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Prior to tuesday I never posted anywhere except the sell/trade section. Too many experts in the threads for me.

The thread where the weenie cursed me before the ban hammer is gone and another concerning C Products is locked. Go figure.

Arfcom was the only place that we could track down Larry. Chad and Larry stopped responding to us on the 6.8forum. You could also find some very good trades in the trade section. I was never interested in the threads.

Har! Will it fit my 6.8 rifle?

It was my first group buy and I am now convinced of that.

That does not bother me as much as the sound effects and watching someone on t.v. ride the slide forward on their pistol for dramatic effect.

Looks like a Eotech reticle in the first picture.

Watching Justified and Human target is like guy night for me and my son after homework.

The wife has me watching teen mom2. It's like scared straight for the twins.

I believe, but I hope that they don't exist. It would be something else that I will have to compete against to keep my job if the owner of a ufo decides to immigrate.

I dvr just about everything. I can't stand commercials.

I hope is passes, but it will do me little good. Uncle Sam will not allow it.

I don't care to have anything to do with them or the new company.

I will never do another group buy.

Don't forget Barretts. I am still banned, but I was just checking the site and found this next to my name: <Removed. Please keep all posts in the technical forums polite, businesslike, and on topic. ––tbk1> The ugly comments from the mod were still visible. Really businesslike, polite and on topic .

2-7-11 from the group leader Thank you guys for the support. I have been racking my brain on how to get the money. But it was a lump sum sent to them. I am just as sick as you guys are and to top it off. I am out over $200 in this. I had the biggest order along with two other people . Plus all the rest. Hopefully it will work out. I figure that the new company if they are bought out will honor the deal. I am optimistically holding out for this. I am glad I jumped in on a group buy for Magpuls last week as well. I will also keep bugging them and see if I can get any answers. 2-8-11 team member I think that was directed at CProducts based on their prior dealings, notably the absence of price gouging during the election year surge. Things do tend to be more civil here, even at its worse. I hate to keep posting what is said in the other thread, but I know not everyone frequents that site and it isn't like we are getting the information direct from the source here. So...from ARFcom @ 8:02 (east) this morning I understand the concerns. No one will be affected by the sale. The magazines ordered will be shipped as promised. The negoiations have been tough. The new owner is very passionate about the company and I believe he will make it better. Just give us alittle more time to finish this. I promise no one will be disappointed. Larry 2-8-11 team member They were "promised" last year. Then came my comments and the ban.

