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The O.J. case was different than a self defense case in which the defendant is found not guilty. Further, TN state law did not apply in the O.J. case. IANAL but my understanding is that, while the defendant can still be sued, a 'not guilty' verdict in a self defense case means the person bringing suit has to pay 100% of the court costs as well as the defendant's lawyer costs, etc.

I think our approach to this is simply different (neither is wrong, IMO, just different.) I like the short crowbar because I would prefer a good pry bar, etc. that could work well if it needed to be pressed into service as a skull crusher (skull crushing being a secondary function.) It appears that you prefer a good skull crusher that could work well if it needed to be pressed into service as a pry bar (pry bar being the secondary function, in this case.) I think that is because I am coming down closer to the 'Caster' end of the zombie slaying continuum (but not entirely on his end of things.) I would want something that would work close range, hand to hand if I had to but doing so would be more because my plan failed than because I had planned to do so.

Kind of on the same track as Jonnin said, we are in Tennessee, not Montana. Sure, we have some cold days in this state (and maybe more so in some areas than others) but Arctic parkas aren't exactly standard issue in the Southeast U.S. That said, I do carry my Ruger P95 more often in the winter while my 642 or, sometimes, KT P3AT gets more carry in the summer (with the CZ 82 working in here and there in all times of year.) That has more to do with my clothing, however, than a potential assailant's. I am very warm natured and often can't even stand wearing an unbuttoned shirt over a t-shirt in the warmest part of the year and I don't carry IWB so that means carrying guns that will easily fit in a pocket or hide well OWB under just a single layer of clothing (t-shirt or etc.) In the cooler parts of the year, however, I can generally stand at least an unbuttoned shirt over a tucked in t-shirt which makes at least casual concealment of an OWB Ruger P95 possible.

This thread kind of reminds me of the old joke, "I want to go peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather - not screaming in terror like the other people in his car." I kind of like the method of execution chosen by the condemned man in Monty Python's 'Meaning of Life'. He chose to be chased off of a cliff by a mob of attractive, topless women. There was, actually, some study done by various individuals involving people put to death by beheading. Mostly, the combined results are inconclusive but there is at least some indication that some individuals do survive and retain at least some level of consciousness for at least a short time. I have actually read a supposed account of a scientist who was curious about this very thing and, apparently, studied it as much as he could. Well, he got his chance to do the 'ultimate research' when he was sentenced to death by decapitation, himself. Supposedly, he told his assistant/understudy to watch carefully and if his brain still retained any level of awareness when his head hit the basket he would blink his eyes for as long as he could in order to communicate that awareness with the assistant. I found a link to an article about that, and other, accounts: http://www.damninter...d-decapitation/

Isn't that the model that looks like a single action, came in convertible models but could be shot double action? If so, personally, for a hundred bucks I'd buy it. I have an H&R 930 (nine shot .22 revolver) that I paid just about that amount for at a gun show a couple of years back. I just wanted a DA .22 revolver and didn't really want to go 'high dollar' so it was a good fit for what I wanted. It isn't the same 'style' as the 942 but I wouldn't be surprised if they are similar, otherwise. As TNWNGR said, the DA trigger isn't the greatest but I wouldn't call it 'horrible' (I have fired a few DA rimfire revolvers that were definitely worse.) Mine isn't what I would call a 'tack driver' but I can generally hit what I am aiming at. CCI snake shot works just fine in my 930 and I would assume the same would be true of the 949. For some reason, my 930 seems to be a lot more accurate with shorts than with LR ammo. I have fired a few types of hypervelocity ammo from it without issue other than the empty casings being noticeably more difficult to extract. Mostly that was just to 'try it', though and I don't plan to feed it a steady diet of the hyper-v stuff. I hope that helps.

