel Tec 'fan' but have no real desire for a PMR30. My Rough Rider and NAA mini take care of my WMR handgun needs and my Marlin 925M bolt rifle rounds out my uses for the caliber pretty well. Sometimes I do have an itch for an eight or nine round double action revolver in WMR but there are other things I want more. The carbine version of the PMR30 - the RMR30 - should be interesting but I won't be shelling out the NIB price for one even after the price settles in. Rumor has it (confirmed by a KT employee who belongs to the KTOG forum) that KT is working on a .22LR conversion for the PMR30 if they can get 30 or so .22LR rounds to stack correctly in and feed correctly from a straight mag. If it works out, there are apparently plans to eventually do a stand alone .22LR only version.

Cruel Hand Luke's excellent post prompted me to try and find more comparison information. Being that one could spend hours/days/weeks/years trying to compile and compare various data points, I decided to go the simpler route and let the ammo companies give me enough basic info to make the comparison to my satisfaction. As such, I looked at the energy numbers for Federal HydraShok ammo (from the Federal site) and a few, different loadings of Winchester ammo (mostly PDX1 with others thrown in the mix here and there, from the Winchester site.) Of course, I have no way of knowing what barrel lengths, etc. were used for testing the various calibers but would think that the lengths would be similar across the various calibers. I looked at their numbers for .380, .38 Special, .38 Special +P, 9mm Luger, 9mm Luger +P (where available - I didn't see a listing for 9mm +P HydraShok), .40 and .45 ACP. Since the discussion here seems to be focused mostly on 9mm vs .40 vs .45 ACP, I will only post numbers for those. The numbers I will post are the 'at the muzzle' energy (foot pounds) numbers from each company's site. First the Federal HydraShok numbers: 9mm Luger HydraShok 124 grain - 345 .40 HydraShok 165 grain - 352 .45 ACP HydraShok 230 grain- 414 I really don't see that much difference between the three - especially when considering: .357 Magnum HydraShok 130 grain - 574 .44 Remington Magnum HydraShok 240 grain - 780 Now for the Winchester numbers: 9mm Luger Winchester USA 115 grain JHP - 383 9mm Luger Silvertip 115 grain JHP - 383 9mm Luger +P PDX1 124 grain JHP - 396 .40 PDX1 165 grain JHP - 476 .45 ACP PDX1 230 grain JHP - 432 Interestingly, the PDX1 number posted doesn't reflect as big a 'jump' regarding .357: .357 Magnum PDX1 125 grain JHP - 487 The numbers both companies post for premium, self defense ammo - along with the following, oft posted (and reposted) pic convince me that the biggest 'real world' difference between 9mm Luger, .40 and .45 ACP is that 9mm is cheaper to shoot. I have certainly seen nothing to convince me that .40 is really markedly superior to 9mm and remain convinced that the biggest reason .40 came about was because a couple of perps named Matix and Platt were determined and tough and the FBI agents on the scene might not have gotten the best shot placement in all instances (which is understandable.) Had the agents in the Miami shootout who were armed with 9mm had .40, instead, with ammo similar to what they were using then I don't think it would have made a bit of difference.

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The way I read the OP, timcar86 was not asking about transporting a loaded firearm in one's vehicle to the range without an HCP. Instead, the way I read it, he was asking about the actual walk from the car (parked in the parking area/lot for the range) to the range, proper while carrying both a firearm and ammo. Therefore, my non-lawyer opinion would be that such activity would be covered by and okay under: 39-17-1308. Defenses to unlawful possession or carrying of a weapon. (a) It is a defense to the application of § 39-17-1307 if the possession or carrying was: (4) Incident to lawful hunting, trapping, fishing, camping, sport shooting or other lawful activity;

But one of the coolest paperweights one could as for!