1-30-11 from me I will never do another group buy. This was my first experience and it has left a bad taste in my mouth. I think paying a few more dollars will be worth it to avoid the aggravation. When we were told that things were going slowly but some of us would see them before Christmas that was fine, but this has gotten to the point of being irresponsible. I have yet to fire a round thru my rifle because I was waiting on these magazines. I will purchase some mags from Barrett, but I will not spend another penny on C-products. 1-30-11 team member What bothers me is he was very prompt at returning my e-mails and even said I would get mine first. I said No, run down the list by who is next. He wrote back and said he had plenty coming in to suffice.Then I wrote one last time, I think Tuesday. and haven't heard from him since. 2-1-11 team members Chad, would it help if I said forget the tan and just give me all in black? no reply in weeks by now Received from CProd 3 minutes ago: This is Barry Bergen the Owner/Managing Member of C Products. Please let me assure you and everyone else in the group buy that this is totally legit. Yes we have run into a problem, however not with production as that is now proceeding full bore. Our problem is that our company server crashed and we are in a scramble to get back on line and recover our information. I am assured by our IT folks this will be completed by weeks end. Please do all you can to spread the word that this will be corrected and everyone who ordered will indeed get their order. We cant apologize enough to all out there that have gotten caught in this glitch. We will be contacting everyone by weeks end with a game plan to get caught up. Again please feel free to post this apology or spread the word as you feel fit to do. Thanks to all who might read this for your patience. Its nice to have an update. The last time I heard from CProducts was 1/17/2011 and was told 1 week until I had them. Three emails after that (unanswered) no mags. Sorry they had problems with equipment, venders, and computers. But I am sure thier fingers were not broken they sould have responded back. Its the polite thing to do. Let me say that I never thought it was not legit. I was just concerned over the lack of communication concerning the delay. I am a very patient person as long as I am kept informed as to why I need to be patient. I am glad to see that we have some communication from C-prod about what is happening. I am sorry to hear that their servers crashed it is a nightmare and I have been there a few times myself 2-6-11 team member Honestly I am getting pretty fed up with C-Products... Nobody from C-products has taken the time to post here in over 3 weeks. The best we got was a generic mass email...I keep hearing excuse after excuse. I am expecting 15-25 round mags... If I don't have at the very least a tracking number saying they are on the way to me by the end of the month, I will be saying F**-it and take the steps necessary to get my money back.... If that happens C-products would be hard pressed to ever get any of my money again. 2-7-11 team member I hope that I am wrong and that it will work out. But some signs I see like, off the Ar15 board, out of stock with vendors, Multi emails and phone calls to them and nothing. F on the Ct. BBB site. Multi excuses on different web sites. I know some here have recieved their mags however those were the 5, 10 round count mags. In my opion stock on the shelfs. I got a friend to get in on this group buy, its looking I am going to have to cover his loss. They would not return my messages from customer service, but if I order a new mag I got them. I was placed on hold and told that the 6.8 mags are being made and some will be done by next week. ( Shara I believe ) If this was the case why can't Larry or Chad post this here for us. 2-7-11 team member Chad left his email as Chad@cproductsllc.com in a previous post. With that, I left him an email, I left him a message on his phone line at the office... and then sent an email to Barry (assuming the same email format applied) and cc'd Chad. Those were done today. No reply before close of business. I believe Chad has already proven to us that his word is worthless.At some point in time he knew the shop was closing or being sold,yet he continued too lead us on as though everything was fine,just some minor setbacks,soon to be rectified.....that is,if this part of the tangled tale is even true.the only thing I believe IS true is that Chad lied to us. I would be happy with just a brief update. I realize, if they have changes going on, info might be short, but would be nice to hear something. This is my first 'Group Buy', so, I am not sure exactly what to expect. I am keeping an open mind about it, but will think a bit before joining another group buy. It has been almost 4 months since I sent the USPS MO. Again, I realize S happens. But dang, this 'buy' is getting a little long in the tooth.

