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[quote name='RobertNashville' timestamp='1353445599' post='848866'] Why am I suspicious of a "first ever post" by a person extolling that the sky if falling but there is no citations/sources provided??? [/quote] I didn't want to be the one to say it. The election sent a lot of interesting people this way.

[quote name='AK Guy' timestamp='1353042951' post='846395'] In the USPS defense, the fed takes any and all of their profit and puts it in the general fund. A fairly good example of how government runs things. Take from the makers to give to the takers then blame the makers. [/quote] I never thought that I would agree with a takers/makers comment, but that what it boils down to and there is no way in hell that the government is giving that money back.

2006 Congress mandated that the usps prefund retirement...blame Congress

[quote name='mcurrier' timestamp='1353022713' post='846235'] LOL. You're house can get termites and that will pass too. You won't have a house left if you do nothing, but, hey...it [i]will[/i] pass. Interestingly, I keep reading letters and emails from people who escaped [u]to[/u] the United States from countries like Cuba, Russia, Poland, Nazi Germany, etc. They say that what they see going on scares them to death and mirrors what went on in those countries when people were saying that it was no big deal. Those of us old enough to have lived history remember what happened, unlike many who can only read whitewashed versions of history. I fear for my country, but I guess I can know that I lived during the pinnacle of the United States and was personally there to witness her greatness. Glad I'm not very younyOug and have to live 60-80 more years if people think everything will just fix itself. Have fun with that. I often fantasize what it would be like if you had a time machine and could go back to 1938 and warn people about Hitler, or any other pre-war era. I always come to the same conclusion that it wouldn't work. People back then tried to warn others, they were laughed to scorn, so why would they listen to the guy with the time machine? They wouldn't. [/quote]

[quote name='gregintenn' timestamp='1353019952' post='846218'] I remember the world was going to end new year's 2000, when Bush was elected, etc. It isn't good, but this too will pass. [/quote] Yep

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1352999069' post='846095'] I think the voting will be just as hard, next time, but with this Benghazi and Fast and Furious starting to rattle the administration, we may see a different side of the One, soon. His community organizing won't be as easily able to overcome a mob of voters demanding and watching over everyone's shoulder. I think if the fix is in during 2014, there will be some serious problems starting up with him. With a different Senate, he could very easily get impeached. He made a bad calculation with his statement about Ms. Rice when he said to back off her and come after him. There are a lot of folks willing to "come after him", right now. There will be a lot of people watching in 2014. Sour grapes is one thing, but civil unrest should be dealt with, first by the ballot, then with the couIrts before everything else. I think all this secession talk will go away, but it is a sign of how upset people are with our government these days. [/quote] Well said!

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1352988329' post='846024'] We need to see how the legitimate voting goes in 2014. [/quote] That's the bottom line. Anythings else looks and smells like EXTREMELY sour grapes.

[quote name='Batman' timestamp='1352873070' post='845325'] What do you call the people that are willing to look the other way while it happens? [/quote] Republican and democrat representatives and the people who voted for them.

[quote name='10-Ring' timestamp='1352867551' post='845295'] Recently tried Crocs for the first time, I love them, super light and comfortable to wear all day. I really have nothing bad to say except they are pretty cold on chilly days. [/quote] I've worn them for years, but only around the house.

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1352866255' post='845277'] That's almost what we have now. [/quote] It's pretty dang close.

[quote name='mcurrier' timestamp='1352865279' post='845258'] You have been implying that Republicans are wanting to "raise hell", but that is just not the case, there is not one shred of evidence pointing to that, it just doesn't exist. Trying to lump Republicans in with the like of Democrats who have actually called for violence just doesn't work. If you are going to defend the USA and the Constitution as you stated in the opening post, I can tell you now that you won't be defending them from Republicans. [/quote] I don't support either major party and I don't care what party that the wanna be hooligans support. I just don't want to see Americans fighting Americans over something that can be solved with a vote. You can choose To defend the republican party even after they continually fail you. The Republican and Democrat parties are both slime. There is no pride in belonging to either one. Do what you want to do with Obama supporters that threaten violence. No skin lost here.

