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I have fallen prey to all the hype about the old/new again 6.5 Creedmoor. Been scouring the internet about that caliber along with the 260 Remington. I will be going to my local gun store later this week. They have a Thanksgiving weekend customer appreciation day coming up on the 25 the through the 27th of November. They usually have a Ruger factory rep, among other brand reps, on hand and the Rugers are on sale at good prices(30% Off new). Going to go a couple days early so I won't need to face the crowd, and know what I am looking for before sale day. This gun store moves a lot of firearms and he has the best prices around our area. For sure on the customer appreciation sale. With all my searching I am not real sure I am not going to purchase one of the well known calibers in 308, 270 or 30 06. My Weatherby Vanguard 06 was a real good rifle, and had the best trigger I have ever felt. My grandson, who I gave it too last Christmas, has fallen in love with it. He has researched the caliber all year and has made himself very knowledgeable on the 06 caliber. His dad has a 270. I will not be shooting over 200 to 300 yards, if I ever hunt again and know those calibers will not be the flash in the paints and fade in the future. From what I have gleaned, from my searching, is the 308 and 6.5 are somewhat comparable, with a slight edge to the 308 (Maybe), and the 270 and 06 are a bit better than the 260 or 6.5, which the Creedmoor sure is the favorite flavor for now. What is your thoughts on my choices? Tell me if my analysis is wrong, and why. If you were purchasing a new rifle now, what would it be? I have expressed my thoughts.

Thanks Dave.

Dave, Specialty Arms in Lavergne TN. The sale last all week. Haven't been down there lately but the guns will be marked down this Friday, but the cards say sale is 25-27. Researching the 260 Savage mentioned in this thread. Appears it is almost the same as the 6.5 Creedmoor. Edited to add; Got my notice, for the sale, in the mail yesterday. Never seen a model 11 Savage but have the mdl 110.

I purchased one in SS and gave it to my granddaughter last year. Good guns. Paid 300.00, in a pawn shop, for mine 5 years ago. The one I had was like new.

I also have a Taurus 3" brl 22 magnum revolver. Unless you shoot Speer Short Brl ammo in it, the revolver will not burn all the powder. Standing in front of a target at 5 yards, after firing the regular 22 Mag ammo you get unburned powder residue holes in the target. The revolver shoots a lot harder than a regular 22 lr.

Hozzie, I do not know anything about the 260 Remington. At $350. that is a good deal. I am not against the Savage brand, but do know a little about the Mdl 110. Thanks for the heads up, but just not interested in that caliber.

I have considered the Ruger American along with the Weatherby Vanguard. I had a Vanguard in 30 06 which I can reload. Gave it to my grandson(15 y o) who killed a large 8 point with it last year. Gave my Marlin 336 to the other hunting grandson(11 y o) in Charleston SC last year. I am currently out of a big rifle capable of taking deer. Mostly just shoot paper now with grandsons, and was looking at the 6.5 Creedmoor. Don't know if I will ever hunt again(may-be), but feel a big want for a good rifle capable of taking mid size deer around 100/200 yards. The $1,000 mark is a celling, and would be served even better around $500.00. That is why I have considered the Ruger and Weatherby. Not many Mossberg rifles locally, and lost my FFL dealer that I could get guns shipped through. He retired. My local gun store has a Thanksgiving Day customer appreciation days starting next week. They always have good prices on all their guns. He had a big selection of scoped Rugers. I like Lupehold(S?), Burros, and Vortec scopes on the lower end side in price. I am in the chase stages now and enjoying looking. Will take a bargain if I can find one, but plan to have one by spring. I have hunted with 243, 30 30, 270, 30 06 and 12 Ga, with rifled brl, slug gun. All were adequate. Told my 15 Y O grandson I was considering a 6.5 and he lit up like a bulb. Said he had been reading about them and all his buddies were also. The 15 Y O grandson is the one who I posted about getting burned. His Dr told him he was recouping so well he could deer hunt if he didn't scratches himself. He is elated and been chomping at the bit to get in his blind or tree stand. His mom said if dad went with him, they could this next weekend. The rut is starting this week around here in mid TN. Our pet doe, with 2 last years fawns, has been chased, the last 2 days, by a young 6 pointer. She lives in the woods behind our home. He has been in our back yard the last 3 days, at daylight, and several times per day. This has flung a large craving upon me. It is always fun to go on the search for a new gun, and I thought if I purchase one I just might try the Creedmoor. I know it has been out for a while and just became the new flavor of the day. I know it is supposed to be a paper target long range gun, but everyone is sure preaching that caliber. I will not walk away form a good rifle bargain though. It is 7:30 and I just heard a big rifle shot close by. Guess someone got one, hopefully. Just heard a follow up shot from the same direction. Oh-Well, Thanks for the advice, and comments guys.