So, would a fellow 'heretic' (me) be invited to shoot them, too? To me, part of the history of these guns is shooting them in the present. That is the only way, to my mind, to truly appreciate the craftsmanship, etc. that others have mentioned. Sure, light loads and great care, etc. but these aren't paintings, sculptures, etc, that are just made to look at (although some might be just as aesthetically pleasing.) I don't care how nice, old, rare, etc. they are - if these guns are just hanging in a museum somewhere not being fired then they are not much more than hunks of metal and wood languishing away, unused. But, hey, I am also the kind of guy who, at various times in my life: 1. Used my great grandmother's bed (which, if I am not mistaken, was also her parents' bed - made in the late 1800s) as the bed I slept on every night, 2. Daily drove a 1964 Ford pickup truck for a couple of years when I was in college (mid-1990s) 3. Buy unusual, antique doorknobs to repurpose as handles for walking canes (when I get around to it) 4. Have used my great, great grandfather's sharpening steel to sharpen knives 5. Enjoy making cider on a 1800's era cider press that a friend has and 6. Waited until no one was looking then slipped off, by myself, to the mostly unused second floor of the herbalist's cottage in Savannah (the oldest standing structure in Georgia and possibly the oldest in the South) just to see what was up there (hey, there were no signs prohibiting it and no one told me not to so...) So it isn't that I don't respect/value history. Instead, it is that I value and respect history so much that I want to experience it as much as possible. I would have been one of the scientists who ate part of a wooly mammoth that was found partially preserved in the permafrost or tasted wine found in amphoras at the bottom of the ocean from a Roman shipwreck centuries ago.

Heh. Gotta disagree, there. Technically, chili isn't one, particular dish but rather a classificantion for a wide variety of dishes. Chili refers to any soup or stew that has one or more types of chile pepper as a significant part of the base/ingredients. That means with beans, no beans and even things like Mexican pozole soup - usually made with pork and, of course, hominy. Hence more specific names like chile con carne, chile verde, Texas Red chili, chili with beans and so on. Heck, because the traditional type uses a good bit of hot (Hungarian) paprika, even some Hungarian Ghoulash counts as a chili.

Heck, even the Dalai Lama has said that if someone has a gun and is trying to kill you then it is reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. Of course, I think he went on to say something about trying to shoot them in the leg, etc. but still - when even a Buddhist monk and religious leader who is often seen as an embodiment of peace and compassion thinks shooting the bastich is the right thing to do...

I would think that seeing you carrying a gun would create 'reasonable suspicion' as carrying a gun is illegal. Only after stopping and possibly searching you would the LEO find out that you have an HCP. ETA: on further reading I see that others already addressed that question.

What do you consider full sized? I carry my Ruger P95 sometimes in cooler weather (when thicker cover garments aren't too warm) but to my understanding the P95 is actually considered a 'compact' pistol. At any rate, it is fairly bulky and heavier than my other carry guns so I didn't think I'd be able to carry it comfortably. Then I tried carrying it in an OWB leather belt slide holster that holds it fairly high (with the trigger about even with the belt line) and tight to my side. That makes the weight balance comfortable and actually makes it fairly easy to conceal under something like an unbuttoned, untucked denim shirt.

I was going to say that someone on another gun forum to which I belong is a fan of kilts. He posted pics the other day of how he carries in his 'utility kilt'. Utility kilts apparently have large, deep pockets so he is able to pocket carry but if one were wearing a traditional 'kilt' such a inner thigh rig might be just the thing. In fact, a couple of other guys on that forum responded that they also like wearing kilts and one of them is apparently a LEO (I'm guessing he wears kilts off duty) so maybe I'll point them to this holster. I generally don't like the kind of 'all eyes on me' attention that wearing a kilt in public, though (although I see nothing wrong with others doing so) so it still probably wouldn't be a good carry option, for me.

I didn't notice that one (if it was there) when I was in there last week. Then, again, my attention was pretty focused on the Marlin 1894 I was putting in lay-away. Was it on the 'mil-surp' rack? He gets some pretty interesting, older milsurp stuff in there. That is where my nephew and I got our Mannlicher carbines and I noticed he had several more of those in stock the other day.