[quote name='Raoul' timestamp='1352862950' post='845223'] reminds me of a guy I went to high school with. He once jacked up the back end of an AMC Gremlin with 2x4's. Pulled up in front of the HS and poured a gallon of bleach under the car and then floored it. It spun the back tires and made a big cloud of smoke. Then the bleach burned up and the back tires bit into the asphalt...shattered the 2x4's and broke both back shocks. He had to drive home in reverse. [/quote] That's hilarious.

Looks like big fun.

[quote name='Glenn' timestamp='1352858814' post='845163'] Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers . [/quote] Good one, but you forgot to add that a Ineptocracy generally occurs after a once great country has been lead into a bogus war, burned thru a surplus and starts snooping on it's citizens.

[quote name='CCI' timestamp='1352855776' post='845129'] I'm looking forward to the next thirty! Those are mine, they belong to me! [/quote] That's what I'm planning. I may join some of you all in E. Tennessee if the wife doesn't drag me to Florida.

[quote name='mcurrier' timestamp='1352844417' post='845041'] Then you [i]are[/i] saying that Republicans/Conservatives/TEA Partyists are the ones making such claims and threats as you perceive it. I would like to see where that is occurring. Au contraire my friend, but it was, and still is, liberals and blacks making serious and [url="http://twitchy.com/2012/11/02/as-election-day-nears-obama-supporters-step-up-riot-threats/"]well documented[/url] threats of riots, assassinations and other mayhem if Romney were to win and 0bama were to lose. They [url="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/multiple-twitter-users-threaten-to-assassinate-mitt-romney-shoot-him-dead/"]publicly posted[/url] these on Twitter and Facebook and other social media. I see NO SUCH THREATS from Republicans/Conservatives/TEA Partyists, nor have any riots taken place, nor any other mayhem. If you are basing your sole argument on symbolic petitions of secession, your blowing in the wind. The so-called victorious party is the violent and divisive one. Your argument holds no water. [b] Thousands Of Shocking Threats Of Violence By Obama Supporters On The Eve Of The Election[/b] http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/thousands-of-shocking-threats-of-violence-by-obama-supporters-on-the-eve-of-the-election (article was originally on MensNewsDaily.com but has now been scrubbed from the web) [/quote] I'm not attempting to carry water, blow or piss in the wind. Republicans or democrats, whoever wants to raise hell because they do not get their way is just being childish. Stupidity has no party or color.

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1352841185' post='844996'] With all the regulations being spit out by the administration, we may not have many choices when we run out of "other peoples' money". I don't want to see civil unrest any more than any of you, but the time will come if we don't fix our problem with a solid vote of rejection of what we're getting. I would love to see that vote come around, soon. And I don't care if it isn't from the Republican Party, just solid. [/quote] I can agree with this. Party should never be important in my opinion.

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1352840948' post='844991'] I don't think I was around here, then, but I was against it, all along. It was a gift to both parties to "rule" us for some feel good times. It was wrong then and still is. Good enough? [/quote] Good enough.

[quote name='crimsonaudio' timestamp='1352840578' post='844984'] Where were all you guys who are so pissed about losing your rights when the Patriot Act was enacted (or the three further authorizations)? I'm no Obama-apologist, but it strikes me as odd that none of this 'liberty or death' talk was heard when Bush was in office. [/quote] Yep! I have a problem with both republicans and democrats. When the government is out of line, call them on it regardless of party. Silence when your guy is in charge is part of the problem. I continue to hope that guys are just venting.

[quote name='mcurrier' timestamp='1352839696' post='844974'] Not sure where you're coming from, I can only infer which group you are attempting to speak to, but... if Romney had won there would have already been riots in the streets, looting, violence perpetrated on caucasians and more. Already. It would be past tense or still be ongoing. Since 0bama "won", things are relatively calm and peaceful. That's because the group that "lost" is the more mature, reasonable, cautious group, the group that acts with honor and abides by the law, regardless of the circumstances. So I'm not sure which group you are saying that are "[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Wanting to destroy OUR country because you didn't get your way in a election is STUPID!" I don't hear anyone talking about that. The side that "won" will do a plenty good job of destroying the country as it is.[/font][/color] [/quote] I am not choosing sides. The actions that have been mentioned would be just as stupid if Obama and his crew were the ones threatening them.