One good place to start comparisons might be with the info from the North American Arms website. They make mini revolvers chambered for .22LR, some chambered for .22 WMR (Magnum) and some with interchangeable cylinders to allow them to shoot both. Based on the velocity charts on their website that compare the two rounds from the guns they make, it is obvious that even from really short barrels (1 5/8 inch, for instance, in the case of some of their guns) the WMR round still has a measurable velocity advantage over .22LR, generally speaking - sometimes to the tune of two or three hundred feet per second. The NAA velocity chart for a 1 5/8 inch .22LR: http://northamericanarms.com/ball_lr58 The NAA velocity chart for a 1 5/8 inch .22WMR: http://northamerican....com/ball_mag58 The WMR (Winchester Magnum Rimfire) round was developed mostly as a rifle round and apparently it really 'comes into its own' over the .22LR in rifle length barrels. Some folks say that you don't really gain much when firing a WMR from a handgun. I disagree and various info I have seen indicates that a .22WMR fired from a revolver with at least a 6 inch barrel roughly equals the velocity/energy of a .22LR fired from a rifle. To me, that is pretty significant - although the advantage is somewhat lessened (albeit still present, as shown by the NAA charts) when firing from really short barrels. Further, the construction of the bullets/rounds is different. Most (all?) .22LR rounds use either a bare lead bullet or a lead bullet that has a copper (or other material) wash or plating - not a true jacket and, to my understanding, intended mostly to help cut down on lead fouling in the barrel with higher velocity rounds. Also, .22LR rounds use a bullet that is smaller in diameter at the bottom than the main body of the bullet. These bullets are called 'heeled' bullets. This 'heel' fits into the case of the .22LR round and the case is pretty much the same diameter as the main body of the bullet. A .22WMR, on the other hand, uses a bullet that is the same diameter at the bottom as the rest of the body of the bullet. The WMR bullet fits into a case that is of slightly greater diameter than the bullet and, in that way, is more similar in construction to centerfire rounds than to its 'baby' brother, the .22LR. As I previously alluded, another difference is that, with some exceptions, most .22WMR bullets use a true, jacketed bullet rather than a simple wash or plating. In this way, again, these bullets are more similar to centerfire FMJ or JHP than they are to .22LR. One of the exceptions is Winchester Dynapoint WMR which is kind of an odd hybrid as it is loaded in a .22WMR case but made to closely mimic the properties of the old .22WRF (Winchester Rim Fire) load. As such, the Dynapoint is loaded to lower velocities than many other WMR loads but it still uses a non-heeled bullet (as do true WRF loads.) There are also now a couple of WMR rounds that are said to be more 'optimized' for handguns. Specifically, I am aware of Hornady Critical Defense WMR and Speer Gold Dot WMR. Of course, these are more expensive than some other WMR ammo. I tested both of them from my own 1 5/8 inch barreled mini revolver and was disappointed with the Critical Defense and not entirely overwhelmed with the Gold Dot. In my completely unscientific water jug tests, the Critical Defense penetrated three jugs, made a hole in the back of the third and was found in the third. The Gold Dot penetrated three jugs and was found partially protruding from the back of the third jug, stuck in the plastic of the jug. The big difference, however, was that the Critical Defense barely expanded while the Gold Dot round came out perfectly expanded, looking just like the pic on the front of the box. That said, even the super cheap Winchester Dynapoint - which is loaded to slightly lower velocities and uses a copper washed bullet - penetrated five jugs, made a hole in the face of the sixth and 'rebounded' to be recovered from the fifth. Obviously much better penetration albeit with no real expansion.

I understand that but I hate crowds. Maybe if I met up with a group of folks I know then I would enjoy it more but one of the things I don't like is how you will be standing at a table, politely and patiently waiting for the vendor to finish talking to another customer so that you can ask him a question and some dufus will just come up and force his way between you and the table. Until I started going to the gun shows more, I always thought that gun guys were more courteous and respectful than that. I have learned, though, so now such folks often get an 'accidental' elbow to the ribs when they try that crap - or else if someone tries shoving me out of the way I will just blatantly shove back. Still, such behavior kills any buzz I might have gotten from being around so many guns.

