crashgordan

so, again, i read this thread, like all the others, with interest. Why even use the word GUN!?!?!? pull over. windows down interior lights on hands on the wheel be polite Yes Officer, my wallet is in my (blank). is it ok for me to retrieve it. (wait for response) OPTIONAL: I am licensed to carry concealed or i have a concealed carry permit and I am carrying... what are your instructions. relax put DL back in wallet and thank nice officer for his grace in not writing you a ticket. i've been stopped so many times... i've tried it both ways. i nearly always deserve to be pulled over and i am not a dick about it. so far, i am the recipient of tons of grace as my job tends to keep me in a hurry.

try Slip2000 products... SLiP2000â„¢ - Official Site amazing stuff. don't know the formula and all that, but my experience is very positive. DOD seems to like it as well and they have a contract with the DOD. There are so many good products out there indeed. this one is somewhat unique in that it is non petrolium based. it DOES NOT cook off... being the skeptic that i am, i repeated the test they refer to in their website. SLiP2000â„¢ - Testimonials My experience was identical to theirs: after running identical guns hard and hot and putting up dirty, after 90 days, the CLP gun was inoperable (100%locked up) and had to be disassembled (rammed open and surfaces were rusted from no protection) the SLIP2000 EWL gun opened, and ran flawlessly and wiped clean. I repeated this side by side test with numerous other top o the line lubes (i did not use any non-gun products however, but think it would be interesting... HEY! somebody do this... i don't have time right now) round count, ROF, and ammo manufacturer were identical in every test. I also tested the same batch of lubes for saltwater corrosion protection on standard high carbon cold rolled steel stock. the steel was stripped and then each oil applied to a test area. the steel was misted with a typical seawater salt solution and allowed to air dry. the stock was placed in a covered area, outside for exposure to ambient temp and humidity (30 day test averages: 73 degrees F, and 85% humidity) for thirty days (summer in the southeast!) Rust appeared on all product test zones. SLIP2000 EWL had the least and was the easiest to wipe off. Others faired well. Many of the hotshot products did not. WD40 sucked. This test was not a test of anything except corrosion resistence. no heat was applied to the test plate. nor did this test account for the age of each product since produced. each one was simply pulled off the shelf. I did not photograph the test and all my notes are somewhere packed after the move... if i find them i'll post them. if not, maybe i can repeat it sometime. i've tried a ton of different lubes, and i'm sure there is an absolute "best" or one that excells in the important areas, but until i or someone can objectively test them all for a multitude of virtues including durability/lubricity/corrosion resistance/thermal stability/etc..., opinion and personal experience is all any of us have. I find the friction test posted earlier interesting: Gun Oil Tests and while the test was performed nearly 10 years ago, it proves that in a wet state, WD40 was the slickest as evidenced by having the lowest angle of elevation for it to move on the test track (15 deg.) Meaningful to the gun owner?? not really. i still wouldn't use it on a firearm. all of this is fascinating stuff and this entire discourse is, of course, just my experience, and my humble opinion... I'm very interested in what others have done to test products. Seat of the pants is cool, and the proof in the pudding works too, but objective testing with control groups in place is most interesting to me... crash~

Sweet. thanks for the post. are you located in the United States? the CRKT MT is a great blade... thinkin i need another.

have the S&W AR15-22. love it. it allows me to shoot while my kids shoot and train on the cheep. very accurate, "Match" barrel, and seems to eat everything i feed it. and i'm cheep. if it was just me and the kids didn't love it so much, i'd probably go in this order of preference: Spikes dedicated upper Spikes .22 bolt conversion S&W AR 15-22

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Adamoxtwo: Hey, thanks so much for the PM, and writing back... I tried to send you a PM, but it keeps kicking it back. sorry. so i don't tie up a great thing, i hope its ok to write you here. I totally understand the points you mentioned, and appreciate your gracious offer. that said, I will pass. (feel free to write me if you'd like the details) Understand, i'm a CCW holder and work for the govt. Oddly enough, i trust my fellow Tennesseean far more than I do my employer. shocking, i'm sure. the lowers look very cool. if #3, #7, #13 or #21 back out, i might have to reconsider. Thanks for writing back... sincerely, crash~

interesting thread... i've got both... have years of time on DI systems, and like many have said they can run filthy. i have a test mule with +10K rounds, never cleaned, never malfx. Nasty dirty. I recently began running a Adams midlength system. The jury is still out as i've not gotten near the 10K mark yet, but i can tell you, there is no comparison when it comes to cleaning. none. I can run the gun hard and pull the BCG out of it and hold it in my hand. and although i'm 6K into this one, it's still basically clean and showing no signs of lug wear or carrier tilt. the problem, as i see it is not so much the gun ***ting where it eats, carbon and hot gas has to go somewhere, and it does in both. However, in the DI, it's dumped into an area that, by all accounts, needs lube. mix the carbon and lube and get 'mud'. Cook off the lube after 500 or so round (unless you are smart enough to use SLIP2000 - there is nothing better) and the mud gets hard. The carbon and hot gas in the pison are all out front, out of the action and mixing with very little lube, and s***ting in very few moving part. the piston moves very little, unlike the DI bolt/gas key/rings/extractor/ejector/locking lugs/ and all the moving parts that keep the DI system running. I love me both. Certainly, running a piston mule has not caused me to sell all my DI systems, won't happen. and yes, the Piston is driving the bolt and lugs very differently, and not the way they were designed, and this is the only downside i can find. There's a reason systems like the the FAL and AK run forever... loose tolerance and keeping the heat and carbon out of the action. just my thoughts...

so, i just stumbled on this, after many days at work. hate i missed it!! let me know if anything opens up!