[quote name='Chucktshoes' timestamp='1352838244' post='844957'] Though we seem to be on the opposite side of the larger issue, I agree with this statement. They are ideas that aren't just casually floated, but who says there is anything casual about this discussion of these topics? The constitution that you, me and many others here swore that oath to defend isn't just about our current administration, or any administration over our history. It is about the ideas of freedom and personal liberty. It was written to protect those ideals and for the people to be able to retain them. The US government lost it's way before our grandparents were born. At this point I truly believe the government to be an enemy of the people of this nation and the constitution we swore an oath to defend. The only way to save the latter, is to destroy to former as reformation is impossible at this point. I could be completely wrong. Maybe in a few years the people and the states will rise up and peacefully reclaim what was stolen from them by the socialist central planners on both sides of the aisle in DC. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it. [/quote] Well put. I agree that the government lost it's way long ago. I am not a fan of our government in it's current form, but I still hold out hope that it can be changed in a peaceful manner. I'm hoping that people are just venting and in a few months we can get to work choosing candidates that will do the will of the people. I said in another thread that I admire how the Tea Party struck fear in politicians. I'm hoping that everyone will take that template and use it as a means of affecting the change that they want.

[quote name='Spots' timestamp='1352836888' post='844936'] It has nothing to do with being a sore loser, hell I don't even like Romney. It has to do with watching the current regime strip away rights as quickly and quietly as they can while people stand by. Would Romney have been a better choice? I don't know. I do know Obama has proven he cares nothing about constitutional rights and will sneak, and slide, and push things through anyway he can, including being the first President to ever make buying something from a third party mandatory. In 4 years this will be may still be The United States of America. But it'll never be the same one again. [/quote] I won't argue for Obama. I'm not a fan. I believe that he has an agenda, but I don't believe that it is the destruction of our country. Your argument about Obamacare is valid. What I would like to know is did you stand up when the government implemented the patriot act, or when the SCOTUS decided that millionaires could attempt to influence the outcome of elections and more? Government and politicians suck. The people are always under attack from the government and politicians. As someone mentioned earlier you try to change it with the vote. If we are already screwed, I see no reason why we can't try to rectify the situation in four years instead of talking about taking actions that would put us in a bigger stinking mess than we are already in and certainly last more than four years with greater repercussions.

[quote name='QuietDan' timestamp='1352835892' post='844925'] Be very careful you know the true facts before you "pick sides." For all you know, as opposed to what you feel, the side you are advocating for may in fact be the "domestic enemy" you say you are sworn to oppose. What if you are wrong? Will you kill yourself? I doubt it. We all went through this 150 years ago and it was a stinking mess. [/quote] Yes, it was a stinking mess. That's why it is so puzzling to hear people talking about doing it again. Civil unrest and secession aren't just ideas that you casually float around.

[quote name='Spots' timestamp='1352835628' post='844922'] Screw it, I'm posting A lot of people that took that same oath believe the current regime to be a domestic threat. Just letting you know that there's people, including vets, that would push that issue both ways. I'm recently discharged, and I can tell you a lot of newer vets, as well as active duty, won't obey unlawful orders from a corrupt Socialist Regime. Funny thing is they called Washington and all the other founding fathers terrorist, traitors and worse. Remember history is written by the victor of the battle. [/quote] No one is standing up for the administration or regime as you call it. It's about not wanting another civil war because a bunch of sore losers got their panties in a wad. I would be willing to wager you that we will still be The United States of America in four years and no state is leaving.

Waiting for my vehicle to be serviced and Fast Times At Ridgemont high is on the television. Man, you get busy raising a family and life puts on a turbo booster.