I am thinking of purchasing a new deer rifle. Everyone is telling me to get a 6.5 Creedmoor. If you have any experience with the 6.5, please tell me why everyone is so stuck on the Creedmoor. I am an old school 06 kind of man. Weatherby Vanguard 2 is said to be guaranteed to hold 1" at 100 yards. Want to stay under $1,000.00 for rifle and scope. Also what scope would you purchase?

On a news story, I recently seen, they are not sure what kind of gun this perp used. Said it seemed to be some kind of home-made pistol that shot 45 ammo. Has anyone been able to know what gun was used in the shooting.

Prayer for peace, comfort, and mercy.

Biggest difference is in hunting. I once shot a 70 lb redbone hound, that was killing calves, with a 22 mag. Hit him, at 40 yards, in the chest as he was running toward me. He looked like a stovepipe afterwards. Big difference in power over the 22 LR. I have one that is scoped. Good gun for a limited purpose.

My 2 M P 9C 2.0's sure don't look like these pictures do!!!!

Great post Dave. Thanks Edited to add; I had a cousin there on Omaha. Most decorated man of WWII in Kentucky. He had 9 purple hearts. Claude Jack Reed was his name. I spoke at his funeral a few years ago. His wife told me he never had a good nights sleep, after he came home, unless he was medicated which he refused. He would sleep a couple hours, get up, and listen to the radio, and drink coffee. He was a good man. I worked at the Post Office and a co worker, whos husband worked at the local VA Hosp, and for all intents and purposes was a draft dodger hiding in college rather than getting drafted, said all those patients were just drug attics and drunkards. It infuriated me. I turned around and told her she had no Idea what she was talking about. I told her she couldn't imagine the things some of these men seen, and done to mankind, and as a result the daemons floating in some of these men's heads as a result. I told her not to judge them too harshly.

USAF 1966-1970 Basic, Lackland AFB, Navy See Bee School. Point Mugu/Port Hueneme California Survival/ Combat Training, Field 2, Eglin AFB, Florida Sent to Danang Vietnam July 1967- July 1968 Sewart AFB, in Smryna TN Last 7 months at Berkstrom AFB, Austin TX. Thanks for your service also!

Grandson developed a bad infection last week. Was taken beck to the hospital for further treatment, but got to come home yesterday on 2 kinds of antibiotics, and a new treatment regiment. His mom, and caregiver, is totally emotionally and physically exhausted. We have been helping her as much as possible, but my wife had hip replacement surgery yesterday. We think he picked up the infection from being in the hospital, initially.

I purchased a 1/4 drive socket set, from Lows, a couple months ago. I don't believe the Craftsman tools are as well built as older tools were.