This was posted on 12-13-10 Guys, anyone who ordered black magazines, the orders will begin shipping tomorrow and should all ship within the next two weeks. Those who ordered tan magazines, it will be closer to 3-4 weeks before your order arrives. I apologize for the delay its just a long process to get them done as they have to be coated in black first. Anyone with questions do not hesitate to contact me direct. chad@cproductsllc.com 12-28-10 from the guy that started the buy...he is a good guy I would bet from the holidays and the weather has delayed the shipments some. Some have gotten them so far some havent. I know the money went through and the orders. i would just be patient guys. I have been in group buys before that I forgot I was in. LOL!!! I dont think this will be that bad. It is just a bad time of year to be ordering things. 12-29-10 From company rep Thanks for everyone's patience with these, those who ordered 5 and 10rd 6.8's only, your order should have shipped. USPS has been real slow with shipments recently, taking as much as 10 days to deliver some. The 25rd 6.8's are in production now, call me Scrooge but I hate the holiday season as many of my suppliers are not working full weeks or even full days around this time of year and it really delays things. You guys are 1st on the priority list and as soon as they are finished your orders will ship first. If anyone has any questions about their shipment, email me at chad@cproductsllc.com and I will check on it for you. If I don't get right back to you right away just be patient, I promise I will respond the same day. Chad 1-7-11 from forum member It's been almost a month since the '3-4 more weeks for tan mags' update.......any news? 1-10-11 forum member Hey guys, I e-mailed Chad this past week and he said they had a problem with the 25 round mag stamping die.Being in manufacturing when a die breaks it either does minor damage or its fubared. He told me to contact him if I haven't received mine by the end of the week. 1-16-11 from a team member I got this on the 29th. "I am just waiting for the 25rd 6.8’s for your order, they should be ready by mid next week. Chad Panka/Sales Manager Executive Director for International, Law Enforcement and Military Sales C Products, LLC" I guess it is money long gone. I am glad I only ordered 4 mags. Last edited by Team Helotes; 01-16-2011 at 05:19 PM . 1-17-11 Team member Update today from Chad. Rick I am sorry I am expecting the 25rd 6.8’s back today from coating, tomorrow worst case. I will make sure your order ships first. Chad Panka/Sales Manager My reply Back to Chad: Thanks for the update Chad. Don’t ship mine first though. Go down the list as they came into James. All the other guys have waited too. Thanks for putting this together for us. 1-19-11 company rep Guys, I am truly sorry for how long this has taken for those who either ordered the 25rd 6.8's in black or tan, it was really not intended to take this long. I have large OEM's who are waiting on orders for thousands of 25rd 6.8's but believe me when I tell you that your orders will go out first. To anyone who has ordered the magazines in tan and do not care about the color and would rather just have the black please email me and I will change your order, as the tan mags are going to be 2-3 weeks out as they have to be coated fully black before they can be sent for tan. Once again guys I am truly sorry for how long this has taken, my patience is growing very thin at this point with my coaters. (after a major issue with my tooling that cost me a couple weeks my coaters have delayed this project even more) chad@cproductslllc.com Chad 1-27-11 team member Has anyone heard if the black 25 round magazines have shipped YET???? This is really getting a little long with all the excuses. I still want my 10 mags, but come on. I own several businesses and know that crap happens. But, not like this. 1-27-11 team member Hey guys, Just an update. I did not here back from Chad today. Hopefully tomorrow. I don't know if this is proper and the moderators can take this post down or just the link to what I'm posting. They may consider it "political" but I consider it paramount. With the problems C-prod has had fulfilling our orders I would like to Invite C-prod to stand by their customers in this group buy and offer us the same price on another group buy for high cap ONLY magazines to ONLY the people currently on the list. With the impending legislation coming down the tube,and being in a manufacturing engineering environment, they will have the die's running wide open to beat the deadline, as far as manufacturing date, to beat any impending legislation. If James doesn't want to handle the influx of orders, James, I will surely step up and take the torch. At this point it has become just a simple matter of principle. SM 1-30-11 team members I emailed Chad 2X NO RESPONCE. Just a little ticked off over this I emailed Chad a few weeks ago, changed my order to all black so as to get them quicker, and haven't seen or heard anything since. Starting to wonder if I will ever get the mags. Is there a means of getting a refund on this group buy?

I just received some PRI mags in the mail yesturday. I know that they will be good to go.

We did the group buy with C Products. They sold the company to a unknown buyer today.

He typed like he was the toughest guy on the internet. He should have closed the thread if he did not want his buddy to be called out.

I sent a email to the mod and the arfcom staff saying as much. The mod behaved as if I had taken money and was ignoring the the customer.

I doubt that we will get the mags. The arfcom mod is trully the one who is without class. His response was so ugly that it made me laugh.

The one and only. I got banned once for bumping a thread. I am not a trouble maker. Maybe the mod was having a bad day. It happens. I had a mod here mistakenly ban me briefly because he thought that I was fighting with another mod when I was agreeing with him. The big difference is that our mod here was very understanding and quickly reversed the ban.

I always tip well. Just like when selling something I try to give more than I receive. I found myself waiting tables briefly after leaving the army and that is some very busy work because you usually do way more than just waiting tables. I would also help to lock the place up just to get another five dollars. My standard tip is 20%, more if I can get it past the wife. Sometimes the service is not so great, but I have been in their shoes and most days suck working in a resturant. Church people were the worst. They would eat up everything, complain about everything and then leave a one dollar tip for a table of six. I always tip at Sonic also because those kids bust their humps with very few workers at certain hours.