Incredibly, AGAIN, i am schedule to be out of town. SHEESH. so... how much begging would it take to get this class back again... don't care when, just again.

S&W is the better choice of the two... really.

if you've got a little to spend, try this: POF-USA Patriot Ordnance Factory, Inc. this is an incredibly accurate, 1/2 min gut. even the PDW SBR version will shoot sub MOA... spendy, but incredible.

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nice. thanks

OhShoot is right on. Great guns, but due to very tight tolerances, need some break in. and after you've run 200 or so to break it in, DEFINITELY run a hundred of your selected carry round through it. DO NOT TRUST IT TO RUN any round unless you have actually tested it with that selected round. It'll run ball ammo no problem and will be challenged by certain hollow point ammo. just be sure it likes what you want to carry. (on a side note, i polished my feed ramp with FLITZ polish and a dremel polishing wheel. Now it's mirror slick and runs pretty much anything i want) now running the Hornady Critical Defense and am very happy and confident in it's ability. Long and heavy, but smooth trigger, but this is by design and I prefer it. it will only get sweeter with time. I also agree with trying to get some range time on one. It will help you know you've got the right one. (if you lived closer, you could run mine. have several different variations and calibers of the P/PM.) Don't have the CW, but agree with above that you don't really give up anything critical. Love mine, and they are great for IWB. they disappears in the Galco USA holster. Hope you love it, and keep us posted! Not to distract you, but if you don't fall in love with the Kahr, there are other options out there that are compact and have interchangeable backstraps for hand size: XDm, S&W M&P, Beretta PX4 Storm, etc, and I believe all come in compact/subcompact variations. I have not personal experience w/ the S&W or the PX4, but those who do, seem to love them. (S&W's are getting pretty close to your price point) My experience w/ the XD and XDm is pretty extensive and I have found that men and women who shoot them, tend to like them very much. The XDm allows a lot of flexibility for hand size along with some other upgrades... and of course, this is all simply my humble opinion. YMMV.

Agree with above with this thought: I also have the tru-glo and, to my knowlege there is nothing brighter (daytime) or more versatile out there. it's great for range and would be a good choice for HD. That being said, just by the nature of the design and in my experience, there is an increase risk of some types of failures. My experience may be one in a million, but when running this sight in a EDC gun and running that gun hard in training, the fiberoptic tube did break out of the front sight. The tritium insert remained intact and bright, i'm sure the manufacter would have taken care of it but it was not hard to repair with a new piece of FO. Understand the sight remained on the gun, and useable. so here's my take: It is NOT a ditch fighting sight or a EOTWAWKI sight. This IS a great sight for 90% of the time for EDC, and certainly 100% of the time for the range. (YMMV) just my 0.2 cents...

Taurus 1911. amazing pistol. should be three times the price.

LCR w/ crimson trace. light. reliable. effective w/ the right ammo. no safety/no fumbling, the ultimate point and click tool.

love mine... i'm trying to wear it out. off a bag with a HWS, I can hit tennis balls and coke cans all day long at 75 yds. w/ better ammo, no problem out to 100 yds. i have the early version, and it did indeed KB and fired out of battery. Sent it back to S&W, they turned it around repaired w/ a free extra mag in 1 week. I assume it has the better springs now. at any rate, no problems since, and that's several thousand rounds ago. It's truly a pleasure to shoot. the trigger is pretty crappy compared to my duty rifle, but it's pretty standard for rack grade single stage AR. Easy to upgrade FCG and stock, and a breeze to clean and service. very happy! recommend everyone get one!

ok... all good feedback. i'll play: IF you stumble across a Sig Trailside, give it a look. it is made by Hammerli Pros: sweet sweet gun to shoot. one of the sweetest .22 triggers i've ever run. deadly accurate. Perhaps the most accurate .22 pistol i've ever run. easy to strip and clean. about a 5 out of 10 on the "picky" about ammo scale, and get's better with time. feels amazing in my hands... excellent ergonomics. Cons: Spendy. between $350-400. but i'd snap one up for $350. not "bet you ass reliable" Pretty good, but it's no Glock. Mags are spendy and hard to find There's some out there that have found theirs not as reliable as others. This example is very good. and truly is the sweetest .22 handgun i've ever run...

I was going to comment along w/ JAB, and he beat me to it. Revolver is the ultimate 'point and click' interface. along with all the points he made, in the worse case scenario consider that your spouse may need to or have to use it. Sadly mine isn't interested in training with anything, but i have a fair amount of confidence that anyone (her included) could 'point and click' a revolver with no prior training at contact range with some effect. much less unlikely with a semi, and particularly one with a manual safety of any kind. 'just point it at/press against the BG and keep pressing the trigger until he stops or the gun stops' just mho...

thanks for the recipe! using Slik2000. amazing stuff. all of it.

pics?

+1 for spikes... ST-15 Mid-Length LE Carbine [sTR5LE2] - $809.95 : Spikes Tactical Helluva deal...

200 lbs, 5ft10in. carry a full size 45 IWB very easily. Often carry a full size HK USP 45 IWB, and have no trouble covering. have the XD45sc and the P45. love the Kahr line. the P45 is really ideal for me if i'm trying to go thin...

yep... or someone at ArmorSource pissed off someone important.