I just got into reloading, myself. so I don't have nearly the experience that some of the guys on here have. Further, I currently don't have dies, etc. to load for any rifle and, so far, have only loaded for .38 Special. In other words, I am certainly no 'expert' or vastly experienced reloader so take that into consideration as I give my opinion. That said, it didn't cost me anywhere near $700 to get started. I am using a Lee Challenger single stage press. Maybe Lee presses are 'crappy' and maybe they aren't - I don't know - but I like this one just fine and don't foresee ever breaking it, etc. It handles every stage of the process from removing the spent primer to producing a loaded round so I really don't see what could be 'crappy' about it. Mine came as part of a kit (called the Anniversary kit) that also included a powder measure, a balance arm scale and a few, other goodies. IIRC, the kit itself was right around a hundred bucks, new, at Sportsman's Warehouse Reloading bench? I bought a pretty solid, old, 'compact' computer desk (actually not a desk, per se, more like what we used to call a 'peanut' or a seated work station) and by old I mean it was set up to make it easy/convenient to use with tractor feed paper as used by dot matrix printers. I think it cost me $15 at Goodwill and is the perfect size for where I needed it to fit. I then simply bolted/screwed my press and powder measure down to a piece of board and use C-clamps to clamp the setup to that computer desk (which means it will easily come off and go back on so I can use the desk as a desk/table if I need to do so.) Brass tumbler? Not yet. I'm reloading my own, once fired (factory) brass that - being they were fired from a revolver - went straight from the gun back into the ammo box and didn't spend any time wallowing in the dirt, mud or so on so they are plenty clean. Shiny, even. When I start reloading for semiautos or the lever action .44 I currently have on layaway I will probably want one. Calipers? Again, not yet. Well, I have a caliper that I inherited from my late grandfather that is of a different type than most folks use for reloading (more of an automotive use type) but a measuring tool is a measuring tool so it seems to work, okay. Mostly, though, I don't use it and didn't have it when I first started reloading. For me and the type of rounds I am loading, either setting the seating die by putting a loaded, factory round of the same/similar type into the press to set OAL or simply using the cannelure on bullets that have them (isn't what the cannelure is there for?) has worked just fine. If I get into reloading more than one or two bullet types in more than a couple of calibers I will want a digital caliper for easier reading but for now I haven't needed one. Trimmer? The Lee set came with a case trimmer but I haven't even taken it out of its packaging, yet, so I don't even know how it would work. I haven't needed to trim any cases (again, not loading rifle rounds - at least, not yet) so I can't speak to how well it works (or doesn't.) Priming tool? Nope, don't need it - at least not for the rounds I am loading. The Lee Challenger has a primer feeder and option for a priming tool built into the press (and all the stuff you need to use it comes with the kit.) When I put a previously deprimed case into the press I bell the mouth on the 'up' stroke, operate the primer feeder to put a primer in place while the press is in the 'up' position then prime the case on the 'down' stroke. Works well, for me. Loading blocks? Don't have any and don't need them. I just use the trays from the factory ammo. I put de-primed brass (primer end up) in one and move them to a different one once the new primer is inserted. When it comes time to load, I drop powder into the case, insert a bullet, seat the bullet in the press and then put the now fully loaded round into another tray ready to go into a factory box (I take the factory cardboard boxes apart at the seam, fold them inside out, glue them back together at the same seam and write the load data on the now blank outside.) Because of that, I don't have a point in my process where charged cartridges are left sitting without a bullet in them. One thing that I don't have but do feel I need is a bullet puller. I'd also like to have a digital scale just because I think it would be quicker/more convenient to use than the balance arm type I have - but I am making plinking ammo, not match grade so as long as the scale is precise enough for that then I'd be happy.

My opinion? Looks awkward to draw from, difficult to access from a lot of positions and only useful if there is absolutely no better option (and it is hard for me to believe that there wouldn't usually be a better option.) Plus I'd bet it chafes like a mutha'.

