leroy

This oughtta be alright. Like ya said, warm, but ok. I've loaded n shot plenty of em with hard cast bullets at 5,3 grains of Unique... About the same thing velocity wise im thinkin. As one of other Brothers opined, it could just be the long bullet jump in the 357 cylinder causin an occasional flyer. That one makes lotsa sense ta me. Ya might load a handfull of these loads in 357 brass ta see if the keyholin still shows up, if ya are really curious about the cause. If it does, the hornady slugs may be a bit too soft for the load... leroy.

I understand... If ya dont mind, let me know what the load recipe is. Thanks. leroy

Just thinkin a bit, if the load is a bit hot, the bullets may be strippin the rifling a bit. Have ya miked the bullets..?.. They ought ta mike .358 or .359... If they are a bit less, they may not be upsetting n sealin the bore well... That sometimes happens with light loads too... Just thinkin out loud a bit... leroy

Interesting... The slugs maybe a bit too soft... leroy...

Longer barrel... Mo velocity... leroy...

How long a target distance..? Over 50 yards it ain't uncommon with headquarters... Leroy...

For that range, i would buy the best barrel i could afford and a good free float handguard... Truth be known, a the trigger may mean more than a " great " barrel at that range. We used to shoot the turnbolt guns quite a bit... Rem 222 and 223... The cartridge is plenty accurate... The trigger n barrel means somethin at that range... leroy...

I love shotguns Brother..! But shotguns is pretty much shotguns... Flavors, colors, n shapes may vary; but they are all pretty much the same... I'm a confirmed " riot gun " junkie, and keep one by the bed... Browning BPS... Havin said all that, i do like the current crop of " baby shotguns " with pistola grips... Would like a 20 gage for truck use... Im thinkin the " ultimate riot gun " is a semiauto of any flavor; but barrel length seems ta give em problems... Evidently 20 inch bbls are the ragged edge for the most of em for reliability n non destruction from hammering parts.. I like the 18 inch or less models, n think 14 is the ultimate, but Uncle Sam dont like em... Would like ta try a Mossberg... The fancy 3 gun semis are just too high priced for my stingy tastes... Besides, ive got a Browning A500 recoil operated model with a 22 inch slug barrel that works well n looks great... Im pretty much ready to repel boarders at the ole homestead... " Riot Gun " leroy... The Browning man...

Amen... We are praying for all ya'll... The sick, those affected by the tornados... All of us.. Amen.... leroy

All of us firearms folks need to calm down a bit and remember that we are not the " firearms police "... We are armed citizens with an interest in firearms for protection and sport... The " firearms police " and the likes of some elements of the TFA are filling that role quite well in my view... We need this bill to pass... Stop the quibbling about the details. This is the first sensible forward move we've seen Tennessee legislature toward true constitutional carry since the civil war. Finally, Remember this:... "... You are responsible for you... Not the police, not the gubt, not your neighbor, not your language parsing political bill nitpickers and wannabes, not the firearms training subculture and its denizens... You..."... That is all... leroy.

I noticed this one too... Very interesting... leroy...

What Mr Moped said..! I'm thinkin about one of these myself... I like the 40 S&W idea... leroy

What Mr Greg said... Leave the plus " P " for the steel framed guns. leroy

Q... I had forgotten about the gas checks... They help with the leading, but its hard ta get the casting guys ta make em... Ya might Google " leadheads bullets "... He used ta cast some great stuff... We used lots of his bullets in all flavors, as im too old n lazy ta cast myself when we were shooting alot... If ya can find em. Speer used ta make some half jacket dead soft lead bullets that worked pretty well, but they were expensive and time may have passed em by... We shot the 140 grain 357 by the hundreds in the long ago thru our 357s. leroy