Grandson went to the burn hospital today. Got an excellent report. The burn Dr said his face was healing great and his 3rd degree burns on his arms and neck will not require skin grafts, at this time. He cautioned them on infection and told them that they had to keep up his wound care and keep the 3rd degree burn areas as moist as possible. Also they needed to keep the burn areas covered at all times. He had a scare this morning. He had scratched the blood out of his arms, in his sleep last evening. Of course he is on pain meds and did not realize he was scratching so hard. The Dr told him/them the itching was normal and to cut his fingernails and put gloves on his hands to keep from scratching so hard at night. This was under his dressings that he did that. The dressings were still on his arms, but had blood on them. The Dr told them the itching was coming from the regeneration of damaged nerves, and the healing process around the burns themselves. We are delighted no skin grafts are needed and hope that continues. It takes his mother 2 hours to clean and recover the burn areas twice a day. He has made wonderful progress, the Dr said almost unbeliavible, considering the initial burns. Our prayers have been answered so thanks all of you who prayed for him and them. Most of all thank a "Loving God" for our great news. We are so encouraged and relieved. Got to be careful of infection, but every day that goes by the chances go down on that also. Mason asked him about the discoloration on his face, and the Dr was truthful with him. Told him it was going to take time for his coloration to come back, and that it may not come back completely, for sure in the most damaged areas. Being 15 he is worried about his looks and that is totally understandable. He explained it might take 2 years for them to recover completely, or as mush as the will. Dr told him his face will probably recover better than the 3rd degree burns and if his arms do have scaring, that he can wear long sleeve shirts. Told Mason he is a lucky child that most of the worst burns can be covered if he has areas of bad scars. Mason was a little disappointed but relieved that his face most likely will clear up in time. His mother said he was worried about going back to school.

When I trained new shooters I always started with a 22 Long Rifle Revolver, or sig semi auto pistol in 22 LR. I am a firm believer one needs to get the basics of shooting down before drifting into the higher power/ more recoil handguns. YMMV. My latest venture is in the MP 2.0 9C semi auto pistol. I have purchased 2. Am working them into my daily carry although am not leaving my 7 shot Taurus 357 mag pocket carry for now. I am still trying to convince myself my M P are reliable enough and I can shoot them well enough to bet my life on. My M P carry 15 rounds and are flatter than the revolver but are not pocket carry guns. Also working on practical carry gear for the M P's. Edited to add; I recently read a story about the church shooting, in Colorado, where Jene Assam stopped the shooter with her 9 MM Police carry pistol. She was a former Police Officer and was a Security Team Volunteer, at her church. The guy that was also on the Security Team, and leader of it, also arrived at the scene of the shooter and had to prepare to face a heavily armed shooter carrying an AR 15 rifle, and also a handgun. He prepared himself, behind cover, to intercept the shooter who was coming down the hallway. He said he looked at the guy, pulled his weapon, and then realized he was confronting a heavily armed shooter with a literal mouse gun. He had a Taurus tip up barrel 32 mini pistol. His pistol had a 1 7/8" brl, with 7 shots of 32 acp ammo. The thought flashed in his mind, how am I going to do this. Fear entered him with that realization. He told himself how stupid is this! Here I am supposed to be an intelligent man standing here facing a crazed determined shooter with not even a good rock. Fortunately Jene Assam appeared, in his sight line, coming from another adjoining hallway, just ahead of him, and intercepted and stopped the perp with her duty Glock service pistol( IMS, A Glock Mdl 17, 9MM that she was thoroughly trained with). The guy said to himself, "Never again, will I go to work with a gun that is very easy to carry, but is an inadequate mouse gun. I could not imagine standing in a hallway facing an AR 15 armed shooter with that gun. I actually purchased one of those guns(tip up brl 32) years ago. Didn't take me long to realize that thing would be practically useless in a real combat situation, and further more was not designed for that purpose. I want a substantial handgun, and would prefer a long gun, but realize that is not always possible, most times. I refuse to carry a small gun knowing how inadequate they are for combat. Small guns are designed to be get off me guns, hand to hand tools. At my age, and with my disabilities, I don't do hand to hand very effectively, any longer. Since this is your first gun, do train yourself. My best advice, carry a substantial weapon. Wont be easy to carry, but one can dress around the gun. Like the guy on the Security Team realized, much too late, you wont be so under gunned, "HOPEFULLY". You will have a tool "Possibly" up to the job. Then it will be up to your Training, and your ability with an appropriate size revolver or pistol. My recommendation is nothing smaller than 38 Spl or 9 MM. Your opinion might be different, and that is O K. I pocket carry a 7 shot 357 mag revolver. This may anger some, but it is fact.