Honestly, about like four years of Romney. I see both of them as politicians more interested in tuning up their fiddles than actually preventing the fire.

I've seen that rifle. In fact, I've fired it. When he says 'like new', he means 'like new' as in it could have come off the assembly line last week. Pretty amazing, really. My nephew recently inherited an Argentine Mauser from my maternal grandfather. My grandfather had a few boxes (the boxes look pretty old - Norma brand, I think) of commercial factory ammo. I haven 't fired his, yet, and it isn't in nearly as good a shape as Jonnin's (the forearm wood was cut back to 'sporterize' it somewhere along the way) but is sure is a big boomer!

Whether AD or intentional shooting, the story states that the clerk is in the hospital in critical condition. If a stranger shoots me and I am seriously enough injured that I am going to end up in critical condition I don't think I am going to wait around to see whether he says, "Oops," or shoots me, again before I act in self defense. Instead, at that point, I am going to assume (based on the bullet hole in my person leaking precious bodily fluids) that there is a real threat of death or serious, bodily injury.

If you aren't referring to the WKRP in Cincinnati episode where they dropped turkeys from a helicopter (and the boss says afterward, "God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly,") then that has to be the weirdest coincidence ever. Personally, I would not support dropping live pigs on extremist Muslims. I have more respect for pigs than that. Now, filling some of those planes like they use to drop water on forest fires with pig blood from slaughterhouses and dropping the payload on them, well, I'd be all for it.

You mean like the one I put on lay-away at my favorite LGS this past week? I was trying to decide between a .357 lever and a .44 Mag lever. Finding a used, pre-safety (micro-groove rifled) .44 Mag Marlin 1894 made the decision for me. It is just as well - I don't currently have a single action revolver in .357 to pair with a lever gun (I don't do cowboy action I just want to have a lever/revolver combo and pairing a .357 lever with my double action .357 just didn't sound like quite as much fun) but I do have a Super Blackhawk in .44 Mag.

The first post made me think of a joke I read on another forum... In the days of the horse and buggy, a fellah notices an odd procession going down the road in front of his house. At the front of the procession is a funeral buggy. Behind that is another, identical funeral buggy. Behind the second buggy a man is walking a dog. Behind the man with the dog there are fifty more men walking, single file and every once in a while there is a bit of pushing, shoving and what appears to be jostling for position among those men. Well, the strangeness of the procession is more than the observer can stand so he walks up to the man with the dog and asks about the deceased. Man with dog: "Well, that first buggy is carrying the body of my wife to her final resting place." Stranger: "Oh, I am sorry to hear that. You appear to be a fairly young man. I hope I am not being too intrusive in asking what happened to her." Man: "She threatened to hit me with a rolling pin and my good, old faithful dog here killed her thinking he was protecting me." Stranger: "Really? And what about the second buggy?" Man: "That's my mother in law. She kicked the dog and tried to stop it from killing my wife. The dog killed her, too." Stranger: "Wow. Say, can I borrow that dog?" Man, indicating the line of men walking behind him: "Sure, but you'll have to get in line."

Perhaps the thief should consider their 'loved ones' before he starts doing things that are likely to get him killed in a fairly ignoble manner. His 'loved ones' are no responsibility of mine.

I disagree. The table that I inherited from my grandmother - her kitchen table around which I enjoyed so many dinners and of which I have so many fond memories - isn't worth a whole lot of money, I am sure. However, it is worth a damn sight more, to me, than the life of some jackass who would break into my home and steal it. Again, my microwave, my stereo or even some cash probably would not be 'worth' taking a life (although the fact that, as someone else said, they crossed my threshold to do so would) but there is some property that is worth more, to me, than some random thief's life. Some kid lifting a candy bar or some guy grabbing a few bucks from a cash register (without threatening violence) is a lot different, to me, than stealing property of significant monetary or sentimental value from a person's residence (with the sentimental value being of even greater importance, to me.) As I said, I will comply with the law and would only use deadly force when legal, i.e. when I honestly believe there is a threat of death or serious, bodily injury to myself or someone I care about. However, I would fully support a change in the law to allow deadly force to be used in the protection of property.