Q.... I'm kinda late to the party, but ill add my experience in on this one... We regularly load 158 grain LSCWC 38 special loads with 5.3 to 5.5 grains of unique with anybody's brass and std primers, and secure em with a heavy roll crimp... They will do about 900 to 950 fps out of our smith steel frame snubbies and be!oved ruger single actions. They shoot well, buck hard (.. In the stubbies... Not so much in the rugers...), but do not expand for the simple reason they are hard n they ain't goin fast enough... I'm thinkin ya are drillin a dry hole tryin to get expansion with these bullets n loads. I don't think the old FBI load expanded either... As others have stated, Speer n Hornady used to make soft swaged LSWCS. We tried them too, but the lead is too soft for velocities over about 800 fps... The old time loading manuals (..70s n 80 s..) cautioned against usin em for anything other than target velocities... Driving em hard just leads the barrel, ruins accuracy, and makes a mess. All that bein said, the LSWC is a great bullet, ya just can't get em to expand... Check out luckygunner labs for some good info on 38 special loads. Ya might want ta look on the leadboolets forum as well. Hope this helps a bit. leroy

peej has spoken a " Great Truth " here... Rifles is rifles (... Think 200 yds out...)... Pistols and pistol carbines is shorter... Settle this issue in your mind first... My take is to carry a good pistol and a good rifle... That bein said, ya need to pick the flavor. I tend to like the turnbolt " Scout Rifles " ALA Jeff Cooper and Ruger... Its always hard to beat a 308, abeit Brother Dave's AR10 or a bolt gun... Again, you pick the flavor... Nothin beats a real marksman at long range... Nothin beats a 308 to about 800 yards or so... 800 yards is a real long way here in Tennessee. Heres hopin this helps. leroy

asu... I like this idea alot...I handled one the other day a d then did some reading about it... Im thinkin that overall, the CMMG is the best of the best as to design, manufacture, n pricepoint... Lotsa dollars for what it is though. leroy

Dave... Have ya seen these? https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/sights/rear-sights/sight-rear-adjustable-prod22960.aspx Glock cut, but they might be worth lookin at for the price. leroy

Yup... Im thinkin this is the carbine i want ... I really like the setup and the ruger idea on the action... Now for an AR pistola... leroy

I understand. Remember the words of a great ( ...and unknown to me, at least...) Indian (...The "real" Indians from India...) philosopher on this very subject... He said: " It comes right down to this - There are two types of people in the world: Those who want to be free and those who want to be told what to think n do "... I think he wuz dead right... leroy

Omega makes a great point RE: " Today's legal bein tomorrow's Illegal "... To pontificate a bit more; i think us "Mericans", and the civilized world (... Think Europe here...) are gonna get more n more free - as opposed to more enslaved.. The authoritorian, grandfatherly, " we know best " of the " best and brightest among us " movement is almost dead most everywhere; even Britain, where folks have been " Subjects " and not " Citizens " for millennia ... The "populist" thing is everywhere as a pushback to this tyranny... As long as there is an internet and folks toting cel phones and other communicating gizmos, we will continue to become more free because of the instantaneous communications, wealth of information ( and some disinformation HEHEHE ), etc... As my 30 year old is wont ta say: "... The most powerful thing on earth aint submarines n H bombs; it's the internet..."... I think he is right... Thank you, Al Gore, for inventing it..! HEHEHE. In summary, these pistolas being deemed " illegal " are pretty low on my list, but I understand the concern... leroy.

I understand..! I understand the thinkin n experiences here... I agree that these little beasties are pretty well useless without a stock; plus today's legal is tomorrow's illegal. After thinkin a bit, I'm kinda leanin toward the long barrel pistol or 16 inch carbine thing... I'm liking the Ruger PC thing more n more... Pistols could be commin right behind their carbine I'm thinkin. Thanks a bunch Brother for the insightful comments. leroy

I understand... They look great... Have ya looked at the CMMG stuff..? They look great too... Additionally, there is somebody whose name escapes me that makes a " delayed locking bolt " action, plus other caliber options like 40SW and 10 MM... leroy

After reading a bit more n thinkin about how these things work; I am being more convinced that the Ruger action n approach may just be the simplest and soundest approach to the PCC thing... Not to mention the best price. I like the short bolt n weight idea a lot... It's simple, and is a " takedown " ta boot... Take the stock off, add a sling and grip, and it starts looking a lot like the " real " 9 mm shooter; the smeisser... HEHEHE... leroy

I've shot lotsa rifles in my time... The greatest one I ever held or shot was an Anchultz 22 Hornet sporter... I'm thinkin the Steyrs are in the same league... Good luck with the " mania " Brother.. I can't wait ta hear about the " Range Report "..! leroy...