Thanks for the clarification. I believe that has changed since I worked at a grocery store - back then we were told that basically any woman with a baby was eligible. Of course, that was more than twenty years ago.

Heck, give me a couple of glass jugs, some water, sugar, some type of fruit and a few weeks and I'll be able to get happy. It won't have the same antiseptic properties, etc. as distilled alcohol but it will be able to improve moods. Then, again, my dad made and ran 'shine in the Lookout Mountain area when he was younger. I first learned to make wine from him. He used the old country method that simply uses yeast that is already present for fermentation. He also did sort of an 'open' fermentation where he just covered the glass jar he was fermenting it in with a cloth secured with a rubber band to keep stuff out of it. I eventually started using cultured yeasts and a home-made setup intended to work similarly to the way a carboy works. Mine got higher alcohol contents using that method (I haven't made any wine in a couple of years) but his method would probably be easier to manage in a post-SHTF world. Anyhow, I had him describe the 'shine making process to me in pretty good detail, once, just in case I ever needed to know. I've never done it, myself, but based on the information I got from him, I think I could figure it out.

My nephew has a wood/blued 10/22 and it shoots pretty nice with the irons. Feels nice in the hands, too. I have an old Winchester 190 that already looked very 'used' when I got it. I have an inexpensive, adjustable .22 scope on it. I also have a Glenfield (Marlin) model 60 I use with iron sights. Honestly, to me, all three of those shoot about the same (all of them decently well for my purposes.) I am thinking about getting a 10/22 because I like the way they look. I like the removeable, box mag and the fact that there are hi-cap mags available for them. I also like that there are furniture kits that allow them to be made into an M1 carbine clone. To be completely truthful, though, for sheer fun factor my Henry lever action .22 LR takes the prize. The majority of my early rifle experience was with a lever 30-30 and that is my favorite platform. I use the iron sights on the Henry and because a lever was the platform I more or less learned to shoot a rifle on, I am a little more accurate with the Henry within iron sights range than with any semiauto I have ever fired.

Me, too. My mom learned to shoot on a pump .22 and wanted one for years. She finally picked up an old Norinco pump .22 a few years back and it is fun to shoot. I don't know that I'd want a pump in a centerfire rifle but a .22LR or a .22WMR pump would be fun.

My understanding was that WIC isn't financially based.

I've never eaten eggs from a fish I caught. I can say I don't care much for caviar. Also, I really like many types of sushi/sashimi but I don't like the stuff with roe on it. As far as weirdest, well, some folks would consider the aforementioned sushi/sashimi to be weird - especially the unagi (freshwater eel - one of my favorites). I also like beef tongue, especially in tacos or prepared in a Colombian style 'creole' sauce although I have only gotten to eat the latter twice and that restaurant - which was in Cleveland, TN - is no longer in business. I'm planning to try my hand at making Columbian style beef tongue in creole sauce, soon. I've eaten goat a couple of times in the Caribbean. I also really like escargot when they are prepared right. When I worked at a grocery store, I would sometimes go into the meat cutting room and snack on a piece or two of fresh raw beef - usually beef stew - as the butchers were cutting it off of the larger piece. That was in the '80s, before the meat 'scares', and it tasted really good. I have heard that most modern humans have trouble digesting very much raw meat such as beef, etc. - I guess I have a Neanderthal stomach because I would eat quite a bit of it, sometimes, and it never bothered me. In fact, it usually made me feel pretty good. I was working in the meat cutting room one day when one of the butchers dared me to drink a cup of the blood from the beef (I don't think he knew I actually liked the raw meat.) I did it, so I guess that is a bit weird (but it wasn't bad.) As far as 'game' goes, I guess the racoon I smoked, pulled and made sandwiches out of with a home-made barbecue sauce was a little unusual. The little b*stard shouldn't have gotten into my chicken coop.

Sadly, I can't do that even on the Internet.