Got a sale notice this morning, from Midway, on free shipping, and they are running a sale on 44 spl ammo. Usually their free shipping does not apply to ammo, however this morning it does. I ordered Sig Elite V-Crown 200 gr 18.29 for 20, Hornady Critical Defense 165 gr 23.50 per 20, Hornady Custom 180 gr 17.95 per 20, and Underweood 200 gr 44 spl I7.89 for 20 ammo this morning. Have plans to shoot all of them, along with the Speer God Dot 200 gr I ordered yesterday 24.00 per 20, into water jugs. When I get the ammo and time to test them I will post the results, if any are interested in water jug test. Got shootin-to-do. Happy, happy, happy!

Thanks for the well wishes and epically the prayers. He is a tough kid, but ,unfortunately, has a long road to healing completely ahead of him, as many know. His parents are scared of the pain meds, but they must be used in this case. He woke up trembling with pain one morning. Truly disheartening to see him go through this. He calls me every day.

Just placed an order for several boxes of Speer 200 gr 44 Spl Gold Dot HP ammo from S G Ammo. Around 24.00 per box of 20.

My 15 year old grandson was burned bad, last Saturday night. He and some of his friends, had a bonfire, as they had a tree go down in a recent storm. The boys lit a brush pile. Most of them were standing on a hay wagon, and Mason jumped off to throw some sticks in the fire. As he reacher over the end of the burn pile someone had thrown a half used can of spray paint in the pile that they did not know about. The paint can exploded as Mason leaned over the fire and set his shirt on fire. He had a pair of his dads flame retardant trousers on which saved his legs from burns. Little fella has been in the burn unit at Vandserbilt Hospitall in Nashville, however he has been home now for a couple days. He has severe burns on both arms, hands, fingers and head and neck. I think they figured 14% of his body was burned. Guys, it is rough. My wife goes over and helps our daughter dress his burns daily. He goes back to Vanderbilt on Monday to see if they are doing his wound care well enough to keep him home. He is in terrible pain and it is hard for me to watch them replace the bandages. They fear 3rd degree burns on his arms and hands. Time will tell. They told him it will be 6 months to a year for him to heal providing he gets no infections.

Thanks Greyfox. I am partial to Gold Dots and will try and find some 200 gr soon. Just never fired any 44 spl and am going down that road as I can't shoot much 44 mag any longer.

I have a SW 629 44 mag I don't shoot much any more. I was wondering if anyone has any good recommendation, in 44 Spl, for self defense purposes, or house gun? I don't reload 44 spl so need factory ammo suggestions.

I Just finished reading a book written and published in 2019, by Robert A Waters, and his son Sim Waters. It is a story of 23 self defense cases, over the time period of 2005 to 2016. The reason given for it not being later than 2016 is it takes several months/years to get the full and complete story about criminal cases and do the research on them. All of these cases were where the citizen used a gun to successfully defend his life with a satisfactory ending. What amazes me about everyone of these cases is how extreme these fights are to be able to survive the encounter. I mean when one is in a fight for your life, one usually starts behind the curve and has to react to aggression immediately. In most of these cases, there was a time lapse, on the victims part, to get into a defensive mindset, and come to the conclusion, hey! I need to be fighting for my life here. It appears to me that that one fact gets these 23 people into a life death struggle very fast. In fairness to the book, one account was a concealed carrier coming up on a traffic stop gone really bad. Unlike the numerous people watching the beat down, this guy acted. That citizen never hesitated to do his best to stop the perp from beating the young officer to death with his hands. The downed officer begged the citizen to end the fight. He was successful, but it took 3 shots from a 40 caliber handgun before the perp relented, and later passed. They all were not like the movies, guys. It was a good read and very informative about the 23 crime stories of survival with firearms.