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Good point.

I'll agree with that. I'll agree with your statement about past behavior as long as we look at both individuals past.

Seems that we are all in agreement.

Spots, I apologize! I simply take great offense when any American attempts to protray themselves as a victim.

Yeah, everyone knows that the white Christian male is the most oppressed individual on the face of the earth. Someone always has their foot on that individuals neck. Some of you guys are worse than the Sharpton/Jackson crowd.

You make good points sir. Parents should do everything possible to raise their children to be good citizens. I have been rewarded with good students and a lifetime of memories. My wife and I have bent over backwards to achieve such a goal, but as evidenced by the language that I have discovered on one of my kids Facebook accounts you would swear that my child had been raised by savages. In short, regardless how we raise our kids it doesn't mean that it will always be reflected when they are out in public. Young peoples actions are not always a product of bad parenting, but of bad decision making.

That's how I see it.

This is what most people are over looking. How far do you have to run from a stranger following you? What if Martin were a women who knew that she would eventually be caught and over powered? At some point, if you feel that you can't get away you must confront the threat. I've been in a similar situation where my fight or flight response took over. I fought and disengaged until I could get assistance. One more thing. A lot of people are attempting to apply adult logic to Martins actions. I have a very bright young man who may be attending an Ivy League university in the near future, but sometimes he leaves me perplexed by his thought process. No matter how big, strong, smart or fast they are young people are not always equipped to make the right decisions. Yes, there are exceptions as evidenced the the thousands of us who have been in combat during our teenaged years. Some are fast to point out Martins eminent future as a thug, yet fail to mention Zimmermans actions as a flawed adult with several run ins with the law. As I have mentioned before, this case is not about what Zimmerman and Martin were or aspired to be. This case is solely about the actions of two individuals who crossed paths on a tragic Florida evening.

I can't believe anyone still buys from them.

WTG! Les Baer pistols are my favorite.

I'll be watching. Good show!

Yep. They board a plane in the Middle East dressed in traditional garb and exit the plane in New York dressed like Vegas pimps and whores. Sort of like the transformation that Christians make between saturday night and 11am on sundays, but only in reverse.

Makes sense. This is the best post that I have read on this subject in the last year. You can bet that when politians get involved, the outcome is all about them.

It will be a good trial to follow.

Almost like we've been waiting on a thread like this one.

It's that potent mixture of canned iced tea and Skittles that sends them over the edge. He couldn't resist going on a crime spree. Zimmerman may have prevented a massacre.

I'm not speaking about the media. I'm speaking of the discussion that friends are having on TGO. We should be able to voice our opinions without playing the race card. There are enough people doing that elsewhere.

Excellent observation.

You make a good point Robert, but Zimmerman's primary responsibility as a member of a watch group is to observe and report. Zimmerman set this entire death spiral into play when he did anything except call the authorities and tell them which direction the suspicious person was headed, what he was wearing and he was doing.

It appears to me me that you the only person reeatedly concentrating on race as if Martin deserved to die simply for being black. Many of these gentlemen have made reasoned arguments both pro and con for what they believe happened in this case. Your best augument approaches theres no way Martin wasn't up to something because he was black. This isn't a racial issue. This case is about will a family man spend the rest of his life in jail for a justified shooting or was a young man gunned down because the "fit the decription".

Steven is a good man. We need more like him. If I lived in the area he would get my business.

That's beautiful. Enjoy every moment with her because the time goes fast. I'm dreading next year when my last two kids prepare to leave for college.

Not once have I said anything about color or race. Every opinion that I have given was based upon my belief that Zimmerman took his position as a watch captain a bit too seriously. I would feel the same way if Martin were your kid. What you said was juvenile. It didn't offend me, but on the other hand maybe I should have expected that from you. I'm willing to give teens a little leeway because they still have time to change their lives and become productive citizens unlike some older folk who think that their sh*t never stank. If any of you parents are naive enough to think that in this day and age your teen doesn't have some thug glamour shots or some photos of other questionable behavior floating around the internet you are only fooling yourself. Based upon reports Martin was no angel, but he had a right to be walking down that street and he had no burglary tools on his person. Had the captain allowed the real authorities to do what the taxpayers pay them to do his behind wouldn't have been in the slammer for the last year.

I can't believe that came from an adult. Your kid must have hacked your account.

All of my opinions are based on my miniscule amount of law enforcement knowledge. After Zimmerman lost sight of Martin the best thing for him to have done would be to tell law enforcement the general direction that he last saw Martin heading. I hear people in these threads say "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". Zimmerman started the game and may win the ultimate prize.