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HvyMtl and OS:________________ I think it's a pretty easy task to get others to join your opinons RE: Political corruption and change. We can all agree on that. The question then becomes "...how will political change be effected that will restore the idealistic values of limited government, less corruption (...i dont believe you will ever remove it all, we are human. ...), return to the principles outlined in the Constitution (...without the nuanced baloney of 'tailoring" it as a "living document"...), capitalism, Individual responsibility (...for success or failure...), destruction of the "nanny state" and the "social hammock" in which the lazy rest, sensible foreign policy (...more akin to minding our own business, and less "protecting of "stratigic interests"...), retreat from socialist policies, etc -- on and on. We've heard lots of opinion on "why we're concerned" and some "it wont work"; how do you think this should be handled? I aint tryin to beat either one of ya up; I genuinely interested in what you think should be done. Remember, the election of Andrew Jackson: Jackson's election was the direct result of folks getting mad about a bunch of "ruling elites" doing something they (... the voter...) didnt like. I think that is what is happening with the Tea Party today. Remember what the great Ambrose Bierce quipped: "....There are four boxes protecting the United States, the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box. ..."). We all need to hope and pray that the first two "boxes" work. By the way: Smith's observations are "dead on". Here they are again: The discussion of "what the present government is more like" is largely an academic exercise, and is largely irrevellant except to us political junkies. The fact is that the current "Nobama-Pelosi-Demorat" administration is authoritorian in nature, contemptuous of freedom, socialist leaning, anti-capitalist in nature, over-reaching into the private sector (...GM and health care to name two...), too cozy with the banking houses, over-regulating, ---on and on --- and more and more people dont like it. I count this 'Tea Party" and "voter revolt" a good thing --- its the first and second "boxes' that Bierce referred to in action. Always remember this: ----The real important thing (...in my mind, at least...) is fixing what's wrong with the present crop of socialist trash currently in charge; by removing their majority and ultimately making them politically irrevelant. I think that is exactly what is happening with the Tea Party, increased Libertarianism, and the 2010 mid-terms. Let's hope (...and pray...) it continues. Food for thought. Leroy

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I think there are some issues arising in the thread that need to be discussed further. I always like it when us regular folks think on important thoughts. HvyMtl appears to be making a couple of thought provoking points. They appear to be: "Are we facilitating corruption and the status quo by voting for the lesser of two evils; and thereby facilitating the continuation of the "current corrupt state" and selling out our collective virtue by doing so?...." "Has the Tea Party sold out by allowing some GOP'ers to hang on and be part of the process? After all; didnt we want to vote 'em all out?..." RE: The first question. I believe that folks have long been "ruled against their will" by the " elite ruling class" (...both demorat and republican...). The majority of folks chose to tolerate a moderate amount of discomfort in hopes that it would somehow get better. That didn't happen; thats why we have seen the Tea Party become so popular. Folks simply got tired of what is going on. I think that is a good thing. It was a gradual process, pushed over the edge by the radicalism of the Demorat party, the election of a radical socialist as president, and a failure of the opposition party to do anything other than be polititians. Why not take HvyMtls's purist point of view that postulates that the minute that a polititian does anything you dont like, throw him out! --- Which, by the way, I think is a great idea....? The answer, as great as it sounds and attractive as it is that; it's unworkable in our two party system. If you quit politics the minute a polititian does something you dont like, you wont stay active in politics too long. That becomes a problem over time, because when you quit, the more radical and base among us dont; and they eventually become the majority. That is exactly what has happened with the Demorats. Take a look at todays Demorat party; it is a far cry from the party of Harry Truman. Moral of this little dissertation. You can't afford to quit politics the minute a polititian does something you dont like. Regarding the "collective virtue". Most polititians well know they can get away with a certain amount of "rascalism" if they dont offend too many of their constituents. The real polititians hone this ability to a fine art. If you are around politics very long using our two party system; you need to be prepared to be sold out and offended, because it will happen sooner or later. There aint no "collective virtue"; there is only "individual virtue". In my view, not voting is, in effect, pacifism; i dont see pacifism as a virtue. I liken it more to the old "...i'll take my ball and go home..." fit of the childish. It sounds pretty good, but doesnt work out in the long run; because the no counts always win with that option. The other solution is the "anarchist" solution; shoot or otherwise remove those you dont agree with. I see that one as a non starter too. RE: The second question. "...the Tea Party has sold out because it allowed some GOP'ers to join its ranks. Let's throw 'em all out...". Make no mistake, i like the 'throw 'em all out" idea on a personal basis. I think it sends the right message. The Tea Party movement just doesnt have enough support to do that yet. I believe that it soon will have however. All polititians in the GOP have been sent a clear message for the most part. The message is "...we're watching, be careful what you do...."; and that's ok with me. I think that it is inevitable that some elements of the GOP will try to "push back", i just dont see 'em being very effective at it in the long run. Like i've said before; i believe that some of these GOP politicos (....like Karl Rove, for example...) better make up with the Tea Party, or they will find themselves suddenly unemployed. I think it's a bit early to say the Tea Party has "sold out". The Tea Party movement back toward smaller government and libertarian values is just getting started. It's beginning to clean up a mess that started with Woodrow Wilson in 1914. It will take a long time to straighten it up. I understand the frustration, though; i'd like to see it move faster myself. RE: The Nazi analogy is a fair one. Not in detail, but in overall approach. The Nazis were authoritarian. So are the present crop of ruling elite Demorats and their enablers. More like Stalin and the Soviets than the Germans. And, by the way, ...No, the government aint going to turn this place into a captive state. We are still armed. They are, however, trying to make us poorer and working mightily to make us all serfs. Libertarian Political Operative Leroy (...still armed...)