Once when I was pulled over and the officer asked where I was going I made the mistake of answering honestly. Dunkin' Donuts. That really was where I was going but I don't think the officer took the answer very kindly. I got the ticket. (As opposed to a friend of mine who used to work for Krispy Kreme and who actually got out of a speeding ticket because he was taking a few dozen donuts home from work and 'graciously' gave the officer a dozen.) Since then, I have decided that there is a simple, easy solution that will let me answer the question without raising suspicions while still maintaining my privacy. Lie. See, if someone asks me a question that is really none of their business then I feel no obligation to tell them the truth and simply wearing a badge and a blue outfit doesn't have the effect of a truth serum. Therefore, no matter when or where I get stopped, if the officer asks where I am going, if it has no real bearing on the situation and I simply don't feel like telling them then I will always be on my way to/from: A. My house B. A friend's house C. Walmart D. Work Of course, if the question is apropos to the situation or really is important for some, other reason (or if it is going on an official police report) I would not give a false statement. To me, though, "Where are you going?" does not count as such a question until and unless martial law and official curfews are implemented. As for presenting my HCP, I figure the fact that I have an HCP is public record and that informing the officer really could avoid potential problems. Heck, all someone has to do is go to the link on the Commercial Appeal website and they can find out if I have an HCP so my informing a cop isn't a big deal, to me. My wallet has a little, bifold insert with clear plastic over each side on the inside. I have my DL in one side and my HCP in the other and will just hand the whole thing to the officer. That way I can subtly hand over the HCP without making a big deal out of it.

I'd guess that the most historically significant handgun, to my mind, would be the first successfully used one (so black powder, muzzle loader, single shot.) Without it, the others mentioned might never have existed. Now, if you want to talk historically significant firearms, I'd probably go with the first of the old, medieval 'pole cannon' type weapons. The advent and deployment of these meant that common peasants could be taught to fight and used to good effect. Archers were still probably more effective, at the time, but training and outfitting a good archer required an investment of much more time and energy than training a couple of peasants to 'point this end at the enemy and fire.' Further, such firearms changed the face of the battlefield as they began to make suits of armor almost obsolete - peasants (who in the sense of political/financial and training were 'cheap' and plentiful) could take out a knight in full armor (who was an 'expensive' troop.) Otherwise, as far as most historically significant event connected to a single firearm, the first thing that came to my mind was also the assassination of Ferdinand. The war might have happened, anyway, but the way it did happen made that .32 pretty darned significant.

Just for future reference, in case you get a WMR handgun and like shooting the WRF ammo, be aware that some new WRF ammo will have 'not for use in revolvers' or some such printed on the label. The CCI WRF ammo I bought at Sportsman's Warehouse recently had that disclaimer. My understanding is that the disclaimer applies to WRF revolvers and not WMR revolvers. I read up on it and found that some older WRF revolvers wouldn't handle some WRF rounds. IIRC, it was because some manufacturers used .22LR barrels on the WRF revolvers. The CCI WRF ammo uses a jacketed bullet (and not a lead or washed lead that could more easily conform to a smaller-than-spec barrel), hence the warning. My understanding is that, as WMR ammo usually uses a jacketed bullet, anyway - and as any revolver that can shoot WMR is going to have a barrel that can handle WMR ammo, the WRF should be fine in those firearms, too. Also, again in case you decide you like the WRF ammo and can't easily come by it in the future, Winchester Dynapoint is a WMR loading that is intended to more closely match the old WRF load. It is one of the few WMR loads (actually the only one of which I am aware) that uses a washed/plated bullet instead of a true jacketed bullet and it is loaded to lower velocities than most WMR ammo - kind of between WMR and WRF velocity wise.