Glad to answer these: This happened in 2002. Campaigned against Alexander here in ET; supported Bryant. Bryant is a good guy. Check this out: Ed Bryant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaBryant wasn't as politically connected as Alexander (...nor Corker...). In my opinion; he is a much better man than both of them. Sadly, he simply didnt have the resources and name recognition the other two did. Bob Clement ran against Alexander that year. I voted against Clement. That, by the way, was a vote for the "lesser of two evils"; a common practice for lots of folks in elections who see voting as a clear responsibility. RE: Didn't vote for Rangle, and dont like him. He is, in my view, a great picture of all that's wrong with the Demorat party, politics in general, and lots of things above the Mason-Dixon Line. I could care less if they barbecue him. Rangle was ratty enough that his own party threw him under the bus. If that sorry bunch of trash thought he had done bad things; it's a slam dunk that he did. And yeah; i was extremely hard on him. I made a value judgement, and thought the derision was well warranted. By the way, Rangle aint a Republican. By the way, after thinking a bit, i think Mosinon is exactly right in all his points. The "political insiders" in both parties have went after some of the Tea Party folks with a vengence. My problem is that the first real "scorched earth" politicing i ever saw happened in Tennessee in 1978. Leroy

HvyMtl:_____________ I believe this is "over the top" rhetoric: I dont remember being "for corruption"; I doubt that you can find anyone here that is. You seem to be confusing "another view" with blind partisanism; it aint the same thing. You might want to take a baby aspirin and tone the rhetoric down a bit; this aint a courtroom. I figure my point is a valid one. In my view, folks need to be worried about these "scorched earth" prosecutions far more than the "corruption" they purport to clean up. It is the most heinous "abuse of political power" because it uses the power of the court to punish enemies. I'm not nearly enamored of those who practice law as some of others are here. I think "legal jihadists" are far more dangerous than the politicos you seem to be so contemptuous of. While we are having this frank little discussion; I would remind you that all court offficers are, in fact, political operatives. I challenge you to find one that isn't. The sad fact is that many of these "legal political operatives" are appointed; not duly elected by popular vote. If ya start assigning "relative lowness and rattiness" to these guys; my assessment is that they are a notch or two below the politicos. Piling on Delay is ok. Putting words in my mouth by innuendo and verbal gymnastics aint ok. Leroy

Dont entirely disagree with the first sentence. Do disagree with the second. I'm not taking up for any of them (...especially the long timers...); i'm simply pointing out what i think is going on and amassing a pretty good pile of evidence to substantiate it. I would be the last to confer any "sainthood" on any politico that is a long time member of any political body; but i believe there are some folks out there that are NOT ELECTED or elected at the state and local level in the prosecutorial and judicial ranks that are running wild; and i see that as a very bad thing --- much worse than the legislative mischief; because it can be directed at anyone they dont agree with (...as the great Elwood Blues said; "you, me --them..") using police power. Remember this little caveat: There is, indeed, a "political class" that seeks as it's duty the ruling of the "unwashed multitudes" (...like us...). The problem is that politics has become a "scorched earth" business and there are politicos that will use every tool in their toolbox to go after their oponents, including criminal prosecutions; and that is a relatively new thing. The "scorched earth" policy is a bad one in my view. It smacks of the old soviet "show trials" and hurts some folks who are clearly innocent. Leroy

Great stuff!! Reafirms the individual right to bear arms. Thanks for posting this neat piece. Keep up the good work. leroy

Great idea!!! Leroy

Lest we dare to think that all this is not politically motivated; check these two links out: The first is the Ronnie Earl entry: Ronnie Earle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The present prosecuting attorney in Travis county (....a heavily Demorat county...) is Ms Rosemary Lehmberg. My guess is that the jury pool is heavily demorat too; what da ya think? Check this out: Tom DeLay's trial will be in Travis County, Texas - CNN Right here is what the demorats are really going after Delay for: Link here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101124/ap_on_re_us/us_delay_trial_32 Food for thought. Leroy

I'll give y'all a little bit to think about. My take on all this is that it is, in deed, a political reprisal; but ill temper all of what i have to say with a caveat that most all long-time politicians get get a bit "ratty" and corrupt; and that works on both sides of the aisle. Several years ago, the state of tennessee had a gubernatorial candidate by the name of Lamar Alexander who founded his considerable political career running against the "crooked" policies of a sitting Democrat governor by the name of Ray Blanton. Alexander was well connected with polititians himself and was a pretty formidable power in east tennessee politics ----- an "insider" himself, similar to those he ralled against. His opponent was a powerful east tennessee businessman named Jake Butcher. Alexander won the election for governor in 1978, and immeditately instituted a "scorched earth" policy thru state prosecutions against his political opponents . He purged the state of tennessee of "fatcat" democrats who had backed Butcher in the gubernatorial election. He used the full power of the state of tennessee and influence with the feds to criminally prosecute many of them. Make no mistake; there are enough laws on the books so it's easy to find one that public men have broken (...most of them intentionally...). Alexander's actions decimated the large demorat donors in the middle and west areas of tennessee; while leaving unscathed those who were doing the same thing for the republicans. I put Delay's conviction in the same catagory as those against the old time democrats right here in tennessee and the prosecution of "Scooter" Libby. It just shows how powerful some of the political forces are in this country when you accompany it with the "jihadism" that some politically motivated folks feel in the legal and prosecutorial fraternity (...who, by the way, are all political operatives..). In my view; that's the most dangerous thing out there. There could be a day when these "jhadist" take a look at little guys (....like gunowners and hunters for example...). The moral of this little dissertation; don't be to happy or smug about the "alleged triumph of justice" in the case of Tom Delay by the texas court system. I'ts most likely politically motivated and far from just. Remember, with the right cricumstances it can come to a location near you. Food for thought. Leroy

I'll take four (4). Let us know where to send the dollars. Leroy

Glad to pass the info along Steve. Mabee some other members will chime in on their experience. I wish you wuz closer and i could give ya some. The stuff reminds me of a very mild smelling neatsfoot oil (...if that makes sense..); about the same consistency. It works good on the wood grips and stocks too. Regards, Leroy

This one probably aint. Is it the "Spallation Neutron Source" at ORNL. Check this one out: China Spallation Neutron Source I do believe in these. Leroy

I like it!! Real vintage firepower!!! Keep up the good work. Leroy

Thanks; i love the animation for the google search. Now that i remember, i like it; looks like the euroweenies got stuck with this one. My guess (...since this aint defense establishment related stuff...) is that nothing will come of the research other than the general fleecing of whomever put up the euros and the "welfare' that will result to the euroweenie "scientists" studying the "collisions". I say "pooey" to the likelyhood of anything meaningful comming from the hadron collider. Kind like SETI here in the good ole USA. Unbelieving Leroy

As others have asked; "...whats a haydron and why do we want to collide with it?...." Curious Leroy

I like it!! Where do we sign up? Leroy

Steve:_____________ Some things ya might want to think about with Balistol. We use Balistol on our percussion revolvers and other pieces (...revolvers and hammer shotguns...) that we shoot black powder thru. Balistol "appears to be" (...i dont know for sure...) some sort of water based or "water loving" vegetable type oil. It has no petroleum component, and that's why the blackpowder guys like it. We always cleaned our blackpowder shooters with an equal mix of water, methyl alcohol, windex (...without ammonia...) and some folks add drugstore hydrogen peroxide. This mix simply melts the fouling away IF (...and only IF...) no petroleum type cleaners are present in the barrel or cylinder of the blackpowder piece. For this application, we always used Balistol to oil the barrel and cylinder down after we cleaned and dried it down very well. We always wiped the outside of the piece down with some sort of synthetic water displacing lube ---like CLP --(...all with good results...). After doing this for a while, i noticed that from time to time we would get flash rust in areas where we didnt take real care to wipe down; a good example is the muzzle crown of the percussion pistols. Flash rust would form which i think is due to the apparent fact that Balistol will stay EXACTLY where ya put it. It doesnt tend to creep and it is not moisture displacing. Having said all this, Balistol works great in blackpowder barrels and cylinders; i aint so sure it's a good idea for anything else. Most modern synthetic oils are "moisture displacing" which is a very desirable trait for a gun lubricant and preservative. The bottom line of this rambling little epistle. Watch out how you apply Balistol and watch it closely for moisture and signs of flash rust. Hope this helps. Leroy

I agree. We've burned a bunch of 8.5 to 9 grains of unique with the 240 and up hard cast bullets. They work very well. Leroy

I'm interested in several. They are a great idea. Let us know. Leroy

We did; it works fine for jacketed bullets. Leroy

Plus one to Glockster's post RE: Alliant 2400 with cast bullets. It's hard to beat in the 357/41/44 mag. with cast bullets. Hope this helps. Leroy

Me too. I think it's neat that the parts came from our fellow opiners; a very special thing i think. Keep up the good work. Leroy

All:_______________ Check this out for HD: Cimarron Model 1897 12 Gauge Pump Action, $480 It's a 20 inch Cimmaron copy of the old Winchester 1897 Hammer type pump; the original "trench sweeper". Model 97's are my favorite pump shotgun. They are made in china; but i bet they are the real thing. We have used 2 or 3 cimmaron percussion revolvers extensively. They are well finished, tough, and accurate. Couldn't resist!! Bunches of CAS shooters cant be wrong on this one!